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Xelkelvos posted:Depends on how much cocaine she gets (it's probably none)
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Doltos posted:Who let /r/athiesm leak? it's pretty funny to think about what the SA thread would have been like, if this show had premiered in, say, 2005
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While it's definitely interesting to think about, there's almost zero percent chance that "The show is saying that capitalism is an inherently immoral system that taints us all" will be a credible take after the last episode of this season airs. I fully expect them to walk it in a different direction as that's at once too bleak, too "political", and too challenging a concept to expect from an NBC funny show. So we might as well post about what we think will end up being the issue by the time the season ends. I guess what someone above wrote which was like "the system tallies all the negative unintended consequences and externalities, but none of the positive ones" is the safest one. But I think we can do better
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my fear for the next episode is that one or more of the humans are going to get eaten by pancakes, in order to demonstrate unintended consequences to the judge. Trolley problem "sacrifice one Eleanor to save a billion souls" kind of deal.
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Ashrik posted:While it's definitely interesting to think about, there's almost zero percent chance that "The show is saying that capitalism is an inherently immoral system that taints us all" will be a credible take after the last episode of this season airs. I think they'll do what they kind of always have done, and what they even did with the "capitalism bad" mini-rant from this latest episode. They'll introduce a serious concept but abstract it enough so it's palatable to a wider audience, while still giving people who care enough to think about it enough to chew on. Like Michael's takeaway "this guy bought a flower but turns out there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" was "life has gotten more 'complicated' ". Both the original message is there for anyone to see but the lesson has the edges softened so people who don't want to think about it don't have to.
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Ashrik posted:I fully expect them to walk it in a different direction as that's at once too bleak, too "political", and too challenging a concept to expect from an NBC funny show. Eh Schur has always been political (Parks & Rec) and a gay black man is going to war with the NYPD over broken windows, stop and frisk etc on B99 so I don't think NBC cares as long as they make money.
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The AV Club has a really weird take on this last episode that isn't in line with the way I read it at all:av club posted:Tahani blurts out, in one of those tellingly highlighted statements designed to make our conspiracy antennae twitch, “There are so many unintended consequences to well-intentioned actions, it feels like a game you can’t win.” The alacrity with which Michael picks up those vibrations—and the Book Of Dougs—should make our antennae twitch even more. After all, Michael is holding onto the conviction that the real proof of the Bad Place hacking scandal is that Doug Forcett won’t get into the Good Place. Even though, as we’ve seen, poor Doug’s life of asceticism and pee-drinking is both only a desperate attempt to avoid personal damnation, and a moral exemplar only to those who wish to turn their existences into a panic-laden, groveling joke. Here again, Michael’s epiphany is deeply suspect. I didn't get the impression at all that Michael was lying about his epiphany, or that we are supposed to be suspicious of the discoveries he has made. I know it's the AV Club's job to overthink and overanalyze even the most basic of TV shows, but am I alone here? Did anyone else get the impression that Michael is not being truthful about the discoveries they just made about the point system?
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Ishamael posted:The AV Club has a really weird take on this last episode that isn't in line with the way I read it at all: I didn't think they were thinking Michael was lying, but he's wrong and that's not really the problem that needs to be solved. The only thing that has made me suspect Michael is hiding something is when he kicked Shawn through the door before he could finish his speech because it felt like he was worried Shawn was about to spill something. Also, is there a quality tv review site out there? AV Club has become pretty lovely.
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Ishamael posted:I didn't get the impression at all that Michael was lying about his epiphany, or that we are supposed to be suspicious of the discoveries he has made. I know it's the AV Club's job to overthink and overanalyze even the most basic of TV shows, but am I alone here? Did anyone else get the impression that Michael is not being truthful about the discoveries they just made about the point system? it's possible that michael is doing some kind of long con since, he is a demon who likes to torture people after all, and his face turn to de facto good guy was kind of abrupt but the show simply does not work post season one unless one of two things happen -michael rapidly sheds his eternity of demonic character and becomes a protagonist -you write ted danson off the show and there's only one real answer here
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luxury handset posted:it's possible that michael is doing some kind of long con since, he is a demon who likes to torture people after all, and his face turn to de facto good guy was kind of abrupt but the show simply does not work post season one unless one of two things happen I think it would actually be a crime to write national treasure Ted Danson out of anything. Instant guaranteed access to the Bad Place.
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Ishamael posted:The AV Club has a really weird take on this last episode that isn't in line with the way I read it at all: The AV club is terrible and has been for a while but that's a fun idea that Michael is still holding on to cards. I never trusted his sudden switch to being a good guy either.
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Michael still being evil makes zero sense. We saw him when he was being interrogated by Shawn and there were no members of the Soul Squad there so no reason to keep up the act.
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1glitch0 posted:Also, is there a quality tv review site out there? AV Club has become pretty lovely. I don't know of any good compehensive sites right now, but Alan Sepinwall (currently at Rolling Stone) does good reviews of the sort of shows he likes, including this one.
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Doltos posted:The AV club is terrible and has been for a while but that's a fun idea that Michael is still holding on to cards. I never trusted his sudden switch to being a good guy either. I don't know why I'm opening up the timeline can of worms again, but from Michael's perspective that one episode of season 2 was like 300 years. Plenty of time to get to know the humans and not want to torture them anymore.
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Mordiceius posted:Michael still being evil makes zero sense. If you're going down that rabbit hole, Janet was there, in disguise. If Bad Place management is trying to get a good place janet down to their level that'd be a fun twist. I don't think this is what the show is going for though, as that wouldn't gel with the tone that's been set.
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One little mystery that I'd love to see resolved is how Michael was able to get a Good Place Janet so easily. They made a point of calling it out in the second season, and Michael gave an off handed comment about the Good Place not considering the possibility of a Janet being stolen, but it felt like the show was hinting not to take that at face value.
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Honestly knowing what we know now I suspect the answer to that is "The Good Place either assumed they just made a bureaucratic error, or never got around to convening a committee to assign someone to investigate the matter"
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Given that the Good Place hasn't had anyone new admitted for so long they probably haven't needed any new Janets for that long either and the Janet warehouse has got a bit neglected.
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1glitch0 posted:The only thing that has made me suspect Michael is hiding something is when he kicked Shawn through the door before he could finish his speech because it felt like he was worried Shawn was about to spill something. This moment, and Michael's certainty in his rotating hypotheses, is pretty consistent with his S2/S3 shift in character: the demon's grasped that he should do good things to improve his friends' lives, but hasn't quite worked out the specifics. With the squad on the run, he's been frantically pulling metaphorical trolley levers all over the place. And when he kicks Shawn away, the joke is that it loses the group some information they (and we) really wanted to hear. We're watching this show, so of course we know they'll tear down a new status quo as soon as they finish building one up. And with Schur's love of callbacks, I doubt we'll never see Evil Michael come back out in some circumstance at some point in the (lol) future. But there's no way Michael's currently scamming the gang. having said all that, I'm guessing the time knife is about to gently caress things up real quick emgeejay fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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enki42 posted:One little mystery that I'd love to see resolved is how Michael was able to get a Good Place Janet so easily. They made a point of calling it out in the second season, and Michael gave an off handed comment about the Good Place not considering the possibility of a Janet being stolen, but it felt like the show was hinting not to take that at face value. this was explained in the most recent episode. the good place police are still arguing over which kind of cruelty-free paper they should use to print out the squad assignments for the case
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emgeejay posted:"Why let him keep saying mean stuff, right?" Time knife is just for cutting pancakes. That's all. The pancakes otoh...
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enki42 posted:One little mystery that I'd love to see resolved is how Michael was able to get a Good Place Janet so easily. They made a point of calling it out in the second season, and Michael gave an off handed comment about the Good Place not considering the possibility of a Janet being stolen, but it felt like the show was hinting not to take that at face value. from what we've seen of the Good Place so far he just walked right in and took a janet because nobody locked the door or questioned why he might be there *nervously touching face* "hi, i'm the... janet inspector, i'm here to take a janet to my janet inspection room, so i can make sure she's of the very best quality" "well, all our janets are as perfect as they can possibly be, but i don't see the harm in letting you have a look! one millionth door on the left  !"
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the time-knife is something from the Dune series of books, right? i'm pretty sure i remember this but search engines are just turning up knife sellers and a fictional screenplay from some video game. another goon posted the same reference earlier so i feel like i'm on pretty solid ground here 
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Dune was the crysknife
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Lutha Mahtin posted:this was explained in the most recent episode. the good place police are still arguing over which kind of cruelty-free paper they should use to print out the squad assignments for the case That does bring up an interesting thing though. The good place people could have had a Janet get them some bananas or whatever, but they didn't. Maybe they just don't really use the Janets, and so wouldn't notice if one was missing.
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seaborgium posted:That does bring up an interesting thing though. The good place people could have had a Janet get them some bananas or whatever, but they didn't. Maybe they just don't really use the Janets, and so wouldn't notice if one was missing. Janets do away with the need for subcommittees and focus groups so yeah, can't see the good place folks using them all that much
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1glitch0 posted:I didn't think they were thinking Michael was lying, but he's wrong and that's not really the problem that needs to be solved.
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Subtle knife was kind of a time knife I guess, but more of a space knife.
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Chidi drops the Time Knife, which cuts the part of the Jeremy Bearimy that connects the last y to the J, giving the afterlife an end date.
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BioEnchanted posted:Chidi drops the Time Knife, which cuts the part of the Jeremy Bearimy that connects the last y to the J, giving the afterlife an end date. You just know that whatever happens with the Time Knife, if it has anything to do with Jeremey Bearimy, it's gonna give him access to that dot above the i. Actually I just rewatched the Jeremey Bearimy episode, and Michael describes that dot as "where nothing, never happens". Wonder if that's gonna be the Pandemonium of the final episode? I know speculation is worthless, but it's fun.
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My wife kept thinking it was seize, not sees Therefore Carpe time knife.
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silvergoose posted:My wife kept thinking it was seize, not sees Also I before E except after C or at other arbitrary times I guess
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Azhais posted:Dune was the crysknife a work of fiction that spans many novels may have more than one reference to knives. kind of controversial i kno but, it's possible
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ZRM posted:You just know that whatever happens with the Time Knife, if it has anything to do with Jeremey Bearimy, it's gonna give him access to that dot above the i. All I know is that whatever happens with the time knife, if it has anything to do with Jeremy Bearimy, it'll make this thread insufferable for at least a week.
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Eleanor's offhand "maybe you're being tortured by megademons" made me revisit a theory I had early S2.
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oh jay posted:I think I'm understanding what I'm not aligned on you with. It's your definition of "after" The latter. It feels like Doug is showing that the latter is the case. That absolutely fits time not working in the afterlife the same way. If time isn't linear though then people turn up in the afterlife from any time at all and therefore the timescale doesn't make sense. If you don't experience linear time in the afterlife then someone can arrive there who was born in 2640 before a person born in 1640, at least theoretically.
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Taear posted:The latter. It feels like Doug is showing that the latter is the case. I might have read way too much into the Jeremy Berimy ep but I thought the whole point of illustrating the timeline with a signature was to imply it was mostly linear but not quite. Afterlife time isn’t quite linear in the same way we experience it but it’s kind of an impossible thing to build a satisfying narrative with any kind of perception of time that isn’t at least somewhat linear. I’m getting a little abstract here bc of weed but i think the show has been super clear on the fact that people die and go to the afterlife on the same linear time scale they lived under on earth Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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pwn posted:”Chidi! Seize the Time-Knife!” "Chidi sees the time knife? No, money down!"
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Lutha Mahtin posted:a work of fiction that spans many novels may have more than one reference to knives. kind of controversial i kno but, it's possible Are you thinking of that great epigraph about how Arrakis teaches the principle of the knife, "cutting off what is incomplete and saying, now it is finished, because it ended here"? Cos I'm racking my brain trying to think of something that could be considered a time knife, and that's the closest I've got. Unless it's from the prequels
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