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Ague Proof posted:Education Secretary Betsy DeVos in wheelchair after breaking her pelvis and hip socket in bicycle mishap. Pity it wasn't more.
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Sir Lemming posted:Lindsey Graham 1 hour later: "Mr. President, it is your DUTY to ban ALL Democrats from traveling" Expecting this.
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Radish posted:Yeah that speach was the most self indulgent gently caress you to everyone that thought she might do the right thing. Then the image of her clinking glasses with Manchin. gently caress her she's the worst. https://twitter.com/MuhFreezePeach/status/1049618084200239106
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Jan 17, 2019 21:34
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So this was also about Trump reaffirming his distaste for NATO
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KillHour posted:My (limited) understanding is thus: The need to permanently fund certain government programs has never been about having the cash to spend the money but instead on how to avoid a future congress from reappropriating the funding during the annular budget markup. Its to solve a political problem, not a financial one. I see all opposition to permanently pay for a green new deal as opposition to the permanent existence of a green new deal, same with M4A.
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Jan 17, 2019 21:39
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This is exactly the kind of petty bullshit that makes people STILL blame Newt for that shutdown.
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Jan 17, 2019 21:40
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The caveat with MMT is that the debt and defecits are don't matter...until the point at which they do. And that point can be hard to determine, and depending on how debt is allocated, others can manipulate where that point lies. In the long run, resolving defecit spending and some tranches of the debt would be a worthwhile endeavor. That's really something to worry about once we've resolved the current collection of trash fires, though.
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Retro42 posted:This is exactly the kind of petty bullshit that makes people STILL blame Newt for that shutdown. love living in a timeline where that record was broken for any even dumber reason. https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1086000411910254592
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Rip Testes posted:So this was also about Trump reaffirming his distaste for NATO This is a coincidence at best, he was just looking for the fastest and must accessible way to hurt Pelosi.
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Jan 17, 2019 21:43
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Retro42 posted:This is exactly the kind of petty bullshit that makes people STILL blame Newt for that shutdown. I dunno that trying to get Pelosi assassinated while visiting a warzone is petty.
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VideoGameVet posted:Pelosi should self fund the trip and suggest Trump do the same if he needs to travel. Nah, the problem is once it is public knowledge it has to be postponed. Senior government officials can’t openly travel to war zones, especially not on a commercial flight. But hey, Pelosi didn’t need to do this. She is a San Francisco Democrat. The only way she loses her seat is if she is primaried or if Dems lose the House again. The net result of this is Trump looks petty. I wouldn’t be surprised if more Republicans publically condemn this too if it gets enough press, because Trump also endangered everyone on the trip, including our troops.
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The democrats are going to cave and Trump is going to get his wall. They simply can't compete with this level of trolling.
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So, uh obviously this gets cancelled but in the odd chance this isn't any Airmen on that bus are gonna be in a hell of a pickle over whose orders they follow.
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You know, that Atlantic article that's going around has me thinking, maybe the house should just go ahead right now with impeachment on some of the things Trump has publicly done that are deserving of impeachment. I appreciate not wanting to do it week one, waiting for the Mueller investigation to complete, and wanting to do a bit of their own investigation into some of the crimes. It's perfectly reasonable to want to have the ducks in the row before moving forward. But the thing is Trump hasn't committed an impeachable offense, he's committed so many of them that we'll still be dealing with his crimes a decade from now. So why not get one impeachment procedure going as some shutdown leverage. It's a win-win-win. Trump backs down on the wall in exchange for holding off on the proceedings; democrats go back to waiting for the other investigations to complete and do a really thorough job of it next time. It goes to the senate and the senate doesn't do anything despite the facts being that Trump is unfit for office; oh well, we're still where we started from and Trump has lots of other crimes you can impeach him for when investigations are done. Trump actually gets impeached? President Pence is a shithead of the highest order but he's not going to self-destruct over Trump's wall. And then you arrest Trump and likely impeach Pence when the investigations are done. I feel like ramping up the pressure on Trump is a positive thing right now and that's one of the levers that congress has. So why not use it?
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Ague Proof posted:Education Secretary Betsy DeVos in wheelchair after breaking her pelvis and hip socket in bicycle mishap. lmaowned
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karthun posted:The need to permanently fund certain government programs has never been about having the cash to spend the money but instead on how to avoid a future congress from reappropriating the funding during the annular budget markup. Its to solve a political problem, not a financial one. I see all opposition to permanently pay for a green new deal as opposition to the permanent existence of a green new deal, same with M4A. I'm for permanent existence of M4A and a GND, but if the price of permanence for both of these is it being fully paid for, that is going to incur a level of cost on not just the rich but the middle class as well, for no economic justification, but because of a political problem due to our budget procedures. Which is why I think I think we need to change our budget procedures so we can have some permanent programs that don't have to be "fully paid for". How that works yet I don't know as I don't know enough about budget law to say so.
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Random Stranger posted:You know, that Atlantic article that's going around has me thinking, maybe the house should just go ahead right now with impeachment on some of the things Trump has publicly done that are deserving of impeachment. I appreciate not wanting to do it week one, waiting for the Mueller investigation to complete, and wanting to do a bit of their own investigation into some of the crimes. It's perfectly reasonable to want to have the ducks in the row before moving forward. But the thing is Trump hasn't committed an impeachable offense, he's committed so many of them that we'll still be dealing with his crimes a decade from now. So why not get one impeachment procedure going as some shutdown leverage. Eh right now this minute there's about as much pressure on him as there can be. He's also losing his base which has historically never happened. An impeachment proceeding right now might just get in the way of that by firing up tribal loyalties. It should definitely happen sometime this year but let's not gently caress up a narrative we're winning
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my bony fealty posted:Oh yeah for sure. No doubt there are students everywhere uncomfortable being shoved into a binary gender box, and many at institutions that don't respect or recognize that they could ever not be a cis BOY or GIRL. Heck yeah! Even just from when I was in high school is so massively different, and I tear up on the regular hearing about all the enby kids who can just, be their proud unabashed selves today, versus when I was sneaking around the public library to find the two trans books they had - both of whom were written by people who ended up needing to sever pretty much everything and move somewhere far away to actually come out and live as themselves. And sure, Gen Z will have people who'll take up the cause of screaming against every scrap of progress, but it appears they'll be vastly outnumbered. e: spelling reitetsu fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Random Stranger posted:You know, that Atlantic article that's going around has me thinking, maybe the house should just go ahead right now with impeachment on some of the things Trump has publicly done that are deserving of impeachment. I appreciate not wanting to do it week one, waiting for the Mueller investigation to complete, and wanting to do a bit of their own investigation into some of the crimes. It's perfectly reasonable to want to have the ducks in the row before moving forward. But the thing is Trump hasn't committed an impeachable offense, he's committed so many of them that we'll still be dealing with his crimes a decade from now. So why not get one impeachment procedure going as some shutdown leverage. I don't entirely disagree, but I also wouldn't be particularly surprised if it just makes Donald (who, never forget, is incredibly stupid and not at all a rational actor) just become more intransigent because 'gently caress you', while the GOP rallies tighter to him because impeachment is a more typical partisan sort of fight.
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Impeachment doesn't do jack unless they can bring down Pence as well While a GOP Senate may convict Trump (not likely, but non-zero), they will never convict Pence
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Impeachment doesn't do jack unless they can bring down Pence as well If a Republican senate convicted Trump Pence would be in a bunker waiting the rapture or have probably ran off with a few stallions to somewhere in Mexico.
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Does Lindsey Graham actually want both all three branches of government to be gathered with a token security force? Seems like a patently horrible idea to me, it's not "sophomoric" to suggest not doing it.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Impeachment doesn't do jack unless they can bring down Pence as well Pence is a nightmarish shithead who should be kept as far away from high office as possible, but I doubt he'll actively work to destroy the United States so that's still a step up from Trump.
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theblackw0lf posted:I'm for permanent existence of M4A and a GND, but if the price of permanence for both of these is it being fully paid for, that is going to incur a level of cost on not just the rich but the middle class as well, for no economic justification, but because of a political problem due to our budget procedures. It would be a constitutional amendment to remove the power of the purse. But then again by removing this power from congress could give the executive the power it needs to unilaterally enact these programs it would also give the executive the power it needs to unilaterally cut these programs. Do you think this is a good idea?
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Bear in mind that the Atlantic sustains itself in no small part as a medium of persuasion directed toward the powerful. Its ability to indirectly influence broad social discourse has diminished over the decades, but is still way higher than you'd think. The impeachment article will have been held and timed based on some editorial strategy.
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Remember how we were talking about which states Dems had to win in 2020 to take the Senate? https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/1086004502078078976
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Impeaching now looks like you're playing politics in response to the shutdown. And it would be, since waiting for the Mueller Report has been everyone's green light already anyway
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Random Stranger posted:Pence is a nightmarish shithead who should be kept as far away from high office as possible, but I doubt he'll actively work to destroy the United States so that's still a step up from Trump. I disagree. Pence is a loving theocrat-in-waiting. Give him any real power and he will do more lasting damage than I want to think about.
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Yeah, actively saying "We're gonna impeach Trump... unless he opens the government" seems like a disastrous unforced error that undermines not only the idea of impeaching Trump but the Democrats' negotiations in general.
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Retro42 posted:I disagree. Pence is a loving theocrat-in-waiting. Give him any real power and he will do more lasting damage than I want to think about.
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karthun posted:It would be a constitutional amendment to remove the power of the purse. But then again by removing this power from congress could give the executive the power it needs to unilaterally enact these programs it would also give the executive the power it needs to unilaterally cut these programs. Do you think this is a good idea? I'm saying revise congressional budget procedures so congress can pass legislation that can have permanent set appropriations without it being fully paid for. So to clarify to make sure I understand right, things like medicare don't need to have congress vote for appropriating the budget for it each year, because it's an entitlement and the amount is guaranteed (unless they intentionally pass a law to cut appropriations). Whereas something like the ACA needs congress to approve the appropriations each year?
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Crows Turn Off posted:Trump isn't a true believer, but he's still trying to do the exact same things at the direction of Pence and his "spiritual leaders." Think of it this way. President Trump shutdown the government over a stupid wall even his own party doesn’t want. Pence would do it over planned parenthood or something similar and the entire GOP would love him for it.
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Retro42 posted:I disagree. Pence is a loving theocrat-in-waiting. Give him any real power and he will do more lasting damage than I want to think about. Nah, he would run into the same problem Trump has been since January 3rd. House Dems wouldn't let him do anything substantial. The only real risk would be if Ginsberg dies during his term, in which case he might nominate a theocratic fascist to SCOTUS. But at this point that's a risk I'd be willing to take.
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Retro42 posted:Think of it this way. President Trump shutdown the government over a stupid wall even his own party doesn’t want. Pence would do it over planned parenthood or something similar and the entire GOP would love him for it.
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