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ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Somfin posted:

Oh, that part wasn't what my brain was breaking on, that was a clear fuckup. I'm noticing the asterisk and wondering if they're comparing different sets of bikes.

Technically a lot of bike usage in China now is through app rental bicycles, those ones you see with GPS locks on them that you just unlock with an app and ride until you get bored and dump on the sidewalk like an rear end in a top hat. So insofar as the point it's like vaguely trying to make re: usage rates of bikes vs cars it's something that needs to be considered.

But also at the same time it's a lot of junk data because a lot of those bikes wind up in landfills so-

Basically it's a really bad graph and it's best to ignore it entirely.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

to be fair thats basically what a calendar is

How am I supposed to mark my ’skis dates on this calendar?

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope
Good to know that February 31 is on Sunday and that the next day is a Friday.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
:chloe:

Good god. Source?

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

:chloe:

Good god. Source?

I asked the person who sent me the link, and she found it here https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/2g464o/at_what_age_do_members_of_the_opposite_sex_look/

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret
I think it's originally from this (OKCupid user data)
https://jezebel.com/mens-favorite-ages-are-20-21-22-and-23-a-data-dive-1731660984

edit: or at least more originally... there is a link in there to a dead page

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
Thanks! Reading through the comments, it looks like the data came from an OKCupid founder.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/christian-rudder-dataclysm-okcupid/

So it's unfortunately/apparently not, as I initially suspected, some cherrypicked data meant to confirm the creator's existing biases.

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
anecdotally i definitely fit that chart haha

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out
That chart is even worse when you realise that 20 is the minimum age

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Thanks! Reading through the comments, it looks like the data came from an OKCupid founder.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/christian-rudder-dataclysm-okcupid/

So it's unfortunately/apparently not, as I initially suspected, some cherrypicked data meant to confirm the creator's existing biases.

Might still be problems with data collection. How do the subjects pick their preferences, do they know the age associated with the image etc

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Krankenstyle posted:

Might still be problems with data collection. How do the subjects pick their preferences, do they know the age associated with the image etc

he talks about more in his blog which he turned into a book "dataclysm"
here's him talking about it for an hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX1gTVa1N78

tl;dr to the question of "how did they collect this kind of preference data" the answer was "extremely irresponsibly"

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa
i guess i should be more explicit that i'm not a big fan of this guy and the methods he uses (especially the way that he sort of sweeps all ethical concerns under the rug with a "gee ethics sure is a complex topic, also if we tried to address the racism and safety concerns in our platform in a way that impacted usability for straight white dude they'd just move somewhere else so our hands are tied")

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"


This feels like incel/MRA evo-psych bait. "you see, women are naturally attracted to men their age or older because they seek a stable provider, while scientifically speaking 20 is the optimal breeding age so naturally men are evolutionarily attracted to these ages so it's perfectly natural for 40 year old men to be with 20 year old women because biology...."

The question too is just "looks best"
Looks best as a partner for you right now? Looks best in pornography? Looks best through the lens of current beauty standards? You're going to get drastically different answers depending on how people interpret the question, and how men and women are socialized will greatly bias that.

I think the women polled were answering from the perspective of who looks best to them in terms of a partner, what age of a man they'd like to date/marry in reality. The men were answering more hypothetically in terms of abstract "pure physical hotness" rather than the literal age preference they'd prefer to look for in terms of dating.

Even with all those excuses though, men consistently picking goddamn 20 as the optimal "looks best" age, even abstractly, is pretty gross and bad. That's some borderline "um actually it's ephebophilia and it's perfectly natural" poo poo.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out
It's been a few years since I heard about this but iirc it's based on data mining profile visits or the people they were sending messages to or something like that

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies

Baronjutter posted:

This feels like incel/MRA evo-psych bait. "you see, women are naturally attracted to men their age or older because they seek a stable provider, while scientifically speaking 20 is the optimal breeding age so naturally men are evolutionarily attracted to these ages so it's perfectly natural for 40 year old men to be with 20 year old women because biology...."

The question too is just "looks best"
Looks best as a partner for you right now? Looks best in pornography? Looks best through the lens of current beauty standards? You're going to get drastically different answers depending on how people interpret the question, and how men and women are socialized will greatly bias that.

I think the women polled were answering from the perspective of who looks best to them in terms of a partner, what age of a man they'd like to date/marry in reality. The men were answering more hypothetically in terms of abstract "pure physical hotness" rather than the literal age preference they'd prefer to look for in terms of dating.

Even with all those excuses though, men consistently picking goddamn 20 as the optimal "looks best" age, even abstractly, is pretty gross and bad. That's some borderline "um actually it's ephebophilia and it's perfectly natural" poo poo.

Presented as raw data, it says more about cultural conditioning than biology. The tendency of people to interpret things as biological imperatives rather than as subconsciously learned behavior is the wrong part here.

ArtIsResistance
May 19, 2007

QUEEN OF FRANCE, SAVIOR OF LOWTAX
People like hot young people. This is a surprise to no one except you loving goons.

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Except women apparently

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

ArtIsResistance posted:

People like hot young people. This is a surprise to no one except you loving goons.
:hmmyes: the lesson to gain from this chart is uncritical :biotruths:

the science knower has logged on

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Women Not People, Say Goons

TheMaskedUgly
Sep 21, 2008

Let's play a different game.
I love that analysis cause it just shits on everyone in the online dating scene, particularly since it's pulling data from OKC, POF and Tinder;

men are overwhelmingly cradle snatchers for the 18-22 yo's, but rate average looking women as average looking; whereas

women are superficial as all hell; overwhelmingly considering anyone who isn't top 25% attractive as being below average, but at least tend to favour their own age or slightly older.

(caveat: the above is only directly applicable to online dating; it's likely that the superficial and low-risk nature of online dating skews the numbers compared to irl interactions)

There's rumours that the study was taken down due to the devilish SJW's not liking that its surface interpretations were misogynistic (they're certainly misanthropic); but I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of OKC not wanting to publicise statistical proof that that vast majority of men have little to no chance of being reliably successful when using their product (men are hugely more likely to pay for their optional services).

TheMaskedUgly has a new favorite as of 12:07 on Jan 10, 2019

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Baronjutter posted:

This feels like incel/MRA evo-psych bait.

Looks like you were right!

TheMaskedUgly
Sep 21, 2008

Let's play a different game.
And if you'll consider figure (2ii) - A volumetric analysis of vaginal girth as a function of age divided by the number of sexual partners, you'll discover

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Baronjutter posted:

This feels like incel/MRA evo-psych bait. "you see, women are naturally attracted to men their age or older because they seek a stable provider, while scientifically speaking 20 is the optimal breeding age so naturally men are evolutionarily attracted to these ages so it's perfectly natural for 40 year old men to be with 20 year old women because biology...."
This feels like projection :thunk:

ArtIsResistance
May 19, 2007

QUEEN OF FRANCE, SAVIOR OF LOWTAX

TheMaskedUgly posted:

And if you'll consider figure (2ii) - A volumetric analysis of vaginal girth as a function of age divided by the number of sexual partners, you'll discover

Y eah because men are the only ones who care about girth :rolleyes:

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



TheMaskedUgly posted:

And if you'll consider figure (2ii) - A volumetric analysis of vaginal girth as a function of age divided by the number of sexual partners, you'll discover

Are we playing FATAL now?

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

My first thought was, "Jesus Christ, dudes are gross."

My second thought was how does this chart look for homosexual or bisexual men and women? Or transgender people? I imagine there isn't enough data. Shouldn't really stop someone from building a chart, though.

Edit:

Kaethela posted:

Are we playing FATAL now?

Don't.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Gay 20something guys on dating sites definitely get hit on by 40-50s.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Gay 20something guys on dating sites definitely get hit on by 40-50s.

"What would they talk about?"

"Talk?"

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Aleph Null posted:

My first thought was, "Jesus Christ, dudes are gross."

My second thought was how does this chart look for homosexual or bisexual men and women? Or transgender people? I imagine there isn't enough data. Shouldn't really stop someone from building a chart, though.

Edit:


Don't.

his extremely unsatisfactory answer when asked about this was that they didn't have enough data about trans folks, but that gay men had "pretty much the same" preferences to straight men w/r/t age and attractiveness preferences. i think there is a chart somewhere on his blog

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

But what about the Libertarian monarchists???

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Louis XIV: the leftiest leftist of all

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

So conservatives are fascists?

Sounds about right.

Kangxi
Nov 12, 2016

"Too paranoid for you?"
"Not me, paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too much."
Progressive Monarchism

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin


I get what they're going for here but that doesn't stop me from loving hating it

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
im too stupid to read that graph

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
Gillibrand being a milquetoast, unimpressive people pleaser is the most apt part of the entire thing

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Memento posted:



I get what they're going for here but that doesn't stop me from loving hating it

This just makes me want to play DDR.

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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Suspicious Dish posted:

im too stupid to read that graph

It’s based on video games where animes fight, idiot!

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