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comedyblissoption posted:the democratic party and the capitalists that run it are just republicans who are (now mostly) okay with gay marriage and abortions Yeah it sucks, I was mostly talking about the voters themselves. Republican voters unironically believe that letting billionaires run everything is cool and good, which is at complete odds with the morals you're supposed to learn from religion. Democratic voters are generally less cool with the idea, especially the younger ones. I don't know anyone on the left under the age of 35 who thinks that capitalism works or is remotely ethical, I can't say the same for republicans. Elderbean has issued a correction as of 02:02 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Truga posted:yeah, i got incredibly lucky in that i slacked off enough in elementary school to not get into a "good" high school like my parents wanted and instead got shoved into a technical one that had low enough requirements for me to get in. it was a classic high school program, but had a bunch of extra programming, systems, and electronics classes. i learned a shitton in those years i'd have never picked up on my own. In my school experience the idea of going to a technical college instead of university was considered a failure on the part of the student. Even other students were under the impression that trades people were just dumb failures who couldn't cut it. If you looked like you were going to fail they would ignore you and try and sweep the situation under the rug. I remember going with my mother to see the deputy principal because of low marks in 10th grade, she said 'What can we do to help TMF get into university?' he laughed and said 'He's never going to university. Speak to a careers advisor.' I ended up doing network admin courses, and now people are more willing to hire me than unviersity graduates, because the programs I did involved hands on work with server equipment. TheMostFrench has issued a correction as of 02:48 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Elderbean posted:Yeah it sucks, I was mostly talking about the voters themselves. Republican voters unironically believe that letting billionaires run everything is cool and good, which is at complete odds with the morals you're supposed to learn from religion. Democratic voters are generally less cool with the idea, especially the younger ones. I don't know anyone on the left under the age of 35 who thinks that capitalism works or is remotely ethical, I can't say the same for republicans. The Democrats want things that will be good for the long-term stability of capitalism rather than the gently caress YOU, GOT MINE MAKE OBSCENE PROFITS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE Republicans. So Democrats want there to be an educated working class with living wages to keep being good workers and consumers. They want a planet that still has natural resources to exploit, and people who are alive to exploit it. They're willing to throw the poors a few bones in the name of not having riots in the streets. Bad for business you know. That's also why the Democrats keep the drones going on the brown people. The military-industrial complex is good business, and the US has interests to look after. Republicans just invest in prison companies and arms manufacturers and security tech and say gently caress the poors, bring it on. Trump is an interesting case because he's not a Republican, really. He doesn't give a poo poo about the long-term national interest or the military-industrial complex or anything else. He doesn't even give a poo poo about the rich. All of his decisions are aimed at gratifying himself or getting praise from his fucknugget base. It's not about money, it's about his ego.
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T-man posted:I went democrat to socialist to communist to anarchist and I'm eagerly awaiting whatever's next in my eternal battle to have no friends. posting!
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Imagined posted:Trump is an interesting case because he's not a Republican, really. He doesn't give a poo poo about the long-term national interest or the military-industrial complex or anything else. He doesn't even give a poo poo about the rich. All of his decisions are aimed at gratifying himself or getting praise from his fucknugget base. It's not about money, it's about his ego. cheeto benito
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Imagined posted:Trump is an interesting case because he's not a Republican, really. He doesn't give a poo poo about the long-term national interest or the military-industrial complex or anything else. He doesn't even give a poo poo about the rich. All of his decisions are aimed at gratifying himself or getting praise from his fucknugget base. It's not about money, it's about his ego. This owns
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Imagined posted:
No Republican has cared about these things in my 40 years of life. Sometimes they pretend they do. Usually they dont even bother with that.
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Elderbean posted:Yeah it sucks, I was mostly talking about the voters themselves. Republican voters unironically believe that letting billionaires run everything is cool and good, which is at complete odds with the morals you're supposed to learn from religion. Democratic voters are generally less cool with the idea, especially the younger ones. I don't know anyone on the left under the age of 35 who thinks that capitalism works or is remotely ethical, I can't say the same for republicans. Sadly I know many people my age and younger that are still hardcore bootlickers. And many many more beyond that that may agree on economic issues, but are more concerned about sjw boogeymen than economic problems that will actually affect their lives. I'm starting to think Obama in '08 was a fluke and my generation is not much closer to solving any problems than Phil Collins's was in 1986.
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The Republicans are a death cult. Their answer to everything that's ruining the world is "You're not doing it enough."TheMostFrench posted:In my school experience the idea of going to a technical college instead of university was considered a failure on the part of the student. Even other students were under the impression that trades people were just dumb failures who couldn't cut it. Middle-class liberals assuage their guilt over the plight of the poor by saying that education is the answer. Of course, the last loving thing any parent hanging on to the upper-middle-class for dear life actually wants is for millions of poor people to get a college education and compete with their kids for jobs. So they love vocational training as a prescription for the ills of the working class because their kids are sure as poo poo never going to pursue a career as a plumber or mason.
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Bodyholes posted:Sadly I know many people my age and younger that are still hardcore bootlickers. It it helps, poo poo look at how okay and commonplace it is to talk straight like "communism will win capitalism is evil." I wear an ushanka with a hammer and sickle on it and get compliments (usually from kitchen staff lol). That kinda poo poo alone would have probably got you hella ostracized if not arrested in decades past. Yeah they control the media but at the same time it is easier than ever to educate and get the message out. You can find basically everything almost every socialist of note ever wrote in minutes. In the past just distributing pamphlets to a few dozen was worthy of getting harassed. Communism/socialism will win. It's billions of people vs a few thousand. The question is can we save ourselves before the climate puts us in a permanent pre industrial fuckshow age. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 05:02 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Moridin920 posted:The question is can we save ourselves before the climate puts us in a permanent pre industrial fuckshow age. Of course not. Too many people will be acting in the interest of their future selves where they are both smarter and richer to rise up against the class that's taking now because they know there's no future where anyone makes it out alive.
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Frog Act posted:in many ways, this is a problem too, because so many people in STEM regard the humanities as frivolous hobbies that are only worthwhile insofar as they're a fun pursuit to do after work, like videogames. I have a master's degree in history and I've lost count of the number of people who "love history" because they've read "Band of Brothers" but feel nothing but contempt for people who work in the field, because they believe working in the humanities is like playing videogames and thus doesn't make people suffer severely enough to merit compensation. so they think its fair someone with a background in the humanities should get paid a pittance or be forced to acquire second and third degrees in irrelevant fields because they're not doing "real work", like IT guys and coders do thats all part of the plan to create dumb slaves T-man posted:I went democrat to socialist to communist to anarchist and I'm eagerly awaiting whatever's next in my eternal battle to have no friends. i'll be ur friend 
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Taking any biology/ecology class is depressing as gently caress. Modern conveniences and industrialized agriculture have distanced people from how loving brutal and uncomprimising nature is. When you go to a grocery store and buy food that was grown hundreds of miles away it just feels like magic and no one actually thinks about how their life is entirely dependent on a stable ecosystem. Environmentalism has been branded as for hippies even though our food supply is fragile and the potential of millions starving to death is still a reality. In a sane world the stability of the environment would be priority number one but we live in hell dimension so SJWs ruining videogames is what galvanizes young men with disposable incomes and free time. Like it's loving astounding how shortsighted climate change deniers are. I was going back and forth with one a while ago and his argument came down to "What do I care if parts of new York are underwater, its not the end of the world." I argued that millions of people fleeing inland as their homes cease to have value would turbofuck the economy and he said he hadn't considered that. Really? Basic critical thinking? Christ. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be a denier too. They'll often argue that climate scientists are just lying to get grant money. That argument isn't inherently dishonest, any rational person will question where the money is coming from when it comes to research. It becomes dishonest with deniers because they totally ignore the massive global oil industry and all the poo poo it's done for money. I'm supposed to distrust scientists because they might be lying to get money but the oil and coal industires are honest because? Elderbean has issued a correction as of 06:28 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Literally the entire mission of the EPA is to conserve an environment that is conducive to human life. The EPA doesn’t ask “what can we do for the trees?” The EPA asks “what can the trees do for us?”, and if the answer is “they can do more for us in situ than as paper”, only then might the EPA be interested in conserving them.
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Frog Act posted:so they think its fair someone with a background in the humanities should get paid a pittance or be forced to acquire second and third degrees in irrelevant fields because they're not doing "real work", like IT guys and coders do Tell them they're a total sucker for getting a piss easy degree like CS and doing "real work" instead of coasting on the least amount of effort you can put in and keep your job while still somehow pulling in 6 figures. Software development is by far one of the most trivially easy jobs in the universe compared to how much you get paid to do it, if they think it's "real work" they're probably volunteering to put in 80 hours a week like a moron for no real additional benefit. I mean gently caress pretty much every "unskilled" job I can think of, from McDonalds cook to garbage man, involves more work, more effort and more dealing with whiny entitled assholes in a single week than I've done in my entire career and it's a goddamn crime they're making minimum wage for it.
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Moridin920 posted:It it helps, poo poo look at how okay and commonplace it is to talk straight like "communism will win capitalism is evil." I wear an ushanka with a hammer and sickle on it and get compliments (usually from kitchen staff lol). That kinda poo poo alone would have probably got you hella ostracized if not arrested in decades past. It still would in my part of the country  Elderbean posted:Taking any biology/ecology class is depressing as gently caress. Modern conveniences and industrialized agriculture have distanced people from how loving brutal and uncomprimising nature is. When you go to a grocery store and buy food that was grown hundreds of miles away it just feels like magic and no one actually thinks about how their life is entirely dependent on a stable ecosystem. Environmentalism has been branded as for hippies even though our food supply is fragile and the potential of millions starving to death is still a reality. In a sane world the stability of the environment would be priority number one but we live in hell dimension so SJWs ruining videogames is what galvanizes young men with disposable incomes and free time. My favorite fun factoid is the few scientists who are repeatedly trotted out as climate change skeptics are, by complete coincidence I'm sure, the exact same people who were trotted out to say smoking doesn't cause cancer. Like literally the same specific people, none of whom are oncologists or climatologists, but hey that doesn't matter it's not like anyone will actually check.
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Shame Boy posted:Tell them they're a total sucker for getting a piss easy degree like CS and doing "real work" instead of coasting on the least amount of effort you can put in and keep your job while still somehow pulling in 6 figures. Software development is by far one of the most trivially easy jobs in the universe compared to how much you get paid to do it, if they think it's "real work" they're probably volunteering to put in 80 hours a week like a moron for no real additional benefit. When I worked, like, six years in fast food, I worked over forty hours a week and they would literally steal hours and claim they would apply them to any days I had to take off and never did. I didn't believe them, but I had no choice because the other places around here did that too and paid less. I also worked harder there than at any other job I've ever had, regularly doing the work of three employees at once because they liked to send people home early just before a rush to make their profits look better. I was fired because I made one of the newer guys clean the grill before he cooked more meat on it because I had to do dishes. Best thing that ever happened to me, because it led me to a job where I literally make twice what I did before with something resembling benefits and two weeks' worth of paid time off a year. It's soul-crushing work -- I mostly lie to active duty service members and their family about how long it will take for their information to be updated in our system to get them off the phone to give our understaffed billing and enrollment office more breathing room, which is better than what I used to do while I was in Claims, where I had to lie about our company paying claims it wasn't going to pay until it was too late -- but it pays my way, helps me pay for my mother's upkeep (I buy her groceries and pay her bills), and leaves me enough left over so I don't have that cloud of crushing existential destitute angst I had hovering over me when I worked in fast food.
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steinrokkan posted:lol, the millenials will turn hard right as soon as socialism will ask them to make the slightest personal sacrifice in order to save the planet The idea that people get more right-wing as they get older is a myth based on two principles. The first is that social attitudes change over time meaning people do get more socially conservative but this isn't because their views have changed, it's because the world around them has. The other principle is the main trigger for going right-wing is the accumulation of capital which grows as you age. Except we're deep into late capitalism now and people don't accumulate capital any more so the conversion to the right isn't happening  *This doesn't apply to America though, you guys are hosed
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Rarity posted:The idea that people get more right-wing as they get older is a myth based on two principles. The first is that social attitudes change over time meaning people do get more socially conservative but this isn't because their views have changed, it's because the world around them has. The other principle is the main trigger for going right-wing is the accumulation of capital which grows as you age. Except we're deep into late capitalism now and people don't accumulate capital any more so the conversion to the right isn't happening There is no late capitalism you goober.
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Spazzle posted:There is no late capitalism you goober. believe it or not, global capitalism is unsustainable, and we are witnessing it cannibalizing itself. that is what is meant by "late capitalism". the consumer-driven mechanisms of of the world economy will fail as the material and social dynamics which made it a possibility disintegrate. this is not to say that something like worldwide communism is inevitable. a more likely endgame is protectionist fascist states engaging in ruinous warfare over what scraps remain on this earth poisoned and depleted by centuries of industrial extraction. or, of course, we could fight for a socialist alternative. I would prefer that personally
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Rarity posted:The idea that people get more right-wing as they get older is a myth based on two principles. The first is that social attitudes change over time meaning people do get more socially conservative but this isn't because their views have changed, it's because the world around them has. The other principle is the main trigger for going right-wing is the accumulation of capital which grows as you age. Except we're deep into late capitalism now and people don't accumulate capital any more so the conversion to the right isn't happening what if it was just the dumb rear end boomers who "got more conservative as they got older" (because theyre dumb rear end boomers)
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jimmyjams posted:what if it was just the dumb rear end boomers who "got more conservative as they got older" (because theyre dumb rear end boomers) The majority of Boomers were always right wing by the standards of today.
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Mr. Lobe posted:or, of course, we could fight for a socialist alternative. I would prefer that personally Good thing the military is full of leftists sympathetic to our cause who will stop and think carefully before shooting citizens of their own country because they're "commies" then Spuckuk posted:The majority of Boomers were always right wing by the standards of today. I mean in addition hippies were certainly visible but they were definitely the minority, and popular history has mostly just forgotten about the assholes who marched in support of the Vietnam war like Mitt Romney Source: my mom's an old socialist who marched on washington and lived in a commune for a while and is a great mom 
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Shame Boy posted:Good thing the military is full of leftists sympathetic to our cause who will stop and think carefully before shooting citizens of their own country because they're "commies" then Like I said in the post, I consider fascist protectionism and warfare the most likely endgame of industrialized capitalism. Likelihood and desirability of outcomes are very different things
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Shame Boy posted:Good thing the military is full of leftists sympathetic to our cause who will stop and think carefully before shooting citizens of their own country because they're "commies" then We sing songs about killing communists all the time. "Went to the pool, where all the commies swim. I plugged in my toaster, and then I dropped it in!" And a lot more like that while running every morning.
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Shame Boy posted:Good thing the military is full of leftists sympathetic to our cause who will stop and think carefully before shooting citizens of their own country because they're "commies" then does America even have a million active duty soldiers or whatever they're called, even with overhyped technology I don't think the military is the threat to a general strike though I guess we'll see in the next couple weeks with the yellow vest protests in france also your mom sounds cool
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Tiberius Christ posted:does America even have a million active duty soldiers or whatever they're called, even with overhyped technology I don't think the military is the threat to a general strike though I guess we'll see in the next couple weeks with the yellow vest protests in france It's around 3 million. And active duty isn't some special thing. The reserves are far larger, and do/did, most of the fighting in the war on terror.
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About 1.2 million active duty and 800k reserves, if I remember right. Either way it's a stupid way to frame the argument, because forming a proletarian army and declaring war against the US government isn't going to happen. That's not the only way to do armed resistance.
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Tiberius Christ posted:does America even have a million active duty soldiers or whatever they're called, even with overhyped technology I don't think the military is the threat to a general strike though I guess we'll see in the next couple weeks with the yellow vest protests in france We have 1.3 million active duty and 800k reservists, not counting PMC's which I'm sure would be involved in any conflict, and being able to blow poo poo up from a drone that's flying so high you can't see or hear it while you're safe in a bunker somewhere kinda multiplies the effectiveness quite a bit imo. And yeah I'm super proud of my mom, she knows a bunch of old rabble-rousing socialists from the 60's (like one of the dudes that went on to found the weathermen I think?) and did stuff like form a human chain around the student union at college which had been taken over by the black students so the cops couldn't rush in and murder them all without having to break pretty white people heads on camera. Later on she worked for the school board running the subsidized after-school childcare program district-wide. Now she's a retired old lady who makes imo really impressive and intricate jewelry and bakes cookies and does general mom stuff
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And there's at least 2x more cops than soldiers anyway.
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I don't know what that means but I don't think there are 6 million conservatives who would actually go to war against leftists. The people who fantasize about that are mostly old men who will give up as soon as their Lipitor runs out.
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Less than 1% of the population is in the armed forces. Also life is not a video game meaning those drones need to land somewhere, get refueled and re-equipped, get maintained, etc. That bunker needs electricity to function. Like I really dunno what people are talking about when they say the military will just shoot their way through millions of Americans. How do you envision the logistics of that happening exactly? Also not every single person in the military is in a combat role. Prolly like not even half of them are. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 16:44 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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