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Iamgoofball posted:I'm a few pages late to the discussion of the NPC dehumanization but it's absolutely done with the "subtle" implication that so-called "NPCs" are free fire targets. It's a meme tailor made for sociopaths and teaching impressionable youths that actually empathy is wrong because not only is your personal narrative correct but everyone else isn't even human so don't feel bad when they suffer, are thrown in a concentration camp, shot by police, whatever
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"well, trump may have <worst thing he did>, but i'm not voting for a babykiller!" - 40% of america at least, 2020
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tote up a bags posted:"well, trump may have <worst thing he did>, but i'm not voting for a babykiller!" - 40% of america at least, 2020 This is, sadly, what I'm expecting. The tribalism is too endemic and polarized.
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Jan 18, 2019 16:22
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Xpost from Trump thread: With respect to RWM I'm expecting them to ignore this for as long as possible, or dismiss it flippantly ala Giuliani when they are forced to acknowledge it. Cohen is supposed to be testifying soon, yeah? This is fine, Noble Patriots! It's perfectly normal to collude with foreign powers that we considered a threat to democracy up until we allowed them to finance Republican political campaigns via dark money and the NRA!
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Jan 18, 2019 17:27
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tote up a bags posted:"well, trump may have <worst thing he did>, but i'm not voting for a babykiller!" - 40% of america at least, 2020 Are any Vietnam vets even running in the Democratic primary? Seems like an unlikely splitting point anyway given trumps base. e: disregard, I forgot about abortions Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 17:36
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OneEightHundred posted:If you think the shutdown fight is fun, just wait until we get to the debt ceiling fight in a few months when orange moron is thinking "haha I defaulted on my debt a bunch of times, I don't see what the big deal is" and Team Talk Radio is urging him on. That might be the one thing that could get the Senate GOP off of their asses and override a veto. They might if their accountant yells at them and holds them at knife point saying "the fortran mainframes that are the atoms of the of Fin system literally dont know what to do if the US doesn't make payments." e: Maybe, something something The inmates run the place now. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 18:35
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twistedmentat posted:Trump is too dumb and stubborn to give in for less than his 100% perfect dream wall. You can't reason with him by letting him claim that future plans or just increasing boarder patrol agents and fencing being the same thing as the wall. There is no "dream wall." He does not give a gently caress about the wall. The only reason the "wall" even became a thing is because Sam Nunberg and Roger Stone needed something dumb and memorable so he wouldn't forget immigration entirely in his campaign speeches. The only thing he cares about is maintaining the fraud and juicing up his base by telling people at his rallies that there's going to be a wall even when he's not doing anything to get it built, but Coulter called his bluff and now he's desperately trying to realize the lie that he's been telling his base. The real problem is slightly different: The Democrats don't want to be in the position of giving Trump any sort of deal on anything that looks like a wall unless he's getting very obviously screwed by it. They know that the path of least resistance is no wall, and the path of second-least resistance is a DACA-for-magic-beans poo poo sandwich deal, so they're not going to offer anything else. Trump will absolutely take a poo poo sandwich deal where he gets screwed, is too stupid to realize he got screwed, and will sell it to his base as a total victory. The real problem is that Coulter will not accept that and will sink any compromise as weak, resetting the entire process, which (combined with Stephen Miller doing the same thing) is what sunk the DACA-for-wall-money deal last time. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 19:32
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Regarding the shutdown, instead of his dumb impeachment ads, I'd like to see Steyer get with some TSA, CBP, etc. leaders and give financial aid to everyone that participates in coordinated sick-outs - cover lost pay, legal fees that might result from the action, assistance if they're fired in retribution, etc. Right now he's essentially flushing millions down the toilet, this would be infinitely more effective. Assuming he's not just doing the billionaire version of virtue signalling. The people at the open end of this CAN'T take action like that on their own and risk termination or even lost pay for when they do eventually get checks. Someone needs to step in and provide serious financial assistance and backstop them. If the TSA, even just in Atlanta, all got the blue flu the first weekend in February I think that would put too much pressure on the Senate to keep ignoring this and pretending they serve at the pleasure of Trump. Or he could just make a new ad to tell everyone how awful Trump is and how he needs to be impeached yesterday. Not really RWM, but Steyer is a visible uber-rich white guy making GBS threads out useless media so it's close.
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So I guess there was an anti-choice rally in DC today and the headliner was Ben Shapiro and the highlight of his speech was saying that he was so pro-life he wouldn't even kill Baby Hitler knowing full well he would go on to preside over the murder of millions of people.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:11
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That one's always struck me as a stupid moral quandary. The problem wasn't Hitler (he was still a mass-murdering racist fuckhead, don't get me wrong), it was that he had the fortune to live in a suitably proto-fascist society that would be amenable to his message. Does anyone really think that if you did go back in time and kill Hitler as a child there wouldn't be some other shithead who'd rise to power in a similar way?
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Jan 19, 2019 01:18
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The pro life march is always so sad. And usually creepy.Keeshhound posted:That one's always struck me as a stupid moral quandary. The problem wasn't Hitler (he was still a mass-murdering racist fuckhead, don't get me wrong), it was that he had the fortune to live in a suitably proto-fascist society that would be amenable to his message. Does anyone really think that if you did go back in time and kill Hitler as a child there wouldn't be some other shithead who'd rise to power in a similar way? I mean, "stupid moral quandary" is the entire point of the "baby Hitler" thing.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:18
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Keeshhound posted:That one's always struck me as a stupid moral quandary. The problem wasn't Hitler (he was still a mass-murdering racist fuckhead, don't get me wrong), it was that he had the fortune to live in a suitably proto-fascist society that would be amenable to his message. Does anyone really think that if you did go back in time and kill Hitler as a child there wouldn't be some other shithead who'd rise to power in a similar way? Cool sonderweg, where'd you get it, the obsolete ideology store?
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Jan 19, 2019 01:20
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The Nazis had to work really hard to get Germany under their control. Following WW1 Anything that suggested "make Germany great again so we can go to war again" was a tough sell to a huge number of people. An entire generation had been sold on the glory of war to defend the Fatherland and then came back missing limbs or not at all, and they were not going to join up for another war. Nazis only gained power because they managed to bring in the other conservative groups and literally beat the rest of the population into submission.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:26
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Keeshhound posted:That one's always struck me as a stupid moral quandary. The problem wasn't Hitler (he was still a mass-murdering racist fuckhead, don't get me wrong), it was that he had the fortune to live in a suitably proto-fascist society that would be amenable to his message. Does anyone really think that if you did go back in time and kill Hitler as a child there wouldn't be some other shithead who'd rise to power in a similar way? You're right. We have to go back and kill everyone.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:34
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Fox News is currently doing a segment about Tulsi Gabbard apologizing for her previous homophobic beliefs based on her Conservative upbringing and it includes a Conservative gay dude arguing that there should be room for people to evolve and she did good and its very confusing and weird.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:37
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twistedmentat posted:The Nazis had to work really hard to get Germany under their control. Following WW1 Anything that suggested "make Germany great again so we can go to war again" was a tough sell to a huge number of people. An entire generation had been sold on the glory of war to defend the Fatherland and then came back missing limbs or not at all, and they were not going to join up for another war. Nazis only gained power because they managed to bring in the other conservative groups and literally beat the rest of the population into submission. That's overselling it a little, because there was still a very significant faction of the population that had swallowed the Dolchstoßlegende hook, line and sinker and was baying for blood. The 20s in Germany see a lot of conflict over symbols like the commemoration of war dead and what that means for the future, or what flag to fly (Black-white-red versus black-red-gold). They definitely only got into power because of the botched response to the global financial crisis and the alliance with traditional conservatives though.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:You're right. We have to go back and kill everyone. No we just go back and date all their mothers so they're never born
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Keeshhound posted:That one's always struck me as a stupid moral quandary. The problem wasn't Hitler (he was still a mass-murdering racist fuckhead, don't get me wrong), it was that he had the fortune to live in a suitably proto-fascist society that would be amenable to his message. Does anyone really think that if you did go back in time and kill Hitler as a child there wouldn't be some other shithead who'd rise to power in a similar way? It is a totally no win question. Would you go back and kill Genghis Khan? No? You loving XXXist. Yes? Gratz you saved millions! But mankind then ended in 1500's when the Viking Church declared world war on the Innuit Confederation and nuked everyone Or we live in a perpetual hippy Space Woodstock today. gently caress knows but you still wiped out a lot of generations of not existing that would have. You've denied more life than those who died. Then again if it may ensure Shapiro is never born, might be worth the risk.
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happyhippy posted:It is a totally no win question. That one's actually easier to win, I think. "Would you go back in time and kill Genghis Khan?" "gently caress no, he's the progenitor of like 5% of the entire world's population." At least with the Hitler question you don't have to worry about time paradoxing his descendants.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:59
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Hitler's mom has got it goin on Hitler's mom has got it goin on Hitler can I come over to kill you-u-u-u-u (to kill you) Morally, is ending you okay to do-o-o-o? (okay to do) wait a sec, a zygote isn't sapient yet (sapient yet) I feel okay bout handing her abortofa-a-acients (plan B mints)
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Jan 19, 2019 07:41
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Ben Shapiro arrives too late to stop time-travelling assassin from mortally wounding baby Hitler. He can still save him, but to do so, he has to help the German government institute better healthcare services through taxes on the rich. What then?
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sheep-dodger posted:That's overselling it a little, because there was still a very significant faction of the population that had swallowed the Dolchstoßlegende hook, line and sinker and was baying for blood. The 20s in Germany see a lot of conflict over symbols like the commemoration of war dead and what that means for the future, or what flag to fly (Black-white-red versus black-red-gold). Yeah, it is really overstating it. Considering how popular Hidenburg was, and was first elected in 1925, and his support came from people who wanted to destroy the republic and bring back the Kaiser, there was always a good half (at least!) of the country that played into and wanted authoritarianism of some kind, i.e, "only a strong man can govern Germany", etc.
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Jan 19, 2019 08:47
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"Baby Hitler" perfectly describes Ben Shapiro's demeanor.STAC Goat posted:The pro life march is always so sad. And usually creepy. Large groups of reactionary religious fucks walking around with picket signs usually is. Most of these people would probably support abortion if an unexpected pregnancy happened to them, it's just they have been so browbeaten by Fox News and talk radio into responding to slogans and in-group tribalism on this issue even more so than tax cuts.
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Jan 19, 2019 10:07
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That Pence speech... just loving say we want to over turn Roe v Wade, it’s like our sole legislative mission... apart from systematically exterminating all LGTBQ people, obviously Why even bother with the pussy footing and coded language, everyone knows what’s up
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Jan 19, 2019 10:12
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Kraanerg posted:That Pence speech... just loving say we want to over turn Roe v Wade, it’s like our sole legislative mission... apart from systematically exterminating all LGTBQ people, obviously It's to give plausible deniability to idiots in the media like this guy: https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1086277650396569604 "Pence didn't say he literally wanted to get rid of Roe v Wade and kill all the gays so we give the take that he is a fundamentalist extremist 3.435 Pinocchios."
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Jan 19, 2019 14:56
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STAC Goat posted:The pro life march is always so sad. And usually creepy. The annual one in Ottawa includes a lot of catholic school kids who get the day off class to go to the march, and then they skip the speeches and hop over to the big mall near Parliament Hill.
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Jan 19, 2019 15:34
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RWM is spiking the football amidst self-validated cries of "WITH HUNT" over this: Mueller's office disputes BuzzFeed report that Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/mueller-statement-buzzfeed/index.html Mind you, the report doesn't say WHICH aspects of the story are being disputed (and I did pause when I saw the story was from Buzzfeed) and, further, all it demonstrates is EVEN MORE LIES, which is really, to me, the crux of the entire issue. Why is everyone loving lying so much? But, nope. This means Trump is totally innocent, nothing to see here and all of this is a conspiracy. Time to move on and wrap it up.
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Leofish posted:The annual one in Ottawa includes a lot of catholic school kids who get the day off class to go to the march, and then they skip the speeches and hop over to the big mall near Parliament Hill. I remember school administration (and certain teachers) showing pictures of it back in high school. It'd always be the same 3-4 students in the pictures because the rest hosed off. Even at 16, I found it hilarious.
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BiggerBoat posted:RWM is spiking the football amidst self-validated cries of "WITH HUNT" over this: Behind The Bastards did a good 2 parter on American Fascism back in the 1940s and this quote in Part 2 has stuck with me for a while now: Henry A. Wallace posted:The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection. 
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GoutPatrol posted:Yeah, it is really overstating it. Considering how popular Hidenburg was, and was first elected in 1925, and his support came from people who wanted to destroy the republic and bring back the Kaiser, there was always a good half (at least!) of the country that played into and wanted authoritarianism of some kind, i.e, "only a strong man can govern Germany", etc. Most of that group really wanted restoration of monarchy and the traditional "extra votes if you're rich" system from before the war though. It would have been significantly different from the actual nazi regime.
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WaPo is reporting that Meuller's rebuttal says NONE of the story is accurate so I dunno. But I know what FOX and the gang are going to be driving home this week. gently caress, Buzzfeed, I hope you didn't poo poo the bed on this one.
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Keeshhound posted:That one's actually easier to win, I think. Bad example, sort of. If I asked you 10 years after Khan started, you would have said yes. My point is the more time since it happened, the more damage you cause than you save. GREAT SCOTT! If you went back now and killed Hitler, you saved 6-10 million, but also just wiped out a X generations of people who would no longer exist. The only correct answer I can think to this is 'No, but if I could time travel I would do something like the film Millenium and take them to the future.'
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happyhippy posted:Bad example, sort of. If I asked you 10 years after Khan started, you would have said yes. I would do something like the book Millenium and gently caress a robot. Besides, time travel merely results in branching timelines, so no real harm is done. I'd set up a lucrative business of arranging curated hunting trips of various fascists throughout history, such as Hitler, the guy from Home Alone 2 who tells Kevin where the bathroom is, etc.
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happyhippy posted:Bad example, sort of. If I asked you 10 years after Khan started, you would have said yes. There's also the possibility that if you go back in time and murder Hitler before he can, you know, be Hitler then something even worse would happen instead. It's easy to say "but it would prevent a genocide if you just killed this one person so it would be worth it" but are you really sure that one death would prevent the Holocaust?
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Ask them if they'd go back in time and abort Obama, Hillary, FDR or...duh...duh...duuuuhhhh... GEORGE SOROS!
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