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JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



punk rebel ecks posted:

I've asked this before but search isn't working for me. What would be a good place to take classes/learn kickboxing or Muay Thai in Portland? I'm an old man, 29, so I'm not sure how much that will matter.

Team Quest is in Portland. A quick google search also shows there's a place called Portland Thai Boxing. Both of them may be worth checking out.

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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

punk rebel ecks posted:

I've asked this before but search isn't working for me. What would be a good place to take classes/learn kickboxing or Muay Thai in Portland? I'm an old man, 29, so I'm not sure how much that will matter.

Going by your thread history, did you try out any BJJ gyms? Some of those will have kickboxing classes, and if you didn't like the gym, maybe not worth recommending.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

kimbo305 posted:

Going by your thread history, did you try out any BJJ gyms? Some of those will have kickboxing classes, and if you didn't like the gym, maybe not worth recommending.

I'm not familiar with BJJ other than it is supposedly the most effective self-defense style of fighting. But from a distance it seems mostly grappling focus which doesn't seem that fun to me. Unless, that is an ignorant statement.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

punk rebel ecks posted:

I'm not familiar with BJJ other than it is supposedly the most effective self-defense style of fighting. But from a distance it seems mostly grappling focus which doesn't seem that fun to me. Unless, that is an ignorant statement.

Nah, you're on the money. Some folks don't like hugman sports and that's just fine.

mewse
May 2, 2006

punk rebel ecks posted:

I'm not familiar with BJJ other than it is supposedly the most effective self-defense style of fighting. But from a distance it seems mostly grappling focus which doesn't seem that fun to me. Unless, that is an ignorant statement.

Preference for striking is totally valid

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

punk rebel ecks posted:

I'm not familiar with BJJ other than it is supposedly the most effective self-defense style of fighting. But from a distance it seems mostly grappling focus which doesn't seem that fun to me. Unless, that is an ignorant statement.

Just last time you were in here, you said you'd check it out, so was hoping you'd have something concrete to compare to the MT kick.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

kimbo305 posted:

Just last time you were in here, you said you'd check it out, so was hoping you'd have something concrete to compare to the MT kick.

Yeah, last time I was here I wasn't fully employed so I couldn't afford it. Now I can though! :)

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



punk rebel ecks posted:

Yeah, last time I was here I wasn't fully employed so I couldn't afford it. Now I can though! :)

So, you haven't tried the thing that you asked about last time but are sure you're not going to like it and are just going to try out another sport you've never dabbled in?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

JaySB posted:

So, you haven't tried the thing that you asked about last time but are sure you're not going to like it and are just going to try out another sport you've never dabbled in?

My tastes change fast.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
stop posting about training and just go train instead

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010
I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries

Mechafunkzilla posted:

stop posting about training and just go train instead

Ain't nothing to it but to do it.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I signed up for a free week of Muay Thai.

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jan 10, 2019

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.

willie_dee posted:

Ain't nothing to it but to do it.


Fuuuuuuuuuuuck I just have to get off my rear end. I miss striking and boxing so much.

I went through a month of repeated lower back injury because I was going too hard at it. Eventually that time off just turned into time and now I sweat bending over to pick up 15 lbs off the floor.

quidditch it and quit it
Oct 11, 2012


I totally burned out on BJJ and started doing Muay Thai and it’s a breath of fresh air. Sparring is great fun. Although getting kicked in the guts hurts more than anything during a standard roll!

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

quidditch it and quit it posted:

I totally burned out on BJJ and started doing Muay Thai and it’s a breath of fresh air. Sparring is great fun. Although getting kicked in the guts hurts more than anything during a standard roll!

Getting leg kicked and having my leg just quit working was eye opening.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010
I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries
I got murdered in training today but it was awesome instead painful.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010
I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries
Why we train bois!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SG5EtBZxCA

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Can you link to where there's any self-defense or martial arts?

Dave Grool
Oct 21, 2008



Grimey Drawer

willie_dee posted:

Why we train bois!

I train to not be fat and depressed

fake e: as much

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

How on Earth are these kids not in jail?

Edit - Watched another video and apparently one kid was arrested thirty times, but they just put him in a cell for fifteen hours each time and then sent him home over and over again.

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 11, 2019

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Hey, just found this thread.

Just wanted to post that I am in my 40s and now a blue stripe in traditional Taekwondo. I plan to go full blue in March for next round of testing and if all goes well, hope to be full red next year.

I was a little intimidated at first when I started as TKD does a lot of kicks and being an old, out of shape guy I was pretty hesitant due to what I felt was my inability to do it, possibly embarrassingly so. However, I took the plunge largely because the instructor for our satellite school is 4 dan, an approx 50 year old woman in incredible shape and super nice and friendly. Very, very glad I did. I'm probably the oldest student in my class, but we have a few others late 30s-early 40s. A couple guys are older than me in some of other schools and of various shapes and sizes.

First few classes were pretty rocky as you are largely thrown into the class and you're sparring with the group within 2 classes and you really don't know wtf you're doing. It isn't easy by a long shot, however, but everyone is super-supportive and since we focus so much on cardio and sparring (we are a very competitive club in international tournaments), my fitness has improved markedly. I talked a good friend of mine into trying it as well and he registered. We are all a pretty tight nit group, become personal friends with my primary instructor, and several others in the club and all do stuff outside of the club as well.

We do not try for contact in sparring, and really promote control especially as you progress into senior belts, but light contact/pad slaps happen often, I usually get a good good couple bruises every couple classes and have broken a rib.

I can't speak for other martial arts, but if it's a legit school with a good rep and intrigues you, don't be scared to check it out because of your age or ability.

I've only looked at the past couple pages and don't see TKD spoken about much or know if anyone else here is TKD, but if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer any to the best of my ability.

slidebite fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jan 11, 2019

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Do the headgear and chest protectors actually protect you against tornado kicks and such? It seems like it wouldn't.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Defenestrategy posted:

Do the headgear and chest protectors actually protect you against tornado kicks and such? It seems like it wouldn't.
We don't wear chestgear, that's more of a WTF thing. Traditional is much more similar to ITF (to be fair, probably more accurate to say ITF is similar to traditional) but we don't do the "sine" wave thing. We wear head, hand and foot when sparing. From my limited understanding of WTF, they are much more, maybe exclusively focused on kicks whereas we do a lot punching/hand attacks in addition to kicks.

Headgear helps somewhat for some lighter kicks or incidental contact, but concussions do happen. Typically when people are pushing hard (like competition or sparring during testing), or someone that's still learning control. If you have a full on reverse hook or reverse crescent kick coming to your head and you don't block a piece of it or better yet, get out of the way, you've got a good chance it's lights out. I've personally never taken a kick to the head that hard but I have been the recipient of a bloody nose and black eye and a couple good kicks to the jaw.

e: Front facing kicks rarely cause an injury as the kicker is facing the opponent and can do something to pull it if it looks like contact is going to happen. Not as likely in a reverse kick.

My chest injuries (broken rib, some nice deep bruises... my massage therapist just shakes her head whenever she works on me LOL) probably would have been greatly reduced with chest protectors if we wore them.

In my case specifically, I think it's somewhat because I'm a big adult male so some of the older teens/20s just "think" I'm more experienced than I am and go a little harder than they probably should. That and I don't move backwards very often. My default is to stand my ground and block which typically isn't that smart of an idea when sparring with a good red +. Most of the younger people in my class have not sustained any real injuries as far as I know.

We presently have a push on injury awareness, mostly for concussions. We actually have a few big tournaments coming up later this winter/spring and it sounds like they're doing some rule changes which we'll be briefed on in the next couple weeks as we start training with the national team and masters. I'm curious to see what the proposed changes are.

slidebite fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 11, 2019

quidditch it and quit it
Oct 11, 2012


slidebite posted:

We do not try for contact in sparring

There’s a reason you don’t see much mention of TKD in here.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


What are the rules of "Traditional" TKD? Is it a "no punches to the head" thing like Kyokushin?

And I've always been a bit :psyduck: by the foot protector thing, as I've really learned to kick with the shin and whenever I kick with my foot I'm like "gently caress my foot hurts and I think I hosed up my ankle." Do they help much? How do you guys make contact with a target?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

quidditch it and quit it posted:

There’s a reason you don’t see much mention of TKD in here.

Lol should have clarified, that's more than a bit of a misnomer. There is usually "contact" in the sense you are going to be "touching" your opponent, just not using full power. You need to contact to know a point would have been made or the attack succeed. If you are going against a 12 year old kid though, you don't want to hurt them so you dial it back. Adult to adult can get pretty sporty... probably more than we should at times.

But "no contact" still has "contact" we have the bruises to show. Should probably more accurately be called "light" contact or something like that.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

CommonShore posted:

What are the rules of "Traditional" TKD? Is it a "no punches to the head" thing like Kyokushin?

And I've always been a bit :psyduck: by the foot protector thing, as I've really learned to kick with the shin and whenever I kick with my foot I'm like "gently caress my foot hurts and I think I hosed up my ankle." Do they help much? How do you guys make contact with a target?

I'm back at work on my phone so posting sucks and I'll try to give you a bit more of a reply later, but hits to the head are a major component to sparring and why there is a fair amount of concern with concussions.

quidditch it and quit it
Oct 11, 2012


slidebite posted:

Lol should have clarified, that's more than a bit of a misnomer. There is usually "contact" in the sense you are going to be "touching" your opponent, just not using full power. You need to contact to know a point would have been made or the attack succeed. If you are going against a 12 year old kid though, you don't want to hurt them so you dial it back. Adult to adult can get pretty sporty... probably more than we should at times.

But "no contact" still has "contact" we have the bruises to show. Should probably more accurately be called "light" contact or something like that.

Fair enough, I was being a bit snarky there anyway.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010
I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries

kimbo305 posted:

Can you link to where there's any self-defense or martial arts?

The bit where they are attacking random people and cars for funsies and filming it whilst taunting, then coming back to your house and having another pop.

Police are helpless, guns are not allowed (and rightfully so, gently caress guns), the only answer is what these boys are doing and publicly shaming them and their enablers, and to do so you gotta be prepared to defend yourself.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


slidebite posted:

I'm back at work on my phone so posting sucks and I'll try to give you a bit more of a reply later, but hits to the head are a major component to sparring and why there is a fair amount of concern with concussions.

Right - I just know that there are some TMA striking rulesets which allow kicks to the head, but not punches. Isn't WTF one of those? Anyway, yes, I'm looking forward to hearing the ruleset you're working with.

willie_dee
Jun 21, 2010
I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries

slidebite posted:

Lol should have clarified, that's more than a bit of a misnomer. There is usually "contact" in the sense you are going to be "touching" your opponent, just not using full power. You need to contact to know a point would have been made or the attack succeed. If you are going against a 12 year old kid though, you don't want to hurt them so you dial it back. Adult to adult can get pretty sporty... probably more than we should at times.

But "no contact" still has "contact" we have the bruises to show. Should probably more accurately be called "light" contact or something like that.

Do you feel this prepares you in any way to defend yourself against someone trying to punch your head off?

Not trying to be a dick, I just went to an Aikido class once and have a massive degree of scepticism to anyone not training something which works reliably outside of its own competitions.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

slidebite posted:

Lol should have clarified, that's more than a bit of a misnomer. There is usually "contact" in the sense you are going to be "touching" your opponent, just not using full power. You need to contact to know a point would have been made or the attack succeed. If you are going against a 12 year old kid though, you don't want to hurt them so you dial it back. Adult to adult can get pretty sporty... probably more than we should at times.

But "no contact" still has "contact" we have the bruises to show. Should probably more accurately be called "light" contact or something like that.

We call this sparring.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
All the men's waistline huggers in this thread are so obvious with their leading questions.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
I'm glad TKD has been a good way for you to keep active, get fit, lose weight and socialise. It's basically the reason I do BJJ.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


My questions are sincere. This thread needs a greater balance of style types, and I've always wondered how people throw foot-contact round kicks without loving up their ankles.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
TKD is absolutely a contact sport/has contact sparring, I think the distinction in terms you guys are looking for is between "point" sparring and "full contact" sparring.

Odddzy
Oct 10, 2007
Once shot a man in Reno.
Yeah, TKD dude is welcome here, we've run hard on a lot on dudes that don't do BJJ and stuff but I'd like to hear of other stuff.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

I do muay thai and the most fun I have is sparring with the tai kwon doe people when they come by the gym a couple of days out of the month.

Meaning, they know a bunch of stuff about kicking I don't know and it's nice to pick up a few things (and then punch them in the face :D ).

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008

spacetoaster posted:

I do muay thai and the most fun I have is sparring with the tai kwon doe people when they come by the gym a couple of days out of the month.

Meaning, they know a bunch of stuff about kicking I don't know and it's nice to pick up a few things (and then punch them in the face :D ).

Generally, TKD practitioners keep their hands down right?

Edit: Not making GBS threads on TKD, just corroborating what I heard on a Joe Rogan podcast.

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

mariooncrack posted:

Generally, TKD practitioners keep their hands down right?

Edit: Not making GBS threads on TKD, just corroborating what I heard on a Joe Rogan podcast.

I don't really know. When sparring with punches, keeping your hands up is the first lesson you learn. And this is a regular thing, in our area, for gyms to visit each other (so they've been good about it since I started there).

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