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Crossposting: Interesting to see that the journalists who published the story are emphasizing the Mueller team's reaction. Also, https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1086426180448907265 It's absolutely a peculiar statement from Mueller camp because they are denying having the specific evidence, not denying that Trump ordered anything to that effect. Who knows, until someone involved speaks to it at more length, it's hard to say what aspects of the story are true and which aren't. The one peculiar thing of this is that the journos involved were saying that their information was coming from people separate from the Mueller investigation, eg either from SDNY or a separate FBI investigation that was already ongoing before the Mueller investigation started up, which we know was indeed happening as the Russian lawyer was already actively the subject of a wiretap at the time of the trump tower meeting.
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I didn't even noticed they slimmed him too.
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So, it sounds like this lying thing turned out to be a huge nothingberder.
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Ya know, qanon and the fox right wouldn't let the statement discourage them they'd just claim it as a victory anyway so we should too.
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thanks buzzfeed you loving morons for bolstering the Fake News bullshit we have to hear from chuds constantly. that dumbfuck who dropped the scoop should be persona non grata for ever.
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Mr. Powers posted:So, it sounds like this lying thing turned out to be a huge nothingberder. the core conflict seems to be the special council saying 'no they do not have access to trump org communications where this was ordered' which isn't 'this is not true' but loving christ it's gonna become that thanks to these idiots getting sloppy!
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Gnossiennes posted:i agree with a lot of what you're saying here, but that is not southern baptist at all. I guess it's weird where I live, because the Southern Baptists do that down here.
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FBS posted:As retweeted by Our Dear Leader: I’m more interested if he actually posts something concrete. Cohen is still going to get asked at the hearing and he’s “probably” still going to say trump made him lie. Everything else is fuzzy. Trump making an official statement here is dangerous because trump will lie about some part of it and Cohen will very shortly be under oath.
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Buzzfeed deserves scorn but we should probably do a little self reflection about buying into it whole sale despite no corroboration and "Suck it mainstream media and your antiquated rules!"
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sexpig by night posted:the core conflict seems to be the special council saying 'no they do not have access to trump org communications where this was ordered' which isn't 'this is not true' but loving christ it's gonna become that thanks to these idiots getting sloppy! I think you may have misunderstood. I wasn't trying to make any real statement. Just jokes.
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just lmao at all the posters ITT claiming that NYT and WaPo were "dinosaurs" for not running the story, and how buzzfeed is the future of journalism
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STAC Goat posted:My guess/reading is that its probably true that Cohen is claiming Trump told him to lie but it was probably complete bullshit that Mueller had corroborating witnesses or evidence. Which was the really breaking bit about the report. We knew he was told to lie and coordination happened, having hard evidence of that is a much bigger deal.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1086429658797797376 I mean the accusation isn't even that the actual bombshell, that Trump told Cohen to lie to congress, is false. They're disputing the specific description of the evidence of it.
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I'm trying to be positive here and not snarky or engage in histrionics. I'm reading the statement apparently from the special counsel's office and this could be interpreted so many different ways. "Trump actually ordered Cohen to do theta, A, and L, but they're saying Trump gave the order for Y." "We don't have any text messages to corroborate this. We have emails, hard copies, faxes..."
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Crossposting: Regardless Mueller's statement has given Trump control of the narrative again in a much stronger way than he had previously.
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Seph posted:just lmao at all the posters ITT claiming that NYT and WaPo were "dinosaurs" for not running the story, and how buzzfeed is the future of journalism I’m just glad I went to sleep early last night and so wasn’t involved in any of the discussion.
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Sorry im just getting caught up what did the buzzfeed article state?
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bobjr posted:Dick Bott can’t be a real name Literally triple checked to make sure it wasn’t a prank or hallucination
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More from Trump's Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086431078280323072 https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1086425845873422336 https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1086427054499876864
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Grapplejack posted:Regardless Mueller's statement has given Trump control of the narrative again in a much stronger way than he had previously. Cool, so back the shutdown he was losing? cr0y posted:Sorry im just getting caught up what did the buzzfeed article state? It said that there was a shitload of evidence on top of COhen's testimony that Trump had instructed him to lie to congress about the Trump Tower Moscow negotiations. It also said that Cohen was giving regular, detailed updates the the Trump kids
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STAC Goat posted:Buzzfeed deserves scorn but we should probably do a little self reflection about buying into it whole sale despite no corroboration and "Suck it mainstream media and your antiquated rules!" Let’s not forget how quickly this thread exploded while buying into the Koi Pond story. This thread is always “react first, think second.”
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Grapplejack posted:Regardless Mueller's statement has given Trump control of the narrative again in a much stronger way than he had previously. so back to the shutdown news which he is still loving up.
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FBS posted:As retweeted by Our Dear Leader: Deleted, what was it?  https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1086420605904277504
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Grapplejack posted:Regardless Mueller's statement has given Trump control of the narrative again in a much stronger way than he had previously. Eh depends, the ball is back in Buzzfeed's court because they are still backing the story. Notably, the reporters involved were talking about their evidentiary source exists separately from the Mueller investigation and was from another investigation pre-dating the Mueller investigation, so the extremely specific language of the rebuttal may end up being relevant. At this point, the story is still just salvos being fired from each side. If the story is as patently false as the Trump camp would like it to be, we will see a quarter billion dollar defamation suit filed against buzzfeed, however I very strongly suspect that we will not see that.
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Seph posted:just lmao at all the posters ITT claiming that NYT and WaPo were "dinosaurs" for not running the story, and how buzzfeed is the future of journalism Yeah, that got a good laugh out of me. I always view those posters as basically saying "NY TImes and Washington Post run a bunch of lovely op-eds! That discounts them in their entirety!"
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Gonna be funny if Mueller’s spokesman sends out another message “addendum: we obviously said that the story was factually incorrect stop overthinking things. End transmission.”
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All y'all in this thread are so ready to drop hot takes on the state of the media and accept framing, it's a developing story, give it a bit. Eddie Brock got fired but he turned out to be right in the end.
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CHEF!!! posted:Yeah, that got a good laugh out of me. I always view those posters as basically saying "NY TImes and Washington Post run a bunch of lovely op-eds! That discounts them in their entirety!" NY times is rightfully poo poo on for a number of reasons, including carrying water for the Bush administration.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Eh depends, the ball is back in Buzzfeed's court because they are still backing the story. Notably, the reporters involved were talking about their evidentiary source exists separately from the Mueller investigation and was from another investigation pre-dating the Mueller investigation, so the extremely specific language of the rebuttal may end up being relevant. It all depends how Trump “officially” reacts. Guilliani(I don’t loving care if it’s spelled wrong), jr, Kush, etc are all going to cry foul obviously. If Trump literally says Buzzfeed is lying I’ll be interested.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Gonna be funny if Mueller’s spokesman sends out another message “addendum: we obviously said that the story was factually incorrect stop overthinking things. End transmission.” Tbh I almost half expect them to do this. Currently both sides are absolutely gnashing at their bits in support of whichever narrative they prefer, which certainly speaks to the extent that that story, at the very least, seemed believable enough to penetrate that deeply. Retro42 posted:It all depends how Trump “officially” reacts. Guilliani(I don’t loving care if it’s spelled wrong), jr, Kush, etc are all going to cry foul obviously. If Trump literally says Buzzfeed is lying I’ll be interested. After the Gawker trial, a slamdunk defamation lawsuit is a free quarter billion suit that will get settled for 50-100mill. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Bugsy posted:Deleted, what was it? It looks like they just protected their account, but it was just basically "FAKE NEWS!!!"
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Tbh I almost half expect them to do this. Currently both sides are absolutely gnashing at their bits in support of whichever narrative they prefer, which certainly speaks to the extent that that story, at the very least, seemed believable enough to penetrate that deeply. https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedBen/status/1086434282921287680 They want that too
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Didn't some WH lackey hedge so hard on this that a Fox commentator called them out on it? "That isn't a denial" sort of thing? I dunno, I get the feeling that Mueller didn't make that correction for nothing, if only to keep the media from muddying the waters somehow.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/1086419880025284608 Notice that they didn't deny the substance of the claims, just said that "specific statements" and "documents obtained" "were not accurate". For that matter, it says "documents obtained by this office", not "documents in the possession of this office". So if the information is in a document obtained by the SDNY, and passed on to the SCO, that would be true. I mean, I am cautious about the Buzzfeed news. But the SCO hasn't denied the substance of the claims.
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