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RBA Starblade posted:Luke Skywalker: Space Idiot True! But they are good questions because they help the viewer with understanding the universe.
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Jan 11, 2019 18:40
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sponges posted:Casually accusing Cnut of being a racist facisct because of his stance on Star Wars robots Opinions on art are revelatory of one's own personal ideologies. It's why art is so good, is that we can use it to examine ourselves. This is uncontroversial.
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Jan 11, 2019 18:59
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Darth Vader calmly adjusts his control stick as the stars zoom by.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Opinions on art are revelatory of one's own personal ideologies. It's why art is so good, is that we can use it to examine ourselves. This is uncontroversial. I don't agree.
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Jan 11, 2019 19:45
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sponges posted:Casually accusing Cnut of being a racist facisct because of his stance on Star Wars robots A lot of the things he's saying of droids are what racists say of people who they feel are lesser than themselves. If we're positing the theory that droids are people (which they are), then he's assigning the same stereotypes (They don't think like we do, but it's not their fault, it's simply the way they were born/built/created). Not coincidentally, Obi Wan has the same line of reasoning at the beginning of Episode I when he meets Jar Jar Binks.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:39
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cuntman.net posted:Darth Vader calmly adjusts his control stick as the stars zoom by. Ah, you're a Maoist I see
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ruddiger posted:A lot of the things he's saying of droids are what racists say of people who they feel are lesser than themselves. If we're positing the theory that droids are people (which they are), then he's assigning the same stereotypes (They don't think like we do, but it's not their fault, it's simply the way they were born/built/created). Not coincidentally, Obi Wan has the same line of reasoning at the beginning of Episode I when he meets Jar Jar Binks. Droids aren't people (they're made up characters in a sci fi movie). Also not for nothing but the reading that droids are droids and not black people in order to trick racists into outing themselves is pretty thin. If Papa Lucas had wanted droids to be mere stand ins for oppressed people why not just make them Vietnamese and save some budget on make-up and props?
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Jan 11, 2019 21:46
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Droids are people. They're the most sympathetic characters in the whole saga. Heck, in the Alien films you got loving Bishop and David, the two greatest heroes in the series besides Ripley!
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Jan 11, 2019 21:47
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porfiria posted:Droids aren't people (they're made up characters in a sci fi movie). Who cares about George Lucas? The characters we see on the screen are thinking and feeling and deserving of empathy.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:47
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Waffles Inc. posted:Who cares about George Lucas? Sorry to tell you, but they're Siri.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:48
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porfiria posted:Droids aren't people (they're made up characters in a sci fi movie). What a dumb-rear end question. Why didn't he just write down the plot of the movie on a blackboard and film that for 90 minutes? He wouldn't even have to use differently colored crayon, just use one color. Wouldn't want to get too complicated when conveying something.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:56
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porfiria posted:If Papa Lucas had wanted droids to be mere stand ins for oppressed people why not just make them Vietnamese and save some budget on make-up and props? Because he had to put some distance between his movie and the one he took his ideas from. George Lucas posted:I remember the one thing that really struck me about The Hidden Fortress, the one thing I was really intrigued by, was the fact that the story was told from the two lowest characters. I decided that would be a nice way to tell the Star Wars story. Take the two
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Waffles Inc. posted:Who cares about George Lucas? I care about George Lucas. I care more about him than the robots in Star Wars, who are only a facsimile of people.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:57
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Waffles Inc. posted:Who cares about George Lucas? But I miss George Lucas.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:59
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sponges posted:... who are only a facsimile of people. So are the rest of the characters in the movie, what's your point?
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A New Hope is the best Star Wars movies, but I think Hidden Fortress is probably better than A New Hope.
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porfiria posted:Droids aren't people (they're made up characters in a sci fi movie). If you can’t be racist against fictional characters, then prove it: call Mace Windu the n-word. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 11, 2019 22:34
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If we’re operating under the idea that droids are people than TPM is the goriest PG movie of all time
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Jan 11, 2019 22:37
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sponges posted:If we’re operating under the idea that droids are people than TPM is the goriest PG movie of all time yes. i distinctly remember the first time seeing TPM being surprised at the glee and little flourishes with which the jedi chop up the droids
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Jan 11, 2019 22:41
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Nebalebadingdong posted:yes. i distinctly remember the first time seeing TPM being surprised at the glee and little flourishes with which the jedi chop up the droids Can’t believe it was marketed towards children. What a blunder!
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Jan 11, 2019 22:42
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Nebalebadingdong posted:yes. i distinctly remember the first time seeing TPM being surprised at the glee and little flourishes with which the jedi chop up the droids With the droids screaming as they get taken apart. Darn inconsistent portrayal of those coldly marching killing machines!
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Jan 11, 2019 22:43
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Grendels Dad posted:With the droids screaming as they get taken apart. lol at the fact that you think this is a burn instead of a perfect example of what I was talking about
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Jan 11, 2019 22:45
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sponges posted:If we’re operating under the idea that droids are people than TPM is the goriest PG movie of all time People point this out about alien blood/robot parts in media all the time. The observation itself is its own cliche. The transformers movies are like August underground for robots
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Jan 11, 2019 22:46
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Bonaventure posted:lol at the fact that you think this is a burn instead of a perfect example of what I was talking about Well, at least someone eventually managed to elaborate on your posts.
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Jan 11, 2019 22:46
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gently caress George Lucas.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:If you can’t be racist against fictional characters, then prove it: call Mace Windu the n-word. Mace Windu is a loving Neimodian.
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Jan 11, 2019 22:50
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porfiria posted:Mace Windu is a loving Neimodian. --! She can't do that! Shoot her, or something!
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Jan 11, 2019 23:06
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Wheat Loaf posted:I sincerely did not think was controversial. People can have whatever opinion they want, so like whichever one you want to more. And popular opinion does not necessarily reflect fact. But popular opinion is that Empire is better than A New Hope. It’s a cliche for one of the rare sequels that is better than the original. Like Godfather II being better than Godfather. You should not have been surprised the comment would have been met with resistance. That being said, I’m not saying you’re wrong. It’s your opinion. Like in my above example, I think The Godfather is 10 times the movie that The Godfather II is. But I know I do not hold the popular opinion.
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Jan 11, 2019 23:21
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Right, so when Cnut refers to Chewbacca as an animal and calls R2D2 an evolutionary dead-end(???), because of their races, that’s racism. If anything it’s like a purified form of racism because Cnut is operating within a fantasy scenario where he can imagine just about anything. This is what he dreams.
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Jan 11, 2019 23:30
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thrawn527 posted:That being said, I’m not saying you’re wrong. It’s your opinion. Like in my above example, I think The Godfather is 10 times the movie that The Godfather II is. But I know I do not hold the popular opinion. I tend to be a good judge of popular opinion and it's why my own reaction to Last Jedi continues to throw me for a loop. I certainly liked it, but clearly that wasn't the general reaction and I can't figure out what I am getting wrong.
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Jan 11, 2019 23:33
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Wheat Loaf posted:I tend to be a good judge of popular opinion and it's why my own reaction to Last Jedi continues to throw me for a loop. I certainly liked it, but clearly that wasn't the general reaction and I can't figure out what I am getting wrong. Oh my god stop talking
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Jan 11, 2019 23:35
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Bonaventure posted:lol at the fact that you think this is a burn instead of a perfect example of what I was talking about How is it an inconsistency if soldiers scream when dismembered?
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Jan 11, 2019 23:35
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Hmm, this is clearly framed as comedy and yet... no; surely it's tragedy.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I tend to be a good judge of popular opinion and it's why my own reaction to Last Jedi continues to throw me for a loop. I certainly liked it, but clearly that wasn't the general reaction and I can't figure out what I am getting wrong. I'm sorry you enjoy the Mary Sue Chronicles because Disney is too afraid to create a sophisticated female character with flaws.
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thrawn527 posted:That being said, I’m not saying you’re wrong. It’s your opinion. Like in my above example, I think The Godfather is 10 times the movie that The Godfather II is. But I know I do not hold the popular opinion. I just want to assure you that you're 110% correct that Godfather Part 1 is a better movie.
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Jan 11, 2019 23:44
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Slutitution posted:I'm sorry you enjoy the Mary Sue Chronicles because Disney is too afraid to create a sophisticated female character with flaws. Whatever.
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Bonaventure posted:Hmm, this is clearly framed as comedy and yet... no; surely it's tragedy. Objection, it is framed as an awesome display of power by the Jedi, triumphant music and everything. The droids are not only defeated, they are debased. Look at those loving clowns, getting totally owned by the heroic Jedi. It's so terribly one-sided audiences failed to get any satisfaction out of it, and then audiences got confused. Why couldn't they get satisfaction from a scene that shows the heroes dismembering their adversaries?
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Jan 11, 2019 23:48
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Bonaventure posted:Hmm, this is clearly framed as comedy and yet... no; surely it's tragedy. people get chopped up in comedies too? im honestly confused what you're arguing for
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Bonaventure posted:Hmm, this is clearly framed as comedy and yet... no; surely it's tragedy. That's not an inconsistency in portrayal of the droids or elucidation of their natures. That's (arguably; I don't actually agree) an inconsistency in tone or genre.
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