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I've just realized that this game is actually just the open world version of Original War
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The pro tip is to not build a base anywhere without 100+ building material to throw up the BM storage and walls first thing. Or have a Merc group or two.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:02
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Building material is luckily very easy to make and basically ubiquitous - there aren't terribly many areas in the game that do not prospect for at least a little rock. Have your first two buildings be a stone mine and a rock processor and you're already halfway to being self-sufficient.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:05
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I have 12 guys, 100 steel plates and ~150 building materials stashed. Unfortunately all their combat skills are meh at best right now (5-25) so things are pretty terrifying. I really should go hire a pack of mercenaries on top of things just so I can get my base fully situated. I think what I also should do is find somewhere that has a natural barrier for at least one side. edit: unless...can things spawn inside your base? I might have somehow enclosed a spawn point or something with my perimeter walls and THAT's how the hungry bandits got in.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:14
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It seems like gates and walls don't provide that much protection if some enemies want to get inside your base. It's probably fine to use basic gates and walls and upgrade them over time if you're just starting out and it'll cut down on the mats and maybe time? to get your base up and running.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:15
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Vasudus posted:I think what I also should do is find somewhere that has a natural barrier for at least one side. Also, always press Shift+F12 when you have built a base. You will see a green circle around a central point. That is the area that the game actually considers yours. Have a wall that stretches outside this and enemies can and will spawn on the "unowned" parts that are also enclosed.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:19
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Welp that'll do it. The game considers the gate that I put down to be the center of my territory I guess, and my walls extend past that in a large enough area. I guess my outpost will have to be smaller.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:26
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Yeah, that would do it. The center of your outpost will actually move a little based on an average of your building placement or something like that, but it's not reliable enough to really control. Ideally, you want to place a standard house as your center building and then construct everything else in a rough circle around that. It's the expected way to make an outpost and the game deals best with that kind of approach.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:31
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I'm building a bughouse on my south wall, which is currently out of bounds. My gate is my north wall. Maybe if I focus building on the south end it'll shift over and I won't have to start this poo poo over again.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:38
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That might do it. Best of luck to you there. This kind of thing is annoying. FWIW, if you finish that construction and then try to import and just carry over your stuff to a new map, I think it will recalculate boundaries, so your new map would have your territory centered in the middle of your outpost from the beginning. Worth a try.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:40
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I feel like some of y'all are rushing the base building a little bit. I've got a squad of about 20 or so people ranging from level 50ish in weapons to the teens and I do just fine keeping them fed from stuff taken from the dead while leveling them up. You can get a house in a defended city and work on your research and slowly build up a store of building materials that way.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:41
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It's totally OK to both treat base building as the first thing you do in a new game and to hold back on it until you feel you're established. The game is completely capable of and built around handling either of these. It's part of what makes Kenshi so fun: you genuinely can play it your way.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:44
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I haven't built a "real" base yet with about 8 guys who have 30ish combat stats. I built an iron refinery close to the Hub and I've just been running the plates in to my crafting spots in the city. It's really nice for training actually because I get a steady drip feed of bandits that my mining team can beat down now plus larger raids every so often that I'm close to being able to handle on my own soon. Once I can beat the Band of Bones and the Ninja group I can't remember the name of then I'll start getting a proper base up and running.
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Jan 15, 2019 02:54
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I built a bughouse in the center of my planned area to start and now the game has a nice circle around everywhere I wanted to build. At least now I know how that mechanic works.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:03
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I'm feeling like building up a base in Shem isn't really giving me much advantage over having a thieves den / leather bar in an established city. The whole desire behind having a base was having all essential resources generated by me, and not shopkeepers. But that's kind of boring. Now that my 12 Death Adders have cut their teeth on a few hundred bandits, it's time to mothball this poo poo and go find glory in the jaws of something big. Either that or get my farming up to snuff so we're not all malnourished. Game is good. Super janky but real good.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:07
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The big advantage of having your own base is space to build in. A single building can only hold so much. Between storage, production facilities, beds, mining, farming and prisoners, a single house just plain won't do. The thing that makes producing your own equipment worth it is that you get quality levels based on crafter skill. A level 100 armor smith? Can churn out Masterwork Plate Armor by the bucketload. A whole squad equipped in that stuff can take an entire city... and hold on to it, too.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:15
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After two Beak Thing packs I have my walls up, supported by a strong gate and six crossbow turrets. I got a Stone Mine, a Stone Processor, and some storage. I'm researching power related things and building different houses to put my training dummies in. We're cooking with gas now boys. Well, not literally, I have more things to do before we're actually cooking with gas. Like go to the nearby Tech Hunter outpost and rob them blind of all their food so I can start farming my own. And get more bodies. MORE. ...goddamnit I have to go to work tomorrow. Stupid game finally gets its hooks in me at the worst time.
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Jan 15, 2019 04:02
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Cardiovorax posted:Because there is no real way to attack walls directly Not true actually, raiders can do that with normal weapons, they just generally don't.
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Jan 15, 2019 04:07
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I don't know if base building is ever necessary or the correct thing to do. On my most progressed game my ultimate goal is to wipe out the Holy Nation for the Shek. I'm set up in Squin with a couple of buildings that house all of my crafting and storage needs. I make than enough money for food and mats by raiding ancient ruins and going after bounties. I don't see much of a reason to build a base on this run and I doubt I ever will. Base building is fun and challenging though and you could exclusively focus on it if you wanted to which I probably will on my next play through. You can really do whatever you want and I appreciate that aspect of the game.
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Jan 15, 2019 04:40
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Could it be time for another janky Dwarf Fortress pretender to enter my life? This is legit coolness, right?
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Jan 15, 2019 05:20
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Gorgeous Mohammad posted:I don't know if base building is ever necessary or the correct thing to do. On my most progressed game my ultimate goal is to wipe out the Holy Nation for the Shek. I'm set up in Squin with a couple of buildings that house all of my crafting and storage needs. I make than enough money for food and mats by raiding ancient ruins and going after bounties. I don't see much of a reason to build a base on this run and I doubt I ever will. Base building is fun and challenging though and you could exclusively focus on it if you wanted to which I probably will on my next play through. You can really do whatever you want and I appreciate that aspect of the game. I agree wholly. I've been playing a lot lately and I have one save where I finally got a nice city build in Shem, but I abandoned it because it wasn't as fun to me as starting a new game with the slaver start and trying to make a group of roving badasses. It's more fun for me to just have a couple of guys that I can get attached to then having 20 guys that their sole job is to carry poo poo from one location to another
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Jan 15, 2019 05:50
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Songbearer posted:Could it be time for another janky Dwarf Fortress pretender to enter my life? This is legit coolness, right? Yes to both jank and coolness. It's a fun game.
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Jan 15, 2019 06:16
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Gadzuko posted:Once I can beat the Band of Bones and the Ninja group I can't remember the name of then I'll start getting a proper base up and running. The Band of Bones ran me out of my first real base what feels like ages ago. I recently had 35 heavily armed soldiers exploring the edges of the swamp not long ago and I noticed a triggered aggression from a Band of Bones bandit as I trekked south of Squin. I shot them down with crossbows, then noticed a somewhat hidden encampment that included a 10k bounty on the leader of the Band of Bones. I drew them out and shot them down as they emerged. They were weak and pathetic. They didn't seem such when they were raiding my camp, but it was different when I raided their camp. I know where the Black Dragon Genin make their home, too.
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Jan 15, 2019 06:56
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The head guy of the black dragon drops a meitou grade sword, he's a pro kill as soon as you can handle him.
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Jan 15, 2019 07:43
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Good cities to hang out in? The Hub is kinda boring with only one bar (two if you include the rebel one outside). On the other hand, it's been treating me well with five or six copper nodes for income, though I've been having to make runs up north for enough food for everyone.
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Jan 15, 2019 07:47
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I've been happy with Squin. I bought the ruined longhouse there and I'm having Hobbs stay and mine copper/research while me and Ruka explore elsewhere
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Jan 15, 2019 08:04
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In case anyone wants a base location idea for mid-late game... I've played quite a bit of Kenshi, and having looked in every area in the game, the best base location I've found is this in the Fog Islands:  All it takes to wall off is this, closed in on three sides by terrain:  100 Water/Fertility/Stone/Copper/Iron 70% Green, 75% Arid lets you grow everything in the game but Rice, which isn't needed for anything (other than some food recipes). Enough wind to power things (you will need to build multiple windmills, but they're relatively cheap). And Mongrel is a fantastic town to build near. It has both a general store & a dedicated building supply shop to supplement any building materials you need. It also has a large number of shopkeepers with sizable cash reserves so you can sell all your excess weapon & armor production. Mongrel is close enough to this base location that it can be run to quickly which allows you to ignore the Fogmen when running between your base and the town, and doesn't require micromanagement to get there. Now this isn't viable obviously in the early game, as you have to fight off the Fogmen long enough to setup shop, but if you hug the terrain walls getting there, you can avoid major fights with fog princes/heavies. Once you arrive you can quickly build the necessary defensive walls since there's so little necessary to block the entrance. Just remember to build a U-shaped turret trap into your wall design. Your only initial threats are Fogmen & Cannibal raids. There are other "enclaves" inside the Fog Islands, but none of them seem to have all these features or this advantageous of a layout. The one major downside in my opinion? There's a lot of screaming outside your walls as various people get eaten alive...you get used to it...kind of.
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Jan 15, 2019 09:11
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I set up show at the very northern edge of the Hidden Forest, just south of the Ghost Village. Large flat area, perfect for a larger settlement, and you can easily block off the back areas with a few walls, leaving one common front. 100% Green / 70% Arid makes you able to grow most stuff in the game, and World's end is close enough that you have a large market to sell your produce to whenever you want. The only downside is that there isn't that much copper, but that's not that much of a deal breaker imo. Edit: Has anyone ever tried setting up base in the Shrieking Forest? It's a beautiful place with pretty much all the resources in the game, there's just that one little issue... Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 11:56
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OwlFancier posted:Not true actually, raiders can do that with normal weapons, they just generally don't. quote:The only downside is that there isn't that much copper, but that's not that much of a deal breaker imo. This is a really nice spot you grabbed there, I have to keep that one in mind. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 13:39
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Cardiovorax posted:It's totally OK to both treat base building as the first thing you do in a new game and to hold back on it until you feel you're established. The game is completely capable of and built around handling either of these. It's part of what makes Kenshi so fun: you genuinely can play it your way. IMO you shouldnt build a base early on unless you know what you are doing. Once you understand what's up, those raids are a huge boon even with lovely characters who cant handle them. Until you understand how to make that so, a base is just a ball and chain and you'd likely be better off training some guys up and/or making some loving money without having a base which you dont understand how to defend. I love shek provings btw. They just beat your rear end in and then go the gently caress away. Thanx for the training fellas! Plus its super rewarding when you can finally best the mob. EDIT: I second squinn as a base city. Those ruined longhouses are big and cheap, the location is central and not very dangerous. The street through town also makes for a good protected path to sneak back and forth down easily for sneak/str training. Nathilus fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 15:01
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Is there a mod that puts an icon over non-player squads, or turns NPCs bright red or something? It's so hard to spot NPCs when zoomed out.
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Jan 15, 2019 15:48
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Nathilus posted:IMO you shouldnt build a base early on unless you know what you are doing. Once you understand what's up, those raids are a huge boon even with lovely characters who cant handle them. Until you understand how to make that so, a base is just a ball and chain and you'd likely be better off training some guys up and/or making some loving money without having a base which you dont understand how to defend. On the plus side, you don't actually need to defend it. There is no failure condition attached to base loss. You can run off at any time if you notice that you're not capable of holding on to a location and just take it back later. If the game doesn't glitch out, the bandits will have taken nothing except food. quote:Is there a mod that puts an icon over non-player squads, or turns NPCs bright red or something? It's so hard to spot NPCs when zoomed out.
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Jan 15, 2019 15:50
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So fishman isle is a great place for a master ninja. Got a ton of masterwork/specialist gear and limbs, as well as a meitou blade and a literal ton of foul meat. Bounty wasnt bad either. You can cheese the island easily with assassination.
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Jan 15, 2019 15:54
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Squin is usually my "go to" for my first set of crafters. Right now i've got four people in Squin and a pack animal mining and crafting while Hobbs is off getting me allied with the Hounds. Tempted to make an actual swamp base, this run.
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Jan 15, 2019 15:56
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dogstile posted:Squin is usually my "go to" for my first set of crafters. Right now i've got four people in Squin and a pack animal mining and crafting while Hobbs is off getting me allied with the Hounds.
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Jan 15, 2019 16:51
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Vasudus posted:It took me three hours of savescumming before I was finally able to get my base walls built without being murdered by random events. Then somehow some hungry bandits made it in my perimeter. I don't know what the gently caress. If you can't effortlessly obliterate armies of hungry bandits you need to keep a band of mercs on retainer at your town. Donkringel posted:So fishman isle is a great place for a master ninja. Got a ton of masterwork/specialist gear and limbs, as well as a meitou blade and a literal ton of foul meat. Bounty wasnt bad either. Fishmen are actually pretty weak and you can blow throw the entire island murdering everyone without much thought with a half decent crew. Only the fish boss is potentially dangerous. Herstory Begins Now posted:The head guy of the black dragon drops a meitou grade sword, he's a pro kill as soon as you can handle him. Only a ninja blade but you can clear him and his goons once you scrounge up enough lovely dust bandit bows or get some moderately skilled mans. They wear very light armor so even a bunch of guys with junk bows can get you a meitou blade. Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 17:33
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I think my problem with Squin was that none of the buildings could fit a research bench 3.
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Jan 15, 2019 17:47
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Speaking of which, I heartily recommend the Small Research Benches mod. It allows you to upgrade small benches to be equal to max tier big research benches. They still cost the same and also have equal power requirements, but they're more compact. It's a little bit of a cheat mod, but it's just so convenient that I don't care.
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Jan 15, 2019 17:51
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sharkbomb posted:I think my problem with Squin was that none of the buildings could fit a research bench 3. Aren't all the benches aside from the small bench the same size? It's huge but you can fit a research bench in anything but a shack p much. It will take up the majority of a stormhouse floor though and I always buy the biggest possible house available.
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Jan 15, 2019 17:53
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Donkringel posted:How do you deal with blood spiders? They are my bane. Leg armour! Also I run very fast. I don't actually go into the swamp until i've got specialist grade armour for the legs, but it has to be super light. I just try not to fight them if I can avoid it, if I see them I try to lead them into something else. Move from town to town. If you do have to fight them, they have gently caress all for stats, so one big hit with a weapon should take them out. This is also why all swamper shacks have mounted crossbows on them. I currently have 3 people chilling in a swamp town while they heal up. My healthiest member is on the turret. I don't want the guards to die, so i'll give em a hand.
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