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DrNutt posted:Much like Mitch McConnell she went on in her later career to make things much worse for black people so I'm not sure this is a good point. Bernie may have been the only candidate who voted for that disastrous 1994 crime bill despite his early civil rights involvement, but we don't really hold it against him. At the time it had broad bipartisan support including from prominent black leaders. Edit: 
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snorch posted:I'm flying into and back out of the US this weekend and I fear the airport will be a poo poo show on the way out Don't fear it, prepare for it. That way if somehow this is resolved by then, well, you'll at least have prepared yourself in case it wasn't.
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nine-gear crow posted:Isn't Gorsuch supposed to be a legit moron who has to be slow-walked through stuff by the other Justices? Maybe Sotomayor and Kagan have taken him under their wing and are deprogramming him bit by bit. Is there more reading you have for me on this? I've heard this before and I was curious what specific things he's done to prove he's a moron. Honestly curious, I never heard his name before Trump brought him up.
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Speaking of Howard Dean, I've been saying for a while that in today's political world, something as inoffensive as the Dean Scream would barely move the media needle. What if the Democrats put him up in the next election with the slogan, "Howard Dean: Hindsight is 2020."
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This was like 500 pages ago but props to whomever recommended Bag Man. There are some really strong parallels not only to Trump himself but the investigation in general. I was hooked from 5 minutes in.
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Killer robot posted:Bernie may have been the only candidate who voted for that disastrous 1994 crime bill despite his early civil rights involvement, but we don't really hold it against him. At the time it had broad bipartisan support including from prominent black leaders. But unlike Clinton and McConnell he also has a far better recent legislative record. I'm not saying it excuses his 1994 vote but it certainly makes that particular vote (which as you pointed out had broad bipartisan support at the time) more of an aberration than something to be concerned about going into primary 2020.
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VH4Ever posted:Don't fear it, prepare for it. That way if somehow this is resolved by then, well, you'll at least have prepared yourself in case it wasn't. I have taught you well, young padawan. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. 
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Uncle Ulty posted:Speaking of Howard Dean, I've been saying for a while that in today's political world, something as inoffensive as the Dean Scream would barely move the media needle. Nah, only Republicans are allowed to raise their voices
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So who do we have for actual contenders this primary, Bernie, Kamala Harris, Tulsi Gabbard,, Biden(?)?
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The Dean Scream wasn’t what sunk his campaign.
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kidkissinger posted:So who do we have for actual contenders this primary, Bernie, Kamala Harris, Tulsi Gabbard,, Biden(?)? Ojeda, Gilibrand, Klobuchar
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Lol Ojeda. gently caress that idiot.kidkissinger posted:So who do we have for actual contenders this primary, Bernie, Kamala Harris, Tulsi Gabbard,, Biden(?)? It's sad but I'd almost prefer Gillibrand or Warren, with all their faults, before the three names on that list that don't end in "ernie."
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Nail Rat posted:Is this a different Selma bridge March or are you 70 years old? Not judging if so just surprised. That's at least ten years older than the average goon! As old as the hills. Also a joke.
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VH4Ever posted:Is there more reading you have for me on this? I've heard this before and I was curious what specific things he's done to prove he's a moron. Honestly curious, I never heard his name before Trump brought him up. I don't have anything on hand but I do remember several stories posted in one of the old Trump threads after his first few cases on the SOCTUS bench where the general tone and implication was that he wasn't really prepared to hit the ground running as a Justice and that the general impression of him was that he was very incurious and simple in his deliberations and wasn't particularly well liked by the other 8 Justices just based off his work ethic.
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What a white thing to say.
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Rinkles posted:I forgot the Barr hearing was today Ughhhhhhh. I don't disagree with this in certain contexts. Like a violent, psychologically controlling rapist who also happens to traffic in heroin. If you can put him away for life on the trafficking then you don't need to put his victims through the stress of trial. There were plenty of things that I disliked about being a prosecutor but occasionally sparing a victim from talking about getting raped with a bowling pin in open court while still putting the rapist away forever. This is a very limited example, but it's not uncommon for prosecutors to hang the easy mandatory minimum on someone for a whole host of reasons (many bad). It's the reason I can't get behind blanket amnesty for drug offenses even though I'm 100% legalize it.
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Pylons posted:Ojeda, Gilibrand, Klobuchar Ehhhh, I'll add Gillibrand, but neither of those other two strike me as serious contenders. That's just my feeling though.
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kidkissinger posted:So who do we have for actual contenders this primary, Bernie, Kamala Harris, Tulsi Gabbard,, Biden(?)? It's way too early to say who's an "actual contender" but in addition to that list the names you see thrown around the most are Castro, Gillibrand, Warren, Booker, Klobuchar, and Beto. It's a wide open field.
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lol in a sane world he would have to resign for this, he's in a safe blue seat, gently caress him.
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twice burned ice posted:
What possibly compelled this man to say this? 
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Lightning Knight posted:lol in a sane world he would have to resign for this, he's in a safe blue seat, gently caress him. I want to hear more than that one stupid sentence, just to put it into stupid context.
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So Lawyer peoples, Mueller keeps filing all of these things with redactions. Do we get to see the full unredacted versions after the grand jury dissolves?
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DrNutt posted:But unlike Clinton and McConnell he also has a far better recent legislative record. I'm not saying it excuses his 1994 vote but it certainly makes that particular vote (which as you pointed out had broad bipartisan support at the time) more of an aberration than something to be concerned about going into primary 2020. So basically, he gets a free pass because you like him, and therefore black people were just stupid to have not voted for him.
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Could conceivably be context... maybe... What's his record like?
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KickerOfMice posted:I want to hear more than that one stupid sentence, just to put it into stupid context. My fiance bets that it's anime.
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hosed up, but probably would end the shutdown instantly. Sucks for those workers who would inevitibly be fired and have their lives destroyed. https://twitter.com/elisefoley/status/1085304820184113157 https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1085305841224466434
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Fulchrum posted:So basically, he gets a free pass because you like him, and therefore black people were just stupid to have not voted for him. Black people aren't stupid, but you sure are!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The Dean Scream wasn’t what sunk his campaign. yeah the dean scream was sort of a reaction to losing iowa which meant he had no real path to victory anymore. he was done before he took the stage.
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kidkissinger posted:So who do we have for actual contenders this primary, Bernie, Kamala Harris, Tulsi Gabbard,, Biden(?)? I don’t think Gabbard is an actual contender. Who’s her base? Bernie bros who aren’t going to vote for Bernie? Homophobic brocialist? Assadist? Hindu Nationalist? Maybe if Bernie wasn’t running she’d survive a few states from the first group, but I doubt even that. Also I’m pretty sure he’s running.
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Cable Guy posted:Could conceivably be context... maybe... From his website he is married to an asian lady!
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Charlz Guybon posted:hosed up, but probably would end the shutdown instantly. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say we are nearing late French Monarchy levels of incompetency If Republicans refuse to govern and the shut down gets bad, things are going to get dark real quick
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Edmund Lava posted:I don’t think Gabbard is an actual contender. Who’s her base? Bernie bros who aren’t going to vote for Bernie? Homophobic brocialist? Assadist? Muslim Nationalist? jill stein voters and russian twitter bots
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Cable Guy posted:Could conceivably be context... maybe... Looks closer to establishment Dem than progressive to me. He seems to be a thoroughly unremarkable backbencher.
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Cable Guy posted:Could conceivably be context... maybe... How have his constituents reacted?
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Jack2142 posted:From his website he is married to an asian lady! Married to a real life anime!
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karthun posted:Well, single payer god drat better be fully payed for as a permanent program. None of this 1-2 year of funding bullshit, 100% payed forever. The point is single payer doesn't need to be "paid for" because the federal government doesn't need revenue to pay for programs. The federal government just creates and spends money, and can never run out. It doesn't "use" tax revenue to enable it to spend on programs. All that happens when you pay your taxes is that money is deleted from your account and out of existence. In fact if you pay for your taxes in cash, the government literally shreds the money, since it's no longer needed. Now government does need to look at whether deficit spending will create inflation, so when looking at say a single payer system we would need to look at whether we have the resources available to match the spending allocated. And maybe we raise taxes on the rich to take money out of circulation so that we don't have high inflation. (Although actually I think in case of single payer there probably is little risk of inflation). But that's different than what we think of as the program being "paid for". Anyway that's my poor layman's job of explaining Modern Monetary Theory. . Here's pretty good primer on MMT which I just found https://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/powerpoints/7DIF.pdf theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jan 16, 2019 |
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DrNutt posted:But unlike Clinton and McConnell he also has a far better recent legislative record. I'm not saying it excuses his 1994 vote but it certainly makes that particular vote (which as you pointed out had broad bipartisan support at the time) more of an aberration than something to be concerned about going into primary 2020.  That did absolutely nothing to keep people from trying to smear Hillary for the very same bill while ignoring that he was even in Congress then. Seriously, so far as I can tell Bernie's worst personal thing on race was being a bit tonedeaf and dismissive of racial justice issues, rather than anything actively awful or anything. That's not great, but it's not surprising for an old white guy from a really white state. And he worked to improve that over the course of the election.
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theblackw0lf posted:The point is single payer doesn't need to be "paid for" because the federal government doesn't need revenue to pay for programs. The federal government just creates and spends money, and can never run out. It doesn't "use" tax revenue to enable it to spend on programs. All that happens when you pay your taxes is that money is deleted from your account and out of existence. In fact if you pay for your taxes in cash, the government literally burns the money, since it's no longer needed. two things: "paying for" a program makes it immune to being defunded via the appropriations process, which is a vital political protection untethered to monetary policy; and as to the bolded part - deficit spending by just printing money will absolutely create inflation, and very bad inflation. it is how hyperinflation occurs.
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