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Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



ROFL Octopus posted:

Sort of. Intermediate and Advanced vocations now don’t teach you anything permanently but Monster vocations still do.
However, Intermediate and Advanced Vocations now have a lot of overlap in learned skills.

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
you don't actually need to delve into monster classes at all (except for maybe the free healslime heart), since most intermediate and all advanced classes are already super strong.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I couldn't find a DQXI thread so I'll ask here: is Sizzle Puff worth it?

I'm getting to around what I'm thinking of as midgame (no idea whether that's accurate) meaning Champs Sauvage and the Eerie Eyrie etc, and the newer crafting recipes are getting tough, meaning I'm running out of stamina before I can complete every section and am running dangerously low on Perfectionist Pearls. My usual strategy has been to abuse the poo poo out of Double-Edged Bash to build up multiple things at once, use Double Whammy when I have to work on a single meter, and finish things up with Lightening Bash if possible. Lately my poo poo has had simply too many giant meters for me to finish everything and I'm running out of stamina before I can finish.

I've tried using Sizzle Puff at the beginning to cover more ground with my initial bashes but I'm not really sure if it's worth the stamina. Also, my observation has been that two Double-Edged Bashes are better than two Double Whammies to work on two meters; is that accurate?

MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!
Its definitely worth it but you may be right about where its just barely worth it. As you progress you'll find that it becomes very obviously worth it. Basically the higher rank the thing is you're trying to craft the more worth it sizzle puff gets.

Hyper Inferno
Jun 11, 2015
Sizzle puff is absolutely worth it. By the final crafts, I was starting every craft with one or two Sizzles before actually bashing away.

Triple Whammy, Quadrabash, Kaquadrabash, and Multibash are your most efficient crafting abilities IIRC. Double Whammy and Double Edged Bash are about the same with Double Edge having more chance at a critical.

The Ninth Layer
Jun 20, 2007

This is the DQXI thread.

If Sizzle Puff was the temp rising skill, I almost always started crafting by using it twice. If you just got it then you may only have enough stamina for the one use.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Got it, thanks all :tipshat:

Crafting was definitely way overpowered in early-game when it was easy and I was pumping out +3 of everything when the stuff in shops was weaker than my crafting results would have been at +0, and is starting to even out a bit now that I'm lucky to get +1s and pearls are harder to come by; presumably as I get more stamina/flourishes it'll get OP again by endgame

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
Oh my God I just beat act 1 and wow

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

loquacius posted:

Got it, thanks all :tipshat:

Crafting was definitely way overpowered in early-game when it was easy and I was pumping out +3 of everything when the stuff in shops was weaker than my crafting results would have been at +0, and is starting to even out a bit now that I'm lucky to get +1s and pearls are harder to come by; presumably as I get more stamina/flourishes it'll get OP again by endgame

There's a person who sells pearls so at some point they become very plentiful as a result

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Impermanent posted:

Oh my God I just beat act 1 and wow

I love reading people's reactions to that.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost

loquacius posted:

Got it, thanks all :tipshat:

Crafting was definitely way overpowered in early-game when it was easy and I was pumping out +3 of everything when the stuff in shops was weaker than my crafting results would have been at +0, and is starting to even out a bit now that I'm lucky to get +1s and pearls are harder to come by; presumably as I get more stamina/flourishes it'll get OP again by endgame

If you're in Champs Sauvage then you should check out the mini medal academy; there's a vendor there that just sells the pearls if you're running low.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Nemo2342 posted:

If you're in Champs Sauvage then you should check out the mini medal academy; there's a vendor there that just sells the pearls if you're running low.

I need that gold for eyes though :saddowns:

At any rate I can't really get anything out of the pearls if I keep failing crafts anyway, gotta address this issue either way

Bloodplay it again
Aug 25, 2003

Oh, Dee, you card. :-*

loquacius posted:

I need that gold for eyes though :saddowns:

At any rate I can't really get anything out of the pearls if I keep failing crafts anyway, gotta address this issue either way

If you fail to craft something, you still get the item, just not with a bonus. Go forth and spend your ducats on pearls, son

edit: Oh, I see what you mean. Well, with enough pearls, you can still be a crappy smithy and get +1 to the item each time, I think. So if an item requires 7 pearls, you'd probably need 21 to improve it three times.

Bloodplay it again fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jan 15, 2019

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Okay, I'm on the third act now, and I just got to the point where everyone gets their levels back from before the time travel.

Looks like this is the point where the world really opens up. So, any quests or areas I should be prioritizing, or is it safe to just explore around?

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Wyvernil posted:

Okay, I'm on the third act now, and I just got to the point where everyone gets their levels back from before the time travel.

Looks like this is the point where the world really opens up. So, any quests or areas I should be prioritizing, or is it safe to just explore around?

There are some bosses and they will absolutely kick your rear end at first. Some grinding will probably be necessary before the end.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Wyvernil posted:

Okay, I'm on the third act now, and I just got to the point where everyone gets their levels back from before the time travel.

Looks like this is the point where the world really opens up. So, any quests or areas I should be prioritizing, or is it safe to just explore around?

Start doing the Hallelujah+Electro Light thing to level up like crazy.

Go to Heliodor and do the quest to get the Apollo Axe if you haven't already.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Elephant Ambush posted:

Start doing the Hallelujah+Electro Light thing to level up like crazy.

Go to Heliodor and do the quest to get the Apollo Axe if you haven't already.

I'm doing the trials in act 3 at level 58. Should I grind? My idea of grinding is using critical claim on metal poo poo. What's this hallelujah thing?

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




JBP posted:

I'm doing the trials in act 3 at level 58. Should I grind? My idea of grinding is using critical claim on metal poo poo. What's this hallelujah thing?

Hallelujah: Hero/Erik/Jade Pep Power that massively boosts exp and drops for the battle

Electro Light: Hero/Sylvando/Jade Pep Power that summons metal slimes

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

U-DO Burger posted:

A Hero/Sylvando/Jade Pep Power that summons metal slimes

Wow good grief!

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Whoops, you caught me before my edit. Look up, it gets better

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Wyvernil posted:

Okay, I'm on the third act now, and I just got to the point where everyone gets their levels back from before the time travel.

Looks like this is the point where the world really opens up. So, any quests or areas I should be prioritizing, or is it safe to just explore around?

Cobblestone has some quests to get you on the right track, but generally speaking just hit up every town. Make sure you finish the story up until the final boss opens up since that has some quest unlocks behind it and it involves no fighting anyway.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

1989 developer roundtable about the then-new Dragon Quest IV.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Even before I moused over the link I was hoping it'd be shmuplations. Not just for shmups anymore (although that content is probably the best on the English internet), the entire site is filled with incredibly interesting stuff about the development of Japanese games of all platforms. I'd consider it essential if you like that sort of thing.

e: bunch of crazy stuff in this SNK interview. feuding company presidents, American gamers insisting on scantily-clad female characters, the Neo Geo hardware was Capcom's idea :psyduck:

Ofecks fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jan 21, 2019

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
So apparently Dai from Dai no Daibouken is gonna be in that game with all the animes which instantly made me want to buy it

Demtor
Apr 23, 2008

"...you won't be able to walk, if you're always worried about crushing the ants beneath you..."
I just beat DQ6 for the first time ever and wow did I not care about the ending. Like, at all. They dropped the ball pretty bad somewhere in the dream/real world nonsense. Their was no explanation or in world reasoning as to what was going on between the two. It felt like the Twin Peaks of Dragon Quest and not in the good, make you think about metaphors and the meaning of life, kind of way. It was just a mess of nonsense thrown together with tiny bits of fairy tale encounters that didn't matter a bit at the end of the day.

A fashion show? Sure! Slime arena? Of course! 4 different casinos? Why not? 5 different methods of transportation? Yes! Coherent narrative and purposeful interactions? Naaaah.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Calaveron posted:

So apparently Dai from Dai no Daibouken is gonna be in that game with all the animes which instantly made me want to buy it

I'm glad to hear that the real hero of DQXI is getting the attention he deserves.

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Demtor posted:

I just beat DQ6 for the first time ever and wow did I not care about the ending. Like, at all. They dropped the ball pretty bad somewhere in the dream/real world nonsense. Their was no explanation or in world reasoning as to what was going on between the two. It felt like the Twin Peaks of Dragon Quest and not in the good, make you think about metaphors and the meaning of life, kind of way. It was just a mess of nonsense thrown together with tiny bits of fairy tale encounters that didn't matter a bit at the end of the day.

A fashion show? Sure! Slime arena? Of course! 4 different casinos? Why not? 5 different methods of transportation? Yes! Coherent narrative and purposeful interactions? Naaaah.

Yeah, 6 is the most “there” Dragon Quest since the only real thing they had in mind was “well, games from the SFC era had two worlds, why not us!”. I like the party well enough with Party Chat, and the gameplay asks a lot more out of you than the average DQ since enemies hit like bulldozers riding trucks to compensate for vocations, but yeah, besides the gameplay it doesn’t really offer a lot.

Demtor
Apr 23, 2008

"...you won't be able to walk, if you're always worried about crushing the ants beneath you..."

Last Celebration posted:

I like the party well enough with Party Chat, and the gameplay asks a lot more out of you than the average DQ since enemies hit like bulldozers riding trucks to compensate for vocations, but yeah, besides the gameplay it doesn’t really offer a lot.

Good points. The characters were fun to chit chat with at times and fit their personalities. I always appreciated Carter's "does anyone know what's going on?!" Moments and the rough combat kept me interested to the end. I wish it was a little easier to crowd control with aligments that missed 90% of the time, but eh. Oh well. It kept you engaged.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


The bonus dungeons in DQ 6 is a real let down compared to the bonus one from DQ4. DQ4 has a really trippy dungeon you can go through after the main boss, but DQ6 is a game about dreams. It seems like the final dungeon should be even more trippy, a chance to really freak the player out and do some mind-bending stuff before the final bonus confrontation with Nokturnus.

Nope, it's pretty normal. A bit of nice fanservice to DQ 4 and 5 in the middle, but the actual dungeon is nothing special.

Too bad, DQ6 just feels like a could-be-great game full of wasted potential.

SlimeSanction
Oct 21, 2008
In Dragon Quest Builders 2, does anyone know how to make monster munchies? I forget the recipe.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Ccs posted:

The bonus dungeons in DQ 6 is a real let down compared to the bonus one from DQ4. DQ4 has a really trippy dungeon you can go through after the main boss, but DQ6 is a game about dreams. It seems like the final dungeon should be even more trippy, a chance to really freak the player out and do some mind-bending stuff before the final bonus confrontation with Nokturnus.

Nope, it's pretty normal. A bit of nice fanservice to DQ 4 and 5 in the middle, but the actual dungeon is nothing special.

Too bad, DQ6 just feels like a could-be-great game full of wasted potential.

Dragon Quest 4's bonus dungeon was also made years after Dragon Quest 6 came out. Chapter 6 didn't exist in the NES version of DQ4, it was added in the later remakes.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
https://www.siliconera.com/2019/01/25/jump-forces-dai-from-dragon-quest-the-adventure-of-dai-gets-electrifying-new-screenshots/
Psyched

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump
Finally decided I’d gone far enough with all my characters in the low-mid 90s and ultimate gear on all of them except for the best outfits for rab, sylvando, and jade. Passed on the last harma trial and the second round of horse races.

True final boss was a decent fight at that point. Not super hard but a few tense moments where it looked like it was going to turn against me. Genuinely a bit surprised by one of the post fight story beats. Ending was good.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

This version of Dai is so much better than the not-Dai-but-sorta-is we got in DQXI.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Good Citizen posted:

Finally decided I’d gone far enough with all my characters in the low-mid 90s and ultimate gear on all of them except for the best outfits for rab, sylvando, and jade. Passed on the last harma trial and the second round of horse races.

True final boss was a decent fight at that point. Not super hard but a few tense moments where it looked like it was going to turn against me. Genuinely a bit surprised by one of the post fight story beats. Ending was good.

I need to find the time to grind up and end chapter three.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

JBP posted:

I need to find the time to grind up and end chapter three.

I almost never did any xp grinding. I just cycled people in and out of my party to get a hallelujah + electrolight pep combo set up while I did post game events and that worked fine

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine
I'm replaying Dragon Quest Builders and am about to fight the Chapter 1 boss, and I'm wondering something. I built the town walls up pretty high; is the boss's jump attack he does while I'm dealing with the hammerhoods he summons guaranteed to gently caress the walls up as he clips through them, or will he jump higher and not clip through my poo poo if i keep my distance from the town border and stick to the edges of the arena? On my last playthrough, the walls weren't has high, so I have no idea if the destruction can be avoided.

edit: Yep, he clips through your poo poo if you're right up against the wall, but sails harmlessly over everything if you're at the edge of the arena.

Fortis fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jan 29, 2019

Demtor
Apr 23, 2008

"...you won't be able to walk, if you're always worried about crushing the ants beneath you..."
Marching on in my first time ever series playthrough, I started up DQVII on my new 3DS and am really digging it. After reading the changes made from the PS1 version, wow. Glad I didn't have to suffer through the original growing pains. The intro was even slower?? How is that even possible?!

Looking back, they really put forth a good effort in making the older games in the series more playable with all of the new versions and rereleases.

Happy to find out that this 3DS version is made for long pauses in between play sessions with story recaps and helpful reminders as this will be a loooong year with this one I think.

Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

Most console single player games do the recap loading screens nowadays.

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Kild
Apr 24, 2010

Jack-Off Lantern posted:

Most console single player games do the recap loading screens nowadays.

ya even pokemon was doing it in like 2005

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