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So, just now I discovered (after ignoring less excessive begging from several other mailing lists) that apparently all the federal Liberals' emails have been caught in my spam filters since they hit the send button a few too many times on Dec 15th and automatically got reclassified as spam by Google. Dec 10: 1 Dec 11: 2 Dec 12: 3 Dec 13: 4 Dec 14: 3 Dec 15: 7 Dec 18: 1 Dec 19: 1 Dec 21: 1 Dec 23: 1 Dec 26: 2 Dec 27: 2 Dec 28: 4 Dec 29: 5 Dec 30: 7 Dec 31: 9 This doesn't include another dozen or so "Merry Christmas"-y emails that didn't ask for money. Nobody else sent more than two per day. I wonder if there's any chance they went totally out of control the last few days of the year because their numbers were down big after losing delivery to everybody using GMail. Something to look forward to whenever fundraising results are announced! James Baud fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I always love the "time and place" excuse when complaining about protesters. Can't they just hold their protest somewhere where nobody will see it? 
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Jan 11, 2019 12:10
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less than three posted:He needs to lose the by-election, have the party collapse in the election and then maybe they can rebuild and pull something off. Unfortunately the only takeaway will be "poo poo, we need to move even FURTHER to the right!" 
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Jan 11, 2019 13:04
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On my way home from work this morning my local radio station was covering the rolling blockades on the 401/402/403 in protest of the arrests out west. A woman came on and gave an eloquent and passionate explanation of the situation with a plea for compassion for those involved but was cut off by the host. Then some dude called in who suggested someone just plow right through the blockades and was met with a hearty chuckle 
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Jan 11, 2019 13:30
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acumen posted:On my way home from work this morning my local radio station was covering the rolling blockades on the 401/402/403 in protest of the arrests out west. A woman came on and gave an eloquent and passionate explanation of the situation with a plea for compassion for those involved but was cut off by the host. Then some dude called in who suggested someone just plow right through the blockades and was met with a hearty chuckle http://www.cbsc.ca/make-a-complaint/
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Jan 11, 2019 14:24
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Is supporting the rule of law a hot take now? Is this the CanPol anarchist high school meetup group?
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Part of me says yes respect the rule of law But part of me also wonders when respecting the rule of law has ever helped Indigenous communities in Canada from getting hosed by the same long dick of the law.
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Jan 11, 2019 15:17
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zapplez posted:Is supporting the rule of law a hot take now? Is this the CanPol anarchist high school meetup group? 
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Jan 11, 2019 15:23
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Yup the Canadian government of 2019 is the same as nazi germany. Totally arguing in good faith about that.
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Jan 11, 2019 15:39
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also, which law? section twenty-five of the constitution states pretty clearly that aboriginal peoples aren't to be 'disturbed' or 'molested' on unceeded territory and Tsilhqot'in says that any actions must be carried out with approval by the titled landholders. not elected, but titled. as to whether that title rests with the elected band councils or hereditary chiefs is what we'd usually refer to as a civil matter, not something that requires police action. zapples easily claims 'worst post of the day' and it ain't even seven in the fuckin' morning yet. good job, buddy!
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Jan 11, 2019 15:41
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zapplez posted:Yup the Canadian government of 2019 is the same as nazi germany. Totally arguing in good faith about that. My dude don't be so literal. The point isn't "RCMP = Gestapo  " the point is that what's moral and what's legal are often not the same thing, since what's legal is deeply coloured by how a certain society and culture has constructed legality and power over past decades and centuries. You can respect the rule of law while also saying that what the law did was immoral and the law should be changed. I wouldn't expect the leader of the NDP to call for armed revolution and violent resistance to the police, but I would expect them to condemn what the RCMP did as wrong, which Singh absolutely didn't do.Like poo poo man, just last year we witnessed the judicial institutions of this country say that it's legal to murder indigenous people for trespassing on white-owned land. And now today we see armed policemen clearing indigenous people off their own land by force. Yet somehow the reality that Canadian law is founded on principles of white supremacy and the devaluation of indigenous lives and rights still isn't plain as day for everyone to see.
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vyelkin posted:Yet somehow the reality that Canadian law is founded on principles of white supremacy and the devaluation of indigenous lives and rights still isn't plain as day for everyone to see. I seem to remember some folks getting real mad the last time this was stated this plainly.
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[quote="Literal Hamster" post=""491532316"_"] Can you share what sources you have on the history of the labour movement in Canada? I would be very interested in learning more about that topic myself. [/quote] Ron Liversedge wrote cracking memoirs of his experiences as an On-to-Ottawa Trekker and a Mac-Pap
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So is there a map of settled land claims in BC whereby they could route the pipeline around non-indian act land? This whole pipeline approval thing is just ludicrous to me. Why are they passing over land that was not ever settled with the Government of Canada? What do they expect the indigenous people to do, just cede their claim and let corporations use their land against their will 
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Jan 11, 2019 16:06
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They probably expected that they could negotiate with <someone> and buy rights to use the land. Evidently what they didn't count on was the people they negotiated with not actually having "ownership" of the land.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:16
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Risky Bisquick posted:So is there a map of settled land claims in BC whereby they could route the pipeline around non-indian act land? This whole pipeline approval thing is just ludicrous to me. Why are they passing over land that was not ever settled with the Government of Canada? What do they expect the indigenous people to do, just cede their claim and let corporations use their land against their will But if they passed it over white people's land and the white people objected, they wouldn't be able to send in the RCMP to move the white people off their own land. So obviously they put it on land owned by first nations.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:19
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Pretty sure most of BC, especially the northern parts, are all unceded land, since the colonial government of the time couldn't be bothered to sign even the sham treaties you see on the prairies. I suspect there's no going around it.infernal machines posted:They probably expected that they could negotiate with <someone> and buy rights to use the land. Evidently what they didn't count on was the people they negotiated with not actually having "ownership" of the land. This, it's like Euro-Amerindian Land Deals 101.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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This is from a 2012 Economist article.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:23
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Risky Bisquick posted:So is there a map of settled land claims in BC whereby they could route the pipeline around non-indian act land? This whole pipeline approval thing is just ludicrous to me. Why are they passing over land that was not ever settled with the Government of Canada? What do they expect the indigenous people to do, just cede their claim and let corporations use their land against their will 
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Jan 11, 2019 16:27
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zapplez posted:Is supporting the rule of law a hot take now? Is this the CanPol anarchist high school meetup group? What law is being violated? Can you lawyer me through this?
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Jan 11, 2019 16:29
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https://twitter.com/MaxSt_Pierre/status/1083478421798350848?s=19
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DariusLikewise posted:What law is being violated? Can you lawyer me through this? The don't obstruct or be seen to be obstructing LEO in any fashion for any reason ever law.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:47
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DariusLikewise posted:What law is being violated? Can you lawyer me through this? I was curious too quote:A temporary injunction prohibiting opponents of the $6.2-billion Coastal GasLink natural gas pipeline project from blockading a bridge was expanded Friday to cover two entire forest service roads.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:53
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Risky Bisquick posted:So is there a map of settled land claims in BC whereby they could route the pipeline around non-indian act land? This whole pipeline approval thing is just ludicrous to me. Why are they passing over land that was not ever settled with the Government of Canada? What do they expect the indigenous people to do, just cede their claim and let corporations use their land against their will We'll that's what's happened for the past century, why should it change now? 
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Rime posted:We'll that's what's happened for the past century, why should it change now? We can't keep kicking the can down the road forever, well maybe we can but we should honestly settle the claims once and for all tbqh
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Jan 11, 2019 16:56
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Postess with the Mostest posted:I was curious too This isn't directed specifically at you, but people keep bringing up the elected council decisions as evidence that the RCMP are in the right, which betrays a lack of knowledge regarding the history of the Indian Act and Indigenous governance in Canada. It's kinda gross how it's not something that's taught in school, despite being a large part of how Canada came to be.
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Jan 11, 2019 17:04
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Kawhi is staying because we will lock him up, just like how Sarauman was locked in Isengard. E: oh god this isnt the nba thread
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Coxswain Balls posted:This isn't directed specifically at you, but people keep bringing up the elected council decisions as evidence that the RCMP are in the right, which betrays a lack of knowledge regarding the history of the Indian Act and Indigenous governance in Canada. It's kinda gross how it's not something that's taught in school, despite being a large part of how Canada came to be. It's been said in this thread before, but the media also really dropped the ball on this one. Explaining the difference between the hereditary leaders and the elected leaders, and the actual opinions of the people living there seems like the obvious first questions that should be asked, and they probably aren't all that hard to answer. But the media universally stops short at "two types of leadership?! who can say what these people even want?!"
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Yeah, basically anyone I’ve spoken to about this who isn’t actively engaged in politics has said something along the lines of “they already made up their mind and agreed!” and knew nothing about the different levels of government. When explained, those same people all now support the blockade. Another thing that weirds me out is that people act as if because their leaders have signed an agreement that they have no right to independent thought. I mean, I know typical Canadians love to group together all indigenous peoples into one, but they don’t operate via loving hive mind. Canadians protest against the Northern Gateway, yet our leaders signed an agreement! What a double standard. Gotta say, I’m pretty happy about the level of solidarity on this issue. Something has changed in the discussion. My social media feeds are pretty heavily slanted towards leftist progressive stuff, but usually very few care about indigenous groups. For the past week it’s been constantly coming up.
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A Good Tweet
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enki42 posted:It's been said in this thread before, but the media also really dropped the ball on this one. Explaining the difference between the hereditary leaders and the elected leaders, and the actual opinions of the people living there seems like the obvious first questions that should be asked, and they probably aren't all that hard to answer. But the media universally stops short at "two types of leadership?! who can say what these people even want?!" Hell just look at that article Ikantski posted. They say the elected councils are on board with it, the company is paying hundreds of millions to the bands, 87,000 jobs are at stake, and it'll be a quick in-and-out process - in short, they repeat all the company's talking points without providing any such sympathetic coverage to the indigenous protesters. That might as well be a corporate press release.
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What constitutes sufficient consent from stakeholders though? There are many Wet'suwet'en who have signed on board too. The other surrounding groups who have sought out the financial incentives deserve some voice too. I've read case studies where projects have had 80%+ estimated support from a FN group and less than 10% in others but both sides still spin it as a broad 'First Nations support us'. The LRTs I've worked on have all had substantial public dissatisfaction too, particularly in areas where the construction took place (years of heavy machinery, dirt roads, and often bankruptcy for a business). Again I have inherent biases (I believe the Ontario gas plants should have been kept in their original locations despite the NIMBY panic, even if the scandal hadn't blown up) so I'm curious how people view megaproject feasibility. Optics of O&G aside, what about transport projects, hydro etc? Windmills also tend to be very unpopular in the communities they go in - the residents of Wolfe Island & surrounding cottage country by Kingston tried very hard to get theirs shut down despite it being a positive development. And they look pretty cool in my opinion too.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the BC Liberals: B.C. gaming investigators repeatedly warned bosses of 'horrendous' money laundering Author of secret internal report says $1B laundered through casinos — 10 times official estimates https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-casinos-money-laundering-foi-report-1.4972063 posted:"I crunched the numbers and added them all up," said Joe Schalk, former senior director of investigations with the province's Gaming Policy Enforcement Branch (GPEB). "The numbers would have exceeded $1 billion for sure in suspicious currency transactions. It was a staggering amount of money." I liked them just fine under Gordon Campbell, but was never a fan of Christy Clark. I'll let the timing of the attempted anti-laundering measures (Feb 2011) versus the reaction to "these are not working well enough" carry the water.
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Coxswain Balls posted:This isn't directed specifically at you, but people keep bringing up the elected council decisions as evidence that the RCMP are in the right, which betrays a lack of knowledge regarding the history of the Indian Act and Indigenous governance in Canada. It's kinda gross how it's not something that's taught in school, despite being a large part of how Canada came to be. I admit to being fairly ignorant about this topic. I've been following the injunction stuff in this thread, but did I miss someone post an explanation about hereditary chiefs vs. elected chiefs? Does anyone in the government know this difference? I guess what I am wondering is why would a company negotiate with multiple indigenous groups and ignore half the equation? Other than the obvious answer of incompetence/avarice.
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Literal Hamster posted:I don't think that the situation is necessarily as hopeless as you believe. Our society tends to follow the dictate of the Overton Window, which is at present dominated by liberal democratic thought, and has little tolerance for anything even slightly to the left of Obama. But that facade of acceptable thought is just that: a mirage. The people are usually far more liberal than is generally believed, and anyway are motivated primarily by material issues such as food and housing, not ideology. If genuine leftism were to appear and offer the people an alternative to fascism, I think that many would hear our call. Comrade, you've got the rhetoric down but you haven't killed the liberal inside your own head yet. Stop focusing so much on elections and push yourself on the question of what the actual material basis of the left could be. Recallr Marx was more interested in the assembly line than the ballot box. Beneath the facade of acceptable thought is not just some nebulous "Overton Window' created by the media and civil society. There's also a concrete set of material institutions that produce and distribute the surplus value of society. These specific organizational structures need to be central rather than peripheral to a serious socialist analysis. If elections actually had the potential to seriously disrupt the underlying material basis of liberal society then elections wouldn't be allowed. One cannot avoid engagement with electoral politics. At bare minimum they are a focal point for ongoing conflicts in society that the left can't afford to totally abandon. But if you find your entire programme of thought keeps coming back to winning elections or running better election campaigns that should give you pause. tl;dr: comrade, I fear you are falling prey to the siren song of social fascism!
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Risky Bisquick posted:We can't keep kicking the can down the road forever, well maybe we can but we should honestly settle the claims once and for all tbqh I don't disagree with you, I'm just explaining how CEO's and our own politicians view things. The First Nations are a thorn to be paid off and kept silent until they're fully eradicated in another 50-80 years, nothing more.
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James Baud posted:Little reminder that every time that actual working class people post or are featured in the news, this thread rallies round to condemn them as racists, rednecks, rurals, etc. I've been harping on this one (NDP abandoned working class, is now solely for the urban effete) a bit against some thread skepticism - somehow, even though you're all mad at the NDP for sucking - so I'm happily quoting this agreement from one of Maclean's cover articles today, on the Conservatives: And there has been a shift in who those supporters are, with Ekos finding the Tories now hold an "overwhelming" advantage among the non-university educated — a demographic split that did not exist during the 2015 federal election. "When did the Conservatives become working-class heroes?" Graves wonders. "This is a totally different political landscape". (Higher education rates recently... Could be capturing some age effects?)
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Hahahha holy poo poo
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