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Man_of_Teflon posted:hmm Mendoza made a progressive property tax proposal and then immediately backed away from it Her backing away from the plan aside. Would this also be a progressive tax, or just an immediate jump to a higher %? Like let's say the tiers are $200k, $400k, and $600k and up. If your home is $300k, does the first $200K get taxed at the first rate, and the next $100k taxed at the second rate? I didn't see any details on it, but it's an intriguing idea.
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Niwrad posted:I get a weekly text spam from Paul Vallas still. Can't unsubscribe from it either. If you text STOP back, it's supposed to remove you from the list. I haven't gotten any since I did that, but I maintain it's still a dick thing to do. I wasn't going to vote for him anyway, but that certainly solidified it in my mind. e: source Big Black Dick fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Bird in a Blender posted:Her backing away from the plan aside. Would this also be a progressive tax, or just an immediate jump to a higher %? Like let's say the tiers are $200k, $400k, and $600k and up. If your home is $300k, does the first $200K get taxed at the first rate, and the next $100k taxed at the second rate? I didn't see any details on it, but it's an intriguing idea. Details on it don't exist, but if they are smart it would likely be applied so that there aren't any tax cliffs. It's pretty common to make it progressive by using an exemption plus a flat rate (i.e. $20k exemption is a 20% reduction on a $100k house and a 2% reduction on a $1M house) rather than a tiered system, sort of like we already do for homeowners.
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Amara gives great speeches but hasn't done a progressive thing in her life. She says she's against the cop academy but never showed up to an action. She says she wants schools to stay open but never said or did anything about the fight to keep the Englewood high schools and NTA open (especially since she's an attorney). She didn't say or do a thing about new charter schools opening in Austin even though she's the president of the Austin Chamber of Commerce. She says she wants a Universal Basic Income but refused to meet with Ameya Pawar's working group. (Before he started running for City Treasurer.) She endorsed Bob Fioretti over Chuy Garcia and Chris Kennedy over Daniel Biss. She may be a progressive, but she isn't interested in actually doing the hard work to make things happen. The X-man cometh fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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I agree she's not perfect but I do think she's the best candidate there is. I'm curious, who do you support?The X-man cometh posted:Amara gives great speeches but hasn't done a progressive thing in her life. I think this is a little disingenuous... just from googling around, she has been involved with many non-profits/community organizations (Austin Coming Together, Friendship Community Development, Institute for Cooperative Economics, Blue 1647, Illinois Commission on Diversity and Human Relations, Chicago Principals and Administrators Association). Between that and reading her old blog posts (https://themunicipalmaven.wordpress.com) I think it's safe to call her fairly progressive, certainly in comparison to many of her opponents! The X-man cometh posted:She says she's against the cop academy but never showed up to an action. Have any candidates (other than Ja'mal) actually been to actions? Her position (opposition) on the academy seems sensible: quote:“What’s also troubling is that the police academy was being touted as an economic development project needed on the West Side, when in fact, it is not an anchor that will create any significant economic impact for the West Garfield Park community,” Enyia said. “Instead of trying to pass off police infrastructure as economic development, the city should actually commit to a comprehensive economic investment plan.” The X-man cometh posted:She says she wants schools to stay open but never said or did anything about the fight to keep the Englewood high schools and NTA open (especially since she's an attorney). She didn't say or do a thing about new charter schools opening in Austin even though she's the president of the Austin Chamber of Commerce. Amara was involved with #WeAreNTA, and was on the Equity Committee that wrote opposing recommendations for the Board of Education: https://fix8media-chicago.squarespace.com/s/Equity-Committee-Report-Full-Final.pdf As for charter schools, it looks like she was speaking out against them during her brief run last time against Rahm, and she was involved in opposing them and the school closings: https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/06/16/mayoral-candidate-mayor-emanuel-is-the-typical-candidate-and-thats-the-problem/ quote:While acting as Executive Director of Austin Coming Together, Amara was part of the Community Action Councils that assisted Chicago Public Schools in developing an educational strategy in Chicago’s communities. For over a year, Amara, parents and community members spent their nights coming up with their ideal educational landscape. Despite the hard work of not only Austin, but neighborhoods across the city, Mayor Emanuel and CPS ended up closing 50 schools. To everyone involved in the process, one thing was made perfectly clear: The administration had not put into action any of the suggestions Austin, or any of Chicago’s other neighborhoods, had proposed. The X-man cometh posted:She says she wants a Universal Basic Income but refused to meet with Ameya Pawar's working group. (Before he started running for City Treasurer.) I didn't know she supported UBI but cool! Any info on why she wasn't involved with that proposal? I see the "Task Force" that resulted from Pawar's proposal has such luminaries as Patrick O'Connor so my hopes aren't the highest... The X-man cometh posted:She endorsed Bob Fioretti over Chuy Garcia and Chris Kennedy over Daniel Biss. No contest here... both of these are lovely moves and I don't like it at all. The X-man cometh posted:She may be a progressive, but she isn't interested in actually doing the hard work to make things happen. What makes you think this? It seems like she's been plenty busy to me.
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LaRaviere was at No Cop Academy actions before he quit, too. A lot of Aldermanic candidates showed up, too. I didn't know she was involved with the NTA fight, which is cool. But the charter statements are exactly what bothers me about her - she talked about them when she was running for office, and then said nothing for 4 years. Same with the school closings -she sat in on meetings but then couldn't get anything done. I just feel like Amara says a lot of great things and doesn't follow through. And if she becomes mayor, will she actually push progressive policies through City Council? I was supporting Ja'mal Green until he got kicked off the ballot. I really like Lori Lightfoot, except she was on the police board. I think I'll see who Ja'mal endorses.
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Troy was definitely my favorite, I was sad he dropped out. Ja'mal is clearly also passionate about Chicago and Chicagoans but his campaign seemed to be more of a protest run. I will keep an eye on who he endorses, though. Lightfoot... aside from the Police Board history which really bothers me, she has some other background elements that less than progressive: - a history in corporate law - refused to call for the abolition of ICE - opposed to single-payer healthcare - opposed to Medicare expansion/M4A But mostly I question her ability to accomplish change if she was so deeply involved in the police system while things were so bad. I think I question her commitment there the same way it sounds like you are questioning Amara's. I just feel like Amara has a stronger history of involvement and action. I do give Lightfoot props for having the nerve to run before Rahm dropped out, and in a runoff between her and him she would have been an easy choice. Man_of_Teflon fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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He wasn’t a perfect candidate either but it’s a drat shame they dispatched Chuy with an easy win. I thought at the time that it was to knock out a formidable rematch to Rahm but now who knows. I would easily support him over any of these folks. And yeah Amara endorsing Fioretti (who similarly bafflingly endorsed Rahm) really throws her judgment into question.
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downstate stuff but still IL, a bunch of corporations got together and hosed a small town dry by getting local government to give them tax breaks. they're not paying taxes: quote:An opportunity as great as the Intermodal came with a cost. First, to help seal the deal, the town had to offer the developer, CenterPoint, a sweetener: total tax abatement for two decades, until 2022. Second, the town would have to put up with an influx of truck traffic. No matter: With large-scale manufacturing shifting to the Pacific Rim at the turn of the millennium, the warehousing and logistics industry offered a chance to get back in the good graces of a global economy that had, for decades, turned its back on rural America. Elwood yoked its hopes to warehousing, which would carry the town to the forefront of America’s new consumer economy. they're literally killing people: quote:For Paul Buss, the 77-year-old highway commissioner of Jackson Township, the unincorporated land that sits to Elwood’s north, the trucks unleashed the chaos of the global supply chain on what was once a provincial post. “When I started, all these roads were dirt,” he told me as we drove around in his raised red Ford pickup. Once, a few slow tractors on the highway constituted a traffic jam. Now, the nearby interstates—the I-80 and the I-55—are swollen with semis at all hours of the day, while cataracts of trucks have spilled onto local highways and country roads. Potholes abound, and serpentine traffic jams have roiled residents. Trucks have backed over gravestones at the local cemetery after taking wrong turns. In 2016, a train derailed and hit a semi, throwing debris across the grounds of an elementary school, which was subsequently shuttered permanently for safety reasons. On the day I arrived, there were three accidents alone on I-80. they gently caress over temp/contract workers: quote:With nearly 100 staffing agencies promising access to the same low-wage workforce, offering a competitive cost advantage to warehouses looking to staff up is nearly impossible. That pressure leads to corner-cutting of all sorts, which often includes wage theft, in the form of paying piece rates, skimping on hours, or having workers pay for their own drug tests, a process that was only recently outlawed. “How else are you going to cut costs?” posited Clack. “It’s this race to the bottom mentality.” McDonald ultimately filed a suit against Reliable Staffing for wage theft and won a couple thousand dollars in a settlement—but not before the agency tried to declare bankruptcy to avoid a payout. “That’s what they do,” he said, “they file bankruptcy so they don’t have to pay people.” (None of the staffing agencies contacted for this article responded to request for comment.) they keep driving towns into debt: quote:All Elwood’s problems—the choking traffic, the precarious work conditions, the crumbling infrastructure—have been compounded by an original sin: the decision to forego tax collection. With little money coming in, the village issued bonds to finance the town hall, the gleaming new sidewalks, and the stop signs that are observed only voluntarily. “At the end of the day, it turns out they cut a very bad deal,” Greuling told me. “They issued bonds for a water and sewer system that was too large. They built all of this capacity and now they have this huge debt. That’s the next chapter: How are they going to find a way to retire this debt?” and they're just gonna bail when it gets bad enough: quote:But when it comes to the long-term prospects for the region, optimism is scarce. Paul Buss’s son, who works as a building inspector in Joliet, told his dad there’s concern “these companies are gonna come in, they’re gonna build these buildings, and they’re gonna use them for however long they can get a tax break on them, and then they’ll move someplace else.” The threat of empty warehouses looms large. big box retail (and now Amazon) is a scourge on this country and this poo poo is going to keep happening because they take advantage of short-sighted and money-minded local politicians who don't know any better and then throw up their arms and say "welp i guess we can always just leave" when the people have had enough. gently caress Them All.
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Homer and Lockport, right near 355 and 80, are busy doing the exact same thing right now. At least a dozen of these huge warehouses have gone up with another gigantic development underway right now. And, of course, big tax breaks and lovely jobs with tons of truck traffic.
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DC Murderverse posted:big box retail (and now Amazon) is a scourge on this country and this poo poo is going to keep happening because they take advantage of short-sighted and money-minded local politicians who don't know any better and then throw up their arms and say "welp i guess we can always just leave" when the people have had enough. Personally, I blame the politicians over the businesses - they failed in their personal responsibility to the taxpayers. If we could hold politicians personally accountable for their decisions in matters like these, I bet we would see fewer bad decisions (or at least more schadenfreude).
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Actually it's good and correct to blame exploitative capitalist businesses rather than individuals when it's something we see over and over and over again across the country/world
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I drive through that area a few times a year to visit the raceway but it's always on weekends, is dead as gently caress so you got these huge pristine roads with not a single car in them cutting past corn fields and a handful of the warehouses. Is super tempting to bury your foot but there is always a couple cops camped out, I don't think I've ever not seen a speed trap. I have no doubt the town is in trouble but the infrastructure doesn't seem THAT bad down there. Lots of work has been done the last several years.
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Also applies to any sort of public money going towards sports stadiums for teams owned by billionaires. You want a new stadium? Write a check. You have 3 commas in your net worth.
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Big Black Dick posted:Also applies to any sort of public money going towards sports stadiums for teams owned by billionaires. You want a new stadium? Write a check. You have 3 commas in your net worth. Rahm is hot trash but I do appreciate him telling the Ricketts to gently caress off when they came begging for city money.
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I can sort of understand giving a company a tax break for maybe like 3-5 years at the most (although I would never do 0%), but why in the world would you give one two decades or more of absolutely no taxes? It doesn't make any sense at all to me, regardless of how many jobs they say they are going to create. I know the thought is "oh this company will move in and then other companies will follow", but why immediately undercut that position by giving the following companies tax breaks too?
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Yeah, anyone that played simcity knows you just gotta lower taxes by a half a percent for a few months and once everyone moves in jack it back up.
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I drove through Elwood earlier this year because I was going to the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. Lots of signs up saying No to any future intermodal/distribution buildings. It was quiet when I drove through, but I can't imagine a small town dealing with the traffic they're talking about. I am literally for a law that bans cities giving any sort of tax break to any private company. Nationwide would be preferred. The public should not be subsidizing capital like this. It creates competition between towns to cut taxes, and corporations just use them up and move on. It won't stop unless it comes down from on high because there is always going to be some idiot city manager or village president that just sees jobs and signs the town's life away. brugroffil posted:Rahm is hot trash but I do appreciate him telling the Ricketts to gently caress off when they came begging for city money. Ricketts also just got a soccer stadium denied in the Lincoln Yards project. The alderman said no to the stadium, and to the music venues, so I'm interested to see what changes with that development.
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Bird in a Blender posted:I am literally for a law that bans cities giving any sort of tax break to any private company. Nationwide would be preferred. The public should not be subsidizing capital like this. It creates competition between towns to cut taxes, and corporations just use them up and move on. It won't stop unless it comes down from on high because there is always going to be some idiot city manager or village president that just sees jobs and signs the town's life away. Could put it into the state constitution.
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LLSix posted:Could put it into the state constitution. All that does it reduce Illinois's competitiveness for business. It's an interstate commerce issue.
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esquilax posted:All that does it reduce Illinois's competitiveness for business. It's an interstate commerce issue. International
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brugroffil posted:International True but much of that is addressed through international institutions and trade agreements. We don't have a WTO of the midwest or interstate tarriffs
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esquilax posted:All that does it reduce Illinois's competitiveness for business. It's an interstate commerce issue. The article that started this discussion is about a town that is $30 million worse off now than if it would be if it had never offered a tax break to attract a company. "Competitiveness" that results in a net loss for the tax payers we can do without.
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Bird in a Blender posted:I drove through Elwood earlier this year because I was going to the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. Lots of signs up saying No to any future intermodal/distribution buildings. It was quiet when I drove through, but I can't imagine a small town dealing with the traffic they're talking about. Not exactly Illinois (but close enough), Reply All did an awesome piece on Mt. Pleasant's FoxConn plant, and what an utter con job it was. My guess is the mayor will be living in the Caymans in a decade, with a giant mystery bank account. https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/132-negative-mount-pleasant
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Beastie posted:Not exactly Illinois (but close enough), Reply All did an awesome piece on Mt. Pleasant's FoxConn plant, and what an utter con job it was. Amazing. According to the article it'll be at least 30 years before they could even break even since they didn't just give tax breaks but actual money they had to take out loans for. There's no way that factory will still be running in thirty years. I especially like the part where they promised to pay to relocate people and then didn't pay people who didn't demand cash up front. Just so they could save a few thousands of dollars on a 750 million budget. The article doesn't mention anything the council or the mayor gets out of this. Its entirely possible they were so stupid as to sell out their town, break promises they personally made to people they've known all their life, for absolutely nothing. Its breathtaking. I hope the mayor did get a big payout and the reporters just weren't able to find it. That would be easier to understand than such monumental stupidity as to make the deal despite hundreds of people saying it was a bad idea.
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LLSix posted:Amazing. According to the article it'll be at least 30 years before they could even break even since they didn't just give tax breaks but actual money they had to take out loans for. There's no way that factory will still be running in thirty years. It's such a boondoggle, Scott Walker (ex-governor) went from talking it up in campaign speeches to not mentioning it at all due to unpopularity in the span of like a month or two. Literally everyone I know in Wisconsin on both sides of the spectrum think it was an absolutely horrible idea. My biggest issue is that Wisconsin basically give the Great Lakes Compact the middle finger and is letting Foxconn pump 7 million gallons of water a DAY out of Lake Michigan. gently caress everything about that deal.
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LLSix posted:The article that started this discussion is about a town that is $30 million worse off now than if it would be if it had never offered a tax break to attract a company. "Competitiveness" that results in a net loss for the tax payers we can do without. It may have hosed the town, but the state probably benefited, no?
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baquerd posted:It may have hosed the town, but the state probably benefited, no? Absolutely not. The original projections were that the subsidies would pay off in 2043. That was when the number was $3 billion. It's since increased to over $4 billion which works out to about $315,000 in tax breaks per job created. A Forbes article had this quote: "Realistically, the payback period for a $100,000 per job deal is not 20 years, not 42 years, but somewhere between hundreds of years and never. At $230,000 or $1 million per job, there is no hope of recapturing the state funds spent from taxes on the company and its workers." It's an indefensible deal and will be costing Wisconsin taxpayers for decades to come.
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Big Black Dick posted:Absolutely not. The original projections were that the subsidies would pay off in 2043. That was when the number was $3 billion. It's since increased to over $4 billion which works out to about $315,000 in tax breaks per job created. A Forbes article had this quote: Sorry for the confusion, but I was referring to the earlier IL deal: https://newrepublic.com/article/152836/elwood-illinois-pop-2200-become-vital-hub-americas-consumer-economy-its-hell Time for sovereign state lawmakers to annul the deal in the WI case? Regardless, it's clear that when idiot politicians mortgage the future of their constituents, something needs to be done. I would prefer the politicians be held personally accountable, but I understand ruining them can only provide so much revenue and the companies will need to be hurt too in many cases.
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LLSix posted:Amazing. According to the article it'll be at least 30 years before they could even break even since they didn't just give tax breaks but actual money they had to take out loans for. There's no way that factory will still be running in thirty years. Possibly legal and sales teams for multi dollar companies are more sophisticated than small and mid sized town officials? Doesn't explain New York's giveaways to Amazon though lol
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baquerd posted:It may have hosed the town, but the state probably benefited, no? Hahahaha. Foxconn keeps revising the actual number of jobs generated down, and also added an asterisk that basically says "Oh you know how there's this bigass city with a ton of talent about an hour and half south? We'll be hiring a lot of people from there."
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Even Jesse White can't escape the stink. He was the only guy I could not remember a bad thing said about. https://chicago.suntimes.com/?post_type=cst_article&p=1618996
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JB Pritzker proving that trickle down economics do work.
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