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Docjowles posted:Didn't Kalli or someone do a study and determine that, if anything, super tall QB's are the ones that universally suck? Guys like Osweiler at 6'7". Did he correct for those dudes getting the most chances? I can't imagine the sample size for "small" QB's is that big compared to the giants. Does it feel like Locks hype got completely lost with the emergence of Haskins this season?
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Play posted:Those people are all significantly taller than Kyler Murray. But yes I think they have done a good job preparing the way for even shorter guys Despite what your girlfriend may be telling you, one inch is not a significant amount.
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Chichevache posted:Despite what your girlfriend may be telling you, one inch is not a significant amount. It's two inches, which is absolutely the difference between a good gently caress and a total letdown
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Docjowles posted:Didn't Kalli or someone do a study and determine that, if anything, super tall QB's are the ones that universally suck? Guys like Osweiler at 6'7". We did a study in my graduate course that showed that there was no correlation to QB height and future success in the NFL but there is a correlation to height and round drafted. The professor who had me and this other guy punching the stats into SPSS reasoned that its tougher to be a taller QB because bad teams draft you higher. Play posted:I believe he's actually 5'9". It will definitely be a significant departure from the norm. I personally think it can work, especially with his athleticism that defenses will have to respect. But there will be challenges like making throws from within the pocket, especially fast throws like slants for example. The guys in the middle of the defensive line could be up to an entire foot taller than him, so for those kind of throws he'll need a lane which sometimes can be hard to find. Offensive linemen bend at a 45 degree angle to create leverage. Do a little home experiment where you stand up straight then crouch down into set stance and see how many inches you lose. It'll probably be around half a foot.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Did he correct for those dudes getting the most chances? I can't imagine the sample size for "small" QB's is that big compared to the giants. I did a quick thing last off season to see whether there was any reason to be worried about Baker's height, and did some simple regressions looking at whether height was correlated with things like TD and int rate, while including draft pick as another predictor to at least partially control for "opportunity" and talrnt, and height didn't predict success. You do run into a restricted range, though, where you just don't have almost any data under 6 ft or above like 6'6" or 6'7", so can't rule out some threshold on either end that causes success to drop off a cliff.
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Play posted:It's two inches, which is absolutely the difference between a good gently caress and a total letdown Its 1 inch for Russell Wilson.
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Chichevache posted:Its 1 inch for Russell Wilson. I'd wait for the combine before trusting Murray's 5'10" really. Or within 10 pounds of 195.
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Grittybeard posted:I'd wait for the combine before trusting Murray's 5'10" really. Or within 10 pounds of 195. Russell Wilson is 5'10". Murray is usually listed at 5'9", though I've seen "optimistic" results of 5'11". 
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Grittybeard posted:I'd wait for the combine before trusting Murray's 5'10" really. Or within 10 pounds of 195. Someone from the OU training staff came out and said he was measured at 5'9 7/8" fwiw
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It doesn't logically follow that just because we have a few examples of short QB's who are exceptional like Drew Brees or Russell Wilson, that being short doesn't hurt a QB. Most people that size never even play QB in the first place...
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It proves if somebody is 5'10" and sucks rear end then it's because they suck rear end
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I think it mattered more when the Stand Like a Statue in the Pocket Offense was more in vogue.
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TheGreyGhost posted:Kyler + 5 inches wouldn't escape top-10 in any draft in all seriousness--guy is just too toolsy. Here are some general thoughts on the current crop of QBs is your username a reference to The Cosby Show? also that writeup owned, more of that please
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Ironic Twist posted:is your username a reference to The Cosby Show? also that writeup owned, more of that please Batman:TAS when Adam West made a guest appearance actually. I'll likely take a pass at D-Line or Receivers next.
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Raekwon Davis to the Browns confirmed or we're trading up for Williams https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1085692169711607808
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Raekwon Davis to the Browns confirmed or we're trading up for Williams Raekwon is staying another year iirc
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Alright, so D-Line I'm going to try to organize this based on the categories of pure DL, Tweeners, and Edge guys since that's about the cleanest way I can bucket it. (Note: Matt Miller is a hack like every other draft guy including me). This is just a run-down of pure Inside DL, with likely the other 2 being one post DL Overall theme of the class is that it's a very good year to need a 1-gap rusher and an above-average year for 2-gap guys. Maybe the deepest class in a while at the 3-tech. Quinnen Williams -Alabama Latest in the sequence of Alabama interior linemen who are weirdly dominant for being in a defense that used to be so linebacker reliant, especially from alignments in the 3-tech. He's pretty thin for a pure DT at a listed 289, but he's so goddamn fast off the line it doesn't matter much, and his stance is deceptively low for a guy as lanky as he is. Scouts will probably gush about him having a huge tool set on swims, arm unders, rips, etc., but what's really more impressive about him is how much his speed makes some of that irrelevant. Against LSU, he straight up was moving his arms fast enough that guys couldn't grab him regardless of if he actually bothered to swim or chuck off of it. Then you watch him against Oklahoma and he's just technically destroying some of the best interior linemen in the class off of 3-4 variations in disengagement moves. He's also not a guy who takes bad angles, and he's rarely going to be way off ball even with a boot or sprintout which typically means that he's got good vision while engaged. His motor on-field is good, but I do worry about if he has enough bulk to deal with NFL size linemen every week and if he's not going to gas himself by trying to hit gaps when they're not there. Projects best as a 4-3 guy playing 3 tech with maybe some 0-1 tech work in true pass rush situations where you either let him go right after the center with his moveset or straight to an A-gap, but it would be a bit of a waste to make him do 2-gap work all the time when he should be attacking gaps. He's the type of dude that Pete Carroll would be using a lot in his hybrid alignments. The Aaron Donald comparison is fair given how varied his moveset is and that he's a little light/fast for a DT, though Jonathan Allen is also pretty fair. Top 5 Christian Wilkins -Clemson Sort of odd in that he's 6'3 310 but has played everything from a 5-tech to a 0-tech in Venables scheme, though you won't want him wider than a 3-tech at the next level. He's absolutely got a great burst for his size at 310, but what's really impressive about him is the way his momentum works and how fast he makes decisions. Where Williams just tries to blow past dudes into space for a gap and uses his moves to complement that, Wilkins is a lot more varied and will go right at an interior lineman if he smells blood on early downs and usually win with some type of rip and under or up and under depending on leverage. His hand placement is elite and the main reason that he's so successful at any position, since he's usually the first well-placed hand in a battle. He's still plenty fast enough to gap rush, but the bonus of him being 310 is that he won't always have to. You could play him reasonably from a 1-3 tech at the next level and just keep moving him around based on down and distance, but I do worry that some coaches are going to ask him to 2-gap a lot which is a waste for him. His main benefits are how strong and fast he is at the legs, and 2-gap depends more on leverage and length to go at a guy rather than just getting past him. Already a + run defender who will put a pulling guard on his heels and collapse running lanes on an RPO while still disengaging in time to get a pass rush if needed. What I worry about with him is mainly that a DC is going to bury him on a chart by making him play everywhere when he really should be allowed to be a specialist at the next level. He compares well to Geno Atkins at the moment. 1st Dexter Lawrence - Clemson Best pure nose prospect in years. Legit 6-4 350 and long enough to play 0-tech for any situation or even 2-tech and 4-tech if you wanted to gently caress with a particular alignment. If you have a 3-4 defense, he's the best player in the draft from a standpoint of scarcity. No one is getting a push on him consistently, and he's fast enough that he still consistently got sacks. Usually, guys his size have conditioning issues, but I didn't see much of that on tape. He doesn't have a hell of a lot of moves other than a good rip and swim, which is surprising, but I also don't think he's been in many positions where those haven't worked just from a size standpoint. If someone teaches him a chop or a better pull into his rip, he's going to absolutely dominate matchups and shut down running games by himself. I see a lot of Haloti Ngata in him right now, and I think he could end up being that good for a very long time. Top 15 Ed Oliver - Houston Maybe the strangest of the prospects this year. He's undersized at probably 270-280 but the fastest interiors lineman in the draft in terms of pure speed. Has an unusual stance that really should cause him to be slow out of his gap/lose leverage, but his tape indicates that he's actually fast enough for it to work for him. Lack of size means he's vulnerable to a double-team taking him out and got lost in run support a lot against teams that were fast enough to get a double on him, whether that was in zone or power schemes. That said, he's been the most productive interior pass-rusher we've seen since Donald or maybe even Suh, and he's so fast with his Rip and Chop moves that he isn't going to lose much in a one-on-one situation, unless he's playing against a particularly lanky lineman with some real torque in his hands. I think he's a Michael Bennett (not the Ohio State one) type at the next level who will take some creativity to use properly but be a nightmare if he that happens. 1st Dre'Mont Jones - Ohio State Similar to Oliver in terms of build (probably about 285 right now) and game, he has a much more traditional stance and relies on speed out of the 3-tech spot. Gets called for more Offsides than anyone else on the list, usually off of him mis-timing a snap count. He has a very diverse move set with rip, swim, chop, and an armover all in regular rotation, and he could probably learn additional counters without much issue to change those up. He's a bit lean at the hips and may be a liability in the run game without a strong 1-tech next to him. I also hate the angles he takes in run support, with a lot of bad crashing straight at a runner's outside hip that will let them keep the middle and keep running. He loves to over-pursue in the pass rush and will get burned on draw/play-action regularly. Needs better discipline with his eyes and a good partner in the middle to be effective. Reminds me a lot of Taven Bryan from last year.1st-2nd Others Jeffrey Simmons - Miss St Probably belongs with the guys up top in terms of talent, but he also already has a DV charge and there's tape of him street fighting. Will drop because of character concerns. Can play anywhere inside and is one of the freakier athletes in line with Wilkins and Williams in terms of size/speed/strength. I hate that he only has a swim and an armover right now, so he's pretty raw technically, even though he doesn't seem to lose track of guys in space. He took plays off though, especially when it was clear that he was just making headroom for Sweat on that defense. He needs a good teacher but could end up the best DL in the draft with the right tutelage. Looks suspiciously like Chris Jones did out of there a few years ago. 2nd-3rd Jerry Tillery - Notre Dame Solid frame at probably 6'6 300, but he's a little taller than you like a 1-tech, so he might be playing 4-5 tech in a hybrid scheme and asked to two-gap, which I'm not sure he has the raw power for at the moment, though he is fast enough to at least get the drop on a guard once in a while. Arik Armstead. 2nd-3rd Isaiah Buggs - Alabama Classic Saban nose tackle who is huge space-eater that's quicker than he should be but constantly gassed and prone to taking plays off once the game is in hand. He'll get drafted out of scarcity but isn't going to be elite by any means whether it be moves or speed. A'Shawn Robinson 3rd Gerald Willis - Miami Consistent production but undersized at 280, meaning he's a 3-tech in a draft that already has 4-5 of those ahead of him. He's quick but lacks the burst of a Williams, Oliver, Wilkins, or Jones and will need to become far more technical than he is right now, though he'll still probably be effective at the next level. Adolphus Washington 3rd Ed Alexander - LSU Big guy at 330, but he's slow enough that you're playing him exclusively at 0-1 tech. Has some good swim and rip moves and counters but is limited by arm length and speed on how much else he can pick up. Jonathan Hankins 3rd-4th Terry Beckner - Mizzou 290-pound rush tackle who could play some 4-tech and 3-tech but has too tight of hips to go wider and too little muscle mass to go further inside. He's underweight but looks bigger than some of the 300-pounders on the list, not in the good way. Gets by on violent first step and hands but really needs to prove he can get in shape before he's getting to be a high pick. Mike Martin 4th Daylon Mack - Texas A&M Huge nose tackle who has gotten slower and slower with weight and lacks any type of consistent rush moves and stereotypical conditioning problems. Will make a roster off of his body type. Terence Cody 5th Olive Sagapolu - Wisconsin My sleeper pick for the year. He's 6-2 346 and regularly ate double teams on the Wisconsin line, but he bends better than you would expect and actually has pretty decent rip, pull, and chop moves that can get him loose if he isn't doubled. Doesn't have great closing speed, but that system rarely ever asked him to be a true threat so much as eat space for other guys to threaten. Beau Allen 6th-7th
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TheGreyGhost posted:Alright, so D-Line This is great thank you
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Anyone have Kiper's 1.0 Mock released today? insider2text.xyz is no longer. I know he has the Jets w/Quinnen and gently caress taking another interior DL.
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ESPN's bottom of the screen ticker has been showing that 135 players have declared for the draft and that that is some kind of record. Don't something like 224 players get drafted each year? Presumably they all declare for the draft at some point. So what record is ESPN talking about?
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Inspector 34 posted:ESPN's bottom of the screen ticker has been showing that 135 players have declared for the draft and that that is some kind of record. Don't something like 224 players get drafted each year? Presumably they all declare for the draft at some point. So what record is ESPN talking about? Maybe a record number for this exact date in previous years
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Inspector 34 posted:ESPN's bottom of the screen ticker has been showing that 135 players have declared for the draft and that that is some kind of record. Don't something like 224 players get drafted each year? Presumably they all declare for the draft at some point. So what record is ESPN talking about? Think it's record number of underclassmen
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Diva Cupcake posted:Anyone have Kiper's 1.0 Mock released today? insider2text.xyz is no longer. I'm kinda proud that none of us are dumb enough to pay for insider, but I'm still dumb enough to want to see this too.
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Inspector 34 posted:ESPN's bottom of the screen ticker has been showing that 135 players have declared for the draft and that that is some kind of record. Don't something like 224 players get drafted each year? Presumably they all declare for the draft at some point. So what record is ESPN talking about? They're talking about underclassmen that have declared. Edit: Kipers entire mock got posted on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/agxyze/kiper_mel_kipers_2019_nfl_mock_draft_10/ Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Kipers entire mock got posted on Reddit quote:7) Jacksonville Jaguars: Cody Ford, OT/G, Oklahoma Uh, like who? Tannehill? Also, Pats taking Daniel Jones at #29? Knock it off, Mel, you know better
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Bridgewater, Tyrod and Foles are the only guys of note headed to FA. I guess he's betting on Coughlin getting Eli down there which will end terribly
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Bridgewater, Tyrod and Foles are the only guys of note headed to FA. I guess he's betting on Coughlin getting Eli down there which will end terribly Flacco?
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ELO Musk posted:Flacco? He's probably a post June 1 cut given the cap situation
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Azhais posted:He's probably a post June 1 cut given the cap situation He's also probably an early June 1 cut given his contribution to the organization and they probably won't want to screw him over. Each year teams get to designate either 1 or 2 (I forget which) cuts as "post June 1" at the beginning of free agency. Basically one of those things where they can cut the player a break and let him look for a new contract during early free agency. I don't know if there will be a big market for him, but I'd imagine he'd be able to negotiate while everyone else is.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Bridgewater, Tyrod and Foles are the only guys of note headed to FA. I guess he's betting on Coughlin getting Eli down there which will end terribly Coughlin hates Foles, so I doubt it will be him
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Allbright has been floating the Foles to JAX rumors this week. Might be something there.
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Grittybeard posted:He's also probably an early June 1 cut given his contribution to the organization and they probably won't want to screw him over. Each year teams get to designate either 1 or 2 (I forget which) cuts as "post June 1" at the beginning of free agency. Basically one of those things where they can cut the player a break and let him look for a new contract during early free agency. Team could also trade him, right? Not for much of course but that might benefit Joe.
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Did you know he played basketball in high school applied to a quarterback:quote:Lock committed to play football at Missouri a few months later, a wise decision that led to him being a four-year starter, three-year captain and setting the SEC single-season record with 44 touchdown passes as a junior. But his high-level basketball background has resurfaced at the Senior Bowl this week. It’s a trait that scouts adore about his background, as it’s often the first thing they mention about his background. I have no idea what the point is even after reading the article. He's moderately to decently athletic, and playing basketball made him tough or something. And a good teammate, as though he wouldn't have been a good teammate playing football.
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Dibs https://twitter.com/GeneralBooty2/status/1088241082729664512?s=19
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Hahaha I forgot Freeze was at Liberty It’s so perfect
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Ehud posted:Hahaha I forgot Freeze was at Liberty What are the odds that he was asking for a brothel named General Booty and not the quarterback but has to play this cool now? Like 10-1?
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ew gross. didn't even know liberty had a football team, definitely not sure why you'd be excited about playing there
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Play posted:ew gross. didn't even know liberty had a football team, definitely not sure why you'd be excited about playing there Hugh Freeze is not the slimiest thing about Liberty's football program and it's not particularly close. They specifically targeted and hired Baylor's old AD who was there when all of that stuff went down.
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