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quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

got any sevens posted:

speaking of harry potter, it's unfortunate that people forgot about the totalitarian execution method in fantastic beasts, that film was incredibly dramatic

i didnt watch it what hpapened

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Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Breakfast All Day posted:

should probably be a thread like the #woke thread on this stuff and the delicate related topics around creating a sort of cultural autism (would happily adopt a less loaded term) where people become unable to infer internal states and motivations of characters without these cartoonish cues even in other braindead popular media, also probably related to the division of attention in the netflix + phone national ritual, and how this plays out socially and politically

theres a reddit (lol) that people send me stuff from sometimes thats movie secrets or something, that's literally just C-student reading comprehension of movies, like "in pulp fiction, there's a case that all the characters want, but if you pay attention its never actually shown what's in the case!" or "in wall-e, the humans in the future are fat because they've become complacent and lazy!". people construct their entire identities around movie consumption but either fail or are disinterested to have even a child's understanding of the sequence of events they're watching

nerds obsessing with "decoding" production details for deep meaning in films while getting incensed at people who do interpretive reading of films' thematic content was bad enough, but at least that was some kind of active engagement, instead of "in star wars, leia actually knew there wasnt a rebel base on dantooine, she just wanted to mislead darth vader!"

i agree that a CSPAM general cultural criticism thread would be good, I've been watching a lot of stuff as a consequence of my unemployment and I've often wanted to post about the way popular media eternalizes and reinscribes liberal systems, often while attempting to criticize some element of them

on the topic of reddits, what you're describing seems to be the only shared non-horrifble experience these sorts of culturally alienated consumers have, and so they become a referential replacement for real interaction. the Marvel subreddit sometimes finds its way to the top of the website and its just entirely half-remembered, unfunny quotes from the movie with more nested half-remembered quotes in response, ad infinitum. but what makes that really bad is critical analysis is basically forbidden by the broader discourse in those sorts of forums, so even saying something like "movies, games and other art inherently reproduce or represent political power arrangements by dint of depicting the real world, where they exist" will get you lambasted by thousands of people who genuinely believe politics are a discrete and obvious thing and the culture industry is an actual friend, not an industry like other things, so they're apolitical and it is okay

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

got any sevens posted:

speaking of harry potter, it's unfortunate that people forgot about the totalitarian execution method in fantastic beasts, that film was incredibly dramatic


also
https://youtu.be/ManyCesoujg

really the pre-2000's comic movies were decent and sparse enough, everything went downhill after spiderman2

I fuckin adore the original spawn movie, and I don't know why

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Todd McFarlane walks around his own office barefoot and will give an inspirational speech to his interns on-demand while spending his lunch hours at the batting cage

he’s not prefect but I think he’s a lot less hosed up than most comic crapitalists

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Taintrunner posted:

Todd McFarlane walks around his own office barefoot and will give an inspirational speech to his interns on-demand while spending his lunch hours at the batting cage

he’s not prefect but I think he’s a lot less hosed up than most comic crapitalists

Todd and Rob are incredibly fascinating human beings in the larger story of The Industry

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

quite stretched out posted:

i didnt watch it what hpapened

The wizards all start making GBS threads and teleport the poo poo onto the condemned crushing them to death

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Breakfast All Day posted:

should probably be a thread like the #woke thread on this stuff and the delicate related topics around creating a sort of cultural autism (would happily adopt a less loaded term) where people become unable to infer internal states and motivations of characters without these cartoonish cues even in other braindead popular media, also probably related to the division of attention in the netflix + phone national ritual, and how this plays out socially and politically

theres a reddit (lol) that people send me stuff from sometimes thats movie secrets or something, that's literally just C-student reading comprehension of movies, like "in pulp fiction, there's a case that all the characters want, but if you pay attention its never actually shown what's in the case!" or "in wall-e, the humans in the future are fat because they've become complacent and lazy!". people construct their entire identities around movie consumption but either fail or are disinterested to have even a child's understanding of the sequence of events they're watching

nerds obsessing with "decoding" production details for deep meaning in films while getting incensed at people who do interpretive reading of films' thematic content was bad enough, but at least that was some kind of active engagement, instead of "in star wars, leia actually knew there wasnt a rebel base on dantooine, she just wanted to mislead darth vader!"
i'd be down with a thread like that, but i'm not gonna make it because it's too much effort. time was, stuff like that post comparing the 2008 election to Dragonball Z was something solely confined to places for horrible nerds like here (and even here it was widely laughed at), but some time a few years ago it infiltrated the mainstream, and pop culture has been almost uniformly awful ever since

my thread title proposition is "We Are All Goons Now: The Nerdening of Pop Culture"

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



someone make that thread so i can write a long stupid paragraph about the cross pollination of actors between the first season of law and order SVU and Oz, and what that said about pre-9/11 america's relationship with fetishizing cops and attempting to make Liberal criticisms of the carceral state, with some BD wong pictures maybe

Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013




BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Todd and Rob are incredibly fascinating human beings in the larger story of The Industry

who remembers when Todd McFarlane had to pay several million in damages to a hockey player because he was too stupid to ask him if he could name a Spawn villian "Antonio Twistelli"

this St Louis Blues fan does

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Troy Queef posted:

who remembers when Todd McFarlane had to pay several million in damages to a hockey player because he was too stupid to ask him if he could name a Spawn villian "Antonio Twistelli"

this St Louis Blues fan does
i remember that because it was in Sports Illustrated at the time. good poo poo

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

Dreddout posted:

The wizards all start making GBS threads and teleport the poo poo onto the condemned crushing them to death

woah brutal

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 219 days!

Dreddout posted:

The wizards all start making GBS threads and teleport the poo poo onto the condemned crushing them to death

starring to wonder if rowling has a scat fetish

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Troy Queef posted:

who remembers when Todd McFarlane had to pay several million in damages to a hockey player because he was too stupid to ask him if he could name a Spawn villian "Antonio Twistelli"

this St Louis Blues fan does

Iirc there's a picture of The Rob in his twenties chilling with Eazy E

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

quite stretched out posted:

i didnt watch it what hpapened

https://youtu.be/X2jMhQ5McKM

fantastic beasts has a child abuse subplot crossed with 1984 and a cute animals story, it's so weird i cant help but respect it. plus the main character is autistic

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Frog Act posted:

i agree that a CSPAM general cultural criticism thread would be good, I've been watching a lot of stuff as a consequence of my unemployment and I've often wanted to post about the way popular media eternalizes and reinscribes liberal systems, often while attempting to criticize some element of them

honestly id just shitpost in cined except i only watch mainstream american movies years after the fact because one they're almost never worth the money and effort to go to the theater and two the hype train for these is completely insane old cined threads have for several years now followed a pattern of everyone giving sloppy hand jobs to the latest most brilliant film ever made to slowly realizing as the hype wears off that no interstellar was not in fact the 2001 of our generation

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

BioMe posted:

I'm guessing we are pretending all those other female action heroines never happened all over again?

Alien was in 1979

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Some Guy TT posted:

honestly id just shitpost in cined except

Go cry more in DND about how Bernie can't win in 2020 instead you loving useless moron

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

is that sarcasm because im not sure ive ever discussed my bernie beliefs on sa nor can i think of anything ive written on here that would make someone think thats what they are

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Taintrunner posted:

Go cry more in DND about how Bernie can't win in 2020 instead you loving useless moron

*taking a 30-minute long breath* don't sign your posts

Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013




get that OUT of my face posted:

i remember that because it was in Sports Illustrated at the time. good poo poo

as a bonus, here's some classic Tony Twist fights (and yes, the Kiel Center DJ played Chubby Checker's "Let's Twist Again" or "Let's Do The Twist" after his fights):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqbgt625HNY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4XkXEqveFc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqLryzA5kVU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YMCCrzT0ZU

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BioMe posted:

I'm guessing we are pretending all those other female action heroines never happened all over again?

A very important part of wokeness is to erase all previous progress whenever possible so the same battles can be re-fought and monetised. Women always have to be struggling to break into a male dominated space, never mind the ones that were there all along. They probably aren't rich and photogenic.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

A very important part of wokeness is to erase all previous progress whenever possible so the same battles can be re-fought and monetised. Women always have to be struggling to break into a male dominated space, never mind the ones that were there all along. They probably aren't rich and photogenic.

It's like the first black Marvel superhero to get a movie said, "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."

BioMe
Aug 9, 2012


JFairfax posted:

Alien was in 1979

Aliens was the action movie one, also not one I was referring to, you dum-dum.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Todd and Rob are incredibly fascinating human beings in the larger story of The Industry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmLFGWAyajU

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Todd was the first person to really blow up how absolutely crass and commercial the industry was, and he did it by realizing that the powers that be would gently caress him at any opportunity so he needed to watch out for himself by selling his art and poo poo

There's a great interview where he says he doesn't really care what happens in an issue of Spider-Man, as long as he gets to draw a couple cool splash pages with sweet posts that he can sell to nerds later and at the time that was controversial and now that's just like, an obvious approach to a job

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Just shut the gently caress up already

Pizza Segregationist
Jul 18, 2006

Am I the only one who grew up thinking that comic books were an old timey thing from like the 50s and had no idea they were still being made?

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

BioMe posted:

Aliens was the action movie one, also not one I was referring to, you dum-dum.

ridley has always been a interesting flashpoint in gender critique because as written in the first movie she has no real gendered characteristics save for that weird scene near the end where she does a striptease the second one is a much better example the way the company condescends to her has obvious misogynist undertones you also have her trying to fit in with the very macho military guys and her whole relationship with the orphan is very maternal

you dont get those kinds of dynamics in modern woke movies at all take ghostbusters even though the script constantly tells us the leads are being screwed over for being women everyone in the movie is constantly being a petty rear end in a top hat to everyone else regardless of gender

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


i hadnt watched any of the alien movies until last year for some reason, caught alien on tv and ended up watching them all including all the prometheus new ones and imo they all own, even the new ones people say suck

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

steinrokkan posted:

Just shut the gently caress up already

https://twitter.com/dril/status/922321981?s=19

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



Hey all. I just made a video about the film a topic I think fits in here really well. It's about the film Sorry to Bother You and how it explores the idea of Capitalism making a commodity out of revolutionary imagery and dialect.

Would appreciate any thoughts/comments/subs/what have you!

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

i'm just making this post so that i break dickeye's inevitable doublepost about stupid bullshit that adds nothing

edit: someone beat me to the punch, unfortunately that poster should also go back to cined

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

get that OUT of my face posted:

i'm just making this post so that i break dickeye's inevitable doublepost about stupid bullshit that adds nothing

edit: someone beat me to the punch, unfortunately that poster should also go back to cined

That was the only one I had actually checkmate obamailure

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

Thank you homex

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Pizza Segregationist posted:

Am I the only one who grew up thinking that comic books were an old timey thing from like the 50s and had no idea they were still being made?

a certain subset of that rings true, since who the hell cares about MAD Magazine these days

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

nobody actually reads superhero comics they measure sales figures in the thousands even manga beats them pretty handily which just makes their centrality in woke culture wars all the more ridiculous

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
it’s pretty pathetic comic sales are still at a fraction they’ve ever been and still declining, wokelords pretend (believe) that they’re picking up among children and youth after a few decades of being written exclusively for stunted manchildren and the reactionaries pretend (believe) that it’s SJW propaganda to corrupt ARE KIDs but the reader demographics haven’t really changed. and as said manga is loving free (well there’s :filez: sites for American comics too nowadays) and comics take up way too much pocket money for a kid now.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Dr. Killjoy posted:

it’s pretty pathetic comic sales are still at a fraction they’ve ever been and still declining, wokelords pretend (believe) that they’re picking up among children and youth after a few decades of being written exclusively for stunted manchildren and the reactionaries pretend (believe) that it’s SJW propaganda to corrupt ARE KIDs but the reader demographics haven’t really changed. and as said manga is loving free (well there’s :filez: sites for American comics too nowadays) and comics take up way too much pocket money for a kid now.

Manga is sold in book-sized volumes for reasonable prices in all the same shops where comic books are 5 bucks a pop for tiny pamphlets of 10% ads 90% lovely art probably by some guy tracing porn and basically a paragraph worth of actual story progression

Cape comics are hard locked into an incredible amount of suicidal business models. It's basically the giant panda of entertainment industry kept alive purely out of sentimentality when it's trying desperately to kill itself.

Ghost Leviathan has issued a correction as of 05:14 on Jan 11, 2019

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Cape comics are hard locked into an incredible amount of suicidal business models. It's basically the giant panda of entertainment industry kept alive purely out of sentimentality when it's trying desperately to kill itself.

so, what if, and stay with me, killed Superman and then brought him back?

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

can we make him a transwoman too

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