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PostNouveau posted:That was the only long one they had for a long time, so when they needed to kill time with a couch gag, it was the only option. Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Still, I've seen it way more than, say, this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci9jfMvoLb4 Though, it is much longer.
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Mak0rz posted:Ah, that makes a lot of sense. This one's from Season 18, so you're probably not watching as many Season 18+ episodes as you are the ones from the golden age.
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PostNouveau posted:This one's from Season 18, so you're probably not watching as many Season 18+ episodes as you are the ones from the golden age. My god it feels like it's an ages old gag that's been around since forever but it seems I was already away at college by the time that one aired 
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What episode is it where homer points at a picture of Bart and says that's him, that's the guy and he's scared?
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brugroffil posted:Since I watched the show so many times in syndication, those were the versions I always remembered. When I got seasons 1-10 back in 2010 or so, it was like getting all sorts of deleted scenes and jokes!  Then you realize, this is an even funnier show than it gets credit for and it gets absolutely butchered for reruns I think it's gone from a 23 to a 17 minute runtime, something like that? All the best jokes are the ones that have nothing to do with the plot. That's why there's so much exposition- everything's an Al Jean Explain-a-Joke because there's not enough time to be funny. The most noticeable structural aspect of the decline was when they stopped doing concurrent A and B stories in favor of using Act 1 as a throwaway plot to get into the main plot of the episode, which usually had nothing to do with the first part.
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PostNouveau posted:Somehow, we'd be talking about what the lowest point was for the Critic's 25 seasons and counting.
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i saw this guest animated couch gag for the first time today and it's pretty badass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZu5iDTtNg0 it's really neat how you spend a minute watching this gorgeous detailed art with realistic perspective and subtle facial expressions and unusual camera angles (even though the movement itself is fairly simple), and your brain gets used to it, and then at 1:13 it cuts back to season 27 simpsons animation quality and it's like hitting a brick loving wall Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jan 11, 2019 |
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yeah but maggie scoots by on a couch at the end so it's funny, you understand
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Sagebrush posted:i saw this guest animated couch gag for the first time today and it's pretty badass The thing that gets to me about the modern couch gags was mentioned earlier in the page, the longer the gag, the shorter the actual episode content. EDIT: Shorter episodes are pretty merciful in modern episodes I guess
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Sagebrush posted:i saw this guest animated couch gag for the first time today and it's pretty badass Wow that ending bit is SO loving bad. Like the majority of the couch gag actually had somewhat decent jokes in it, both at the expense of the 80s and at the expense of The simpsons. It actually felt clever. Then… the ending happened.
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Sagebrush posted:and then at 1:13 it cuts back to season 27 simpsons animation quality and it's like hitting a brick loving wall
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FilthyImp posted:Jesus. Homer on the couch at the end is animated so badly it could have been taken from a college sizzle reel. His mouth isn't bad, but his arm just tweens forward and back without even moving his thumb when he turns the tv off. Marge's eyes don't even look in the vague direction of Maggie, ignoring the fact that everyone just sits statically with their pupils sliding.
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The Guest animated intros are interesting to me since they are the only quality stuff about the show from the last 10 years and of course involve none of the people actually working on the show the rest of the time. They also throw into stark contrast how bad the show generally is by comparison, especially in terms of animation as we've discussed.
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Iron Crowned posted:The thing that gets to me about the modern couch gags was mentioned earlier in the page, the longer the gag, the shorter the actual episode content. And yet the commentaries from the early seasons are full of the people making the show talking about how the network kept cutting time needed to tell stories and jokes.
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pooch516 posted:And yet the commentaries from the early seasons are full of the people making the show talking about how the network kept cutting time needed to tell stories and jokes. They had to speed up Who Shot Mr. Burns Part 2 by 15% to get everything into the allotted running time.
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The newest one is kinda "Grandpa's Phobia". They find out Grandpa has trauma in his past, and they think it's from the war, but it turns out it's from his time as a model for toy soldiers. He goes on the news to bitch about them never paying him residuals (Lawrence O'Donnell cameo), and the toy company flies the Simpsons out to NYC to talk it over. The N&N joke is that Homer is stealing someone wearing the mascot costume, not just a statue btw. Grandpa gets there and they tell him what happened. The toy company didn't know his name because he freaked out and ran out on the photo shoot when the male photographer (Bryan Batt who played the gay artist on Mad Men) came on to him, and that was the trauma or something. Grandpa feels bad the guy lost his job over it, so they travel to Marfa Texas to apologize. Homer pees on the fake Prada store. The guy has an art gallery there and apparently Grandpa is his muse because all his art has army men in it. They don't address at the end that the toy company owes Grandpa hundreds of millions of dollars.
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PostNouveau posted:They don't address at the end that the toy company owes Grandpa hundreds of millions of dollars. “Rubber band reality”, the concept that had hans moleman being killed in every appearance and returning, and homer with $1100 to spend on itchy and scratchy money while simultaneously being unable to pay the mortgage, Formerly used for comedic effect is now used to paper over giant plot holes gently caress al Jean he’s so goddamn lazy
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Is Abe still a WW2 vet in the new eps or did they change him to be a Vietnam one or something?
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They should just make him older and older, make him a CW vet by this point.
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Is Abe even scared of anything in the episode, or is the episode name just a lazy reference to a golden era episode that also had a gay character in it? I know it's the latter, but still.
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At least, Abe is not seeking assisted suicide again. The actors may be.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:“Rubber band reality”, the concept that had hans moleman being killed in every appearance and returning, and homer with $1100 to spend on itchy and scratchy money while simultaneously being unable to pay the mortgage, First one that stuck out to me was Lisa's "eating disorder" episode where at the end Homer makes a line that "everything worked out" and Lisa said "No it didn't. I still have a disorder and it's not solved," and it's never addressed again.
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 For another obvious example.
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Been watching American Dad lately and Roger gets kicked out of a summer camp located across the river from a lovely meth-addled town that Francine can't wait to get away from. He drowns his sorrows at a local dive call Meaux's. 
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khwarezm posted:The Guest animated intros are interesting to me since they are the only quality stuff about the show from the last 10 years and of course involve none of the people actually working on the show the rest of the time. yeah, there are some very cool guest couch spots, and they are easily the best thing about recent Simpsons. Even a shitheel like John K can make something that's at least... interesting? about modern simpsons
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After listening to the commentary on that episode I’m in the writers corner for the point they were trying to make But episodes like that and Poochie were way too meta when they first aired and it’s only with the benefit of hindsight do they make sense The poochie episode was a gently caress-you to the network who wanted a new edgy main character/family member who would “out-Bart bart”  that’s why Roy is thereLike seriously what a stupid idea (nowadays it’d be the best episode of the season)
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Really? I got the joke that they were never actually going to bring Roy back as a child watching the episode for the first time.
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FilthyImp posted:He drowns his sorrows at a local dive call Meaux's. As a kid I never got the “Flaming Moes/flaming ‘mos” double entendre til they pointed it out in the commentary
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Really? I got the joke that they were never actually going to bring Roy back as a child watching the episode for the first time. I meant why he was there from the writers perspective not just welp we’ll never see him again, smart me. That much was obvious
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CodfishCartographer posted:Is Abe even scared of anything in the episode, or is the episode name just a lazy reference to a golden era episode that also had a gay character in it? That wasn't actually the title. I was just drawing a comparison. Abe also questions his sexuality in the episode, because he panics so badly from a man kissing him. At the end of the episode, he plants one on the guy and decides he's definitely straight.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:As a kid I never got the “Flaming Moes/flaming ‘mos” double entendre til they pointed it out in the commentary I didn't get it until a few seconds ago when I read this.
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Sagebrush posted:i saw this guest animated couch gag for the first time today and it's pretty badass I guessed the couch gag before clicking the link.  Definitely my favorite one in a long time. I legitimately thought the song they used was totally original for this couch gag cause it seemed so wonderfully cheesy 80s, but then I found out it was from Scarface (which...considering that's what the couch gag was referencing...probably made sense).Cessna posted:
I'm glad someone brought this up. This episode had kind of an interesting trajectory for me cause when I initially saw it, I (like pretty much everyone else) was flabbergasted at why they came up with this plot. For the longest time I hated it cause it was just so stupid and nonsensical. But now looking back, I actually like the episode. Sure, the original complaints are still present. But that being said, although it had a dumb plot, the episode itself was pretty funny, with some good gags and jokes (particularly the one you referenced, which I didn't fully appreciate until years late). It's basically what I think of as the best worst episode of the Simpsons.
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They also all thought the show was on it's last legs so why not do goofy universe breaking stuff? 20 years later...
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PostNouveau posted:Abe also questions his sexuality in the episode, because he panics so badly from a man kissing him. At the end of the episode, he plants one on the guy and decides he's definitely straight. Didn't Grampa seduce Hitler in some episode? Mr Interweb posted:But now looking back, I actually like the episode. Sure, the original complaints are still present. But that being said, although it had a dumb plot, the episode itself was pretty funny, with some good gags and jokes (particularly the one you referenced, which I didn't fully appreciate until years late). Judge Snyder's delivery, combined with the ominous music, always have me in stitches.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:As a kid I never got the “Flaming Moes/flaming ‘mos” double entendre til they pointed it out in the commentary Cessna posted:I didn't get it until a few seconds ago when I read this. Same.
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Mr Interweb posted:I'm glad someone brought this up. This episode had kind of an interesting trajectory for me cause when I initially saw it, I (like pretty much everyone else) was flabbergasted at why they came up with this plot. For the longest time I hated it cause it was just so stupid and nonsensical. Yeah, I didn't mind the "and everything goes back to how it was" in that episode because it was so blatant and obvious - and it was called out and laughed at. I saw it as self-deprecating humor, and was fine with it as a result. But somewhere they lost track of the fact that this wasn't supposed to be the status quo.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Is Abe still a WW2 vet in the new eps or did they change him to be a Vietnam one or something? Still WW2
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And would have had to be in his 60s to concieve Homer now for him to still be a WWII vet.
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