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Eh, that sounds like Disney EU detractors grasping at straws, Gray apologized and they corrected it without doubling down. (I didn't know either it was a slogan either)
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It's not a well known slogan/Organization. You could go ask 400 on the street what it meant to them and the majority would probably think it was some new hashtag.
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And also, to reiterate, when the connection was raised, the author immediately said "oh crap, did not know that, my apologies" and changed it. No doubling down, no explaining it away as having a different context within Star Wars, just an apology and a fix.
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You guys. The point is not that anyone confused Claudia Gray for a secret Nazi. She's obviously not. The point is that it's hilarious that Disney keeps hiring writers who either trip over fascist references or think drawing facile similarities between the empire and the rebellion is what makes characters complex
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Van Dis posted:You guys. The point is not that anyone confused Claudia Gray for a secret Nazi. She's obviously not. The point is that it's hilarious that Disney keeps hiring writers who either trip over fascist references or think drawing facile similarities between the empire and the rebellion is what makes characters complex So you're saying she shouldn't have been hired because she inadvertently used the slogan? What?
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I am saying someone along the way probably should have noticed the Nazi phrase and bought it to someone's attention before the book got printed. Mostly though I am saying it is very funny that no one did, and also that somehow Disney's Star Wars keeps on bumping into fascism, and that is probably worth thinking about medium-hard.
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As has been made SUPER clear here, not a lot of people knew that was a Nazi phrase. I somehow doubt LFL has a bunch of WWII historians proofread their star wars novels
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Honestly it's kind of a miracle they have anyone proofread them. Baen exists, after all.
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From what I've heard they are very hands off, they give authors a general idea and let them go wild. You could probably make the Vong canon again if you were determined enough.
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Preechr posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbEEQxtnkHE In the defense of Triumph of the Will, Leni Riefenstahl demonstrates such powerfully groundbreaking techniques in cinematography, direction, musical use, all aspects of filmcraft both purely technical and artistic.....the influence of that film and her career is without question. Try watching Olympia (1938) for a less politically charged but equally, if not more, impressive demonstration of her brilliance. If you take cinema seriously at all you need to examine her work.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Honestly it's kind of a miracle they have anyone proofread them. Baen exists, after all. Agreed. Personally if I were an author writing pithy phrases I'd google them to see if they'd already been used by like a laundry detergent marketing campaign or oppressive fascist regime. But that's just me.
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I think it's more a reflection of the sorry state of historical knowledge and social studies in general that authors who want to make commentaries on fascism don't actually know a whole lot about the actual history of fascism, especially sci-fi authors who probably mainly fixate on STEM stuff. But that goes way beyond authors hired by Disney. Just look at some of the incredibly stupid things that Neil deGrasse Tyson has said in that last few years that demonstrate his complete lack of humanities knowledge.
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LeJackal posted:In the defense of Triumph of the Will, Leni Riefenstahl demonstrates such powerfully groundbreaking techniques in cinematography, direction, musical use, all aspects of filmcraft both purely technical and artistic.....the influence of that film and her career is without question. Try watching Olympia (1938) for a less politically charged but equally, if not more, impressive demonstration of her brilliance. Seriously. DW Griffith was a huge racist shitbag, but it doesn't mean that anyone who uses a close-up in their movie is a Klan sympathizer.
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General Battuta posted:From what I've heard they are very hands off, they give authors a general idea and let them go wild. You could probably make the Vong canon again if you were determined enough. Finally, my time has come.
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Wait a few months and you might just see the Vong show up in the Clone Wars season 7.
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General Battuta posted:From what I've heard they are very hands off, they give authors a general idea and let them go wild. You could probably make the Vong canon again if you were determined enough. Maybe with the story but authors have to outline everything for approval according to something Justina Ireland said on a panel which seems a little cumbersome if you're used to coming up with your own process. In any case, I expect the Vong thing is true. And I like it when newer creators breathe life into something old because I'm always curious about other fans' head-cannons. tadashi fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Cover for Alex Freed's Alphabet Squadron (which is also now a trilogy of novels): They also announced a Marvel tie-in miniseries: TIE Fighter  quote:From a certain point of view, the rebels are traitors to the Empire, putting the innocent people of the galaxy at risk. In the last days of the Galactic Civil War, an elite squadron of TIE fighter pilots, known as Shadow Wing, is assembled to protect Imperial interests.
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That sounds very much like how Tie Fighter the game spun things. So that's kind of exciting.
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I hope the alphabet squadron explodes and fails due to ad hoc units not being able to effectively cover each other.
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Alphabet Squadron is a dumb name. Sorry.
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I would have gone with something like Aurek Squadron (less clunky, keeping within the alphabetical theme) but idk maybe that's too referential
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Arcsquad12 posted:I hope the alphabet squadron explodes and fails due to ad hoc units not being able to effectively cover each other. I’ve seen this argument and I suspect the book is going to treat them like a limited-scope commando unit where everyone is a “specialist”. It’s basically multiple squadrons but scaled down to individual units - saying it can’t work is like saying the fighters at the Battle of Endor should have been hosed because there were four different types. No, they each had a role to play and stuck to that role. I’m not expecting Alphabet Squadron to get into Battle of Scarif-scale engagements, but having them hit isolated targets is more than feasible. It’s the same idea as any “hero” shooter game like Overwatch or whatever, it isn’t about being in lockstep with the slowest person and having everyone’s flaws cripple the team, it’s about synergies and maximizing strengths. Not to mention, I’ve literally flown “alphabet squadrons” in videogames like X-wing vs TIE Fighter, etc.
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Cross-Section posted:Cover for Alex Freed's Alphabet Squadron (which is also now a trilogy of novels): So how about an accompanying game?  I have little hope though, Disney and Lucas seem a little adverse against having "heroes" on the side of the empire.
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EA canceled an open world SW game this last week. I think they need to get their license yanked.
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I'm honestly surprised Disney doesn't seem to have an in-house company that makes games. It's strange that they seem to be so passive about Star Wars games. We all know what Disney's chief concern is as a company, so let's not beat about the bush: they're losing out on potentially millions they could be making off Star Wars games and I have no idea why they're allowing themselves to do so.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm honestly surprised Disney doesn't seem to have an in-house company that makes games. It's strange that they seem to be so passive about Star Wars games. We all know what Disney's chief concern is as a company, so let's not beat about the bush: they're losing out on potentially millions they could be making off Star Wars games and I have no idea why they're allowing themselves to do so. i mean disney is handling marvel games well. make all the money off mobile poo poo and then give IPs to good devs who want to make great games. so we get stuff like Spider-man. they should do that with star wars. id love to see machine games make a star wars game.
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Granted, I don't think there's been a good Star Wars game (outside the Lego ones) since about 2005. Haha! 
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Forces of Corruption came out in 2006.
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They do still have Old Republic and their lovely mobile games, so they are fulfilling their bargain, but AAA releases are drying up for them with two Star Wars projects canceled and Battlefront 2 putting all of their eggs in one basket. Why make a story based FPS when you have battlefront? Why make a Jedi game when you have battlefront? Why make a space dogfighter sim when you have Battlefront?
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Are there any half-decent Star Wars mobile games? Or are they all money sinks?
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Arcsquad12 posted:They do still have Old Republic and their lovely mobile games, so they are fulfilling their bargain, but AAA releases are drying up for them with two Star Wars projects canceled and Battlefront 2 putting all of their eggs in one basket. Why make a story based FPS when you have battlefront? Why make a Jedi game when you have battlefront? Why make a space dogfighter sim when you have Battlefront? i mean, i liked the BF2 campaign for what is was. wish there was more too it but it felt like the battles i had with my action figures. i kinda wish they just made battlefield but star wars though.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean, i liked the BF2 campaign for what is was. wish there was more too it but it felt like the battles i had with my action figures. i kinda wish they just made battlefield but star wars though. I don't share the sentiment. I agree with Raycevick in this video. The whole video is really good, but the relevant part starts at 8:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1C7Hc6rZSs Why is it considered "good" storytelling when a bad guy converts to the heroes' side, betraying everything they've ever stood for (in the span of a single mission), but a good guy doing the same is considered sloppy storytelling? It doesn't matter if it's Star Wars or not, that stretches credibility and it just feels like a lazy cop out on EA's part rather than committing to a true evil perspective. It also flies in the face of their marketing where they tried their damndest to play up how the game would be from the Empire's perspective and show a new side of Star Wars. They just drop the whole Empire thing two seconds into the plot so they can get to a typical hero story with a billion cameo appearances by big name Star Wars characters. They marketed it as a Tie Fighter style look inside the Empire and then ditched it at the earliest convenience because you can't focus a story around the bad guys unless they inevitably become good. There is never going to be another Tie Fighter so long as Disney, Lucasfilm or whoever ends up owning the license is afraid of pushing boundaries regarding what is acceptable in Star Wars. If I want a good action figures duking it out game, I'll just play Battlefront 2 the good version with a load of custom maps. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jan 20, 2019 |
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BF2 2005 is not and was never all that good. I was there. New BFII made some good steps forward in space battles and other areas, but their replacement for Walker Assault sucks. So bad that I haven't played in months.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I don't share the sentiment. I agree with Raycevick in this video. The whole video is really good, but the relevant part starts at 8:30 I think another reason it's considered better writing is because a story about how someone abandons their oppressed friends to join slavers and eugenicists that is also a story for kids is not a good look.
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I don't play video games so I can't comment on the quality of the game but in that video it says that the producers of the game were forced to make that character choice (of an imperial defecting to the resistance) because of the game's relationship to The Last Jedi, not because it's an easier pill to swallow by any political metric. Frankly I think Disney is leaning into sympathizing with imperials enough already. Look at the Thrawn books, or Lost Stars, or Tarkin, or Phasma, or the newly announced Tie Fighter comic, or or or Like, how many stories are there gonna be about the Empire being just chock full of good noble upstanding galactic citizens, who were snowed by the big bad guy. In their tie-in media at least, Disney is really trumpeting the idea of the Empire as a valid political alternative that was simply mislead by a bad apple and his enforcers. That was certainly what Lost Stars was doing, and it's pretty gross.
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Casimir Radon posted:EA canceled an open world SW game this last week. I think they need to get their license yanked. God dammit. I’m the guy who still loves open world games (I’m currently playing the poo poo out of Assassin’s Creed Odyssey) so I would have loving loved this. Lemniscate Blue posted:Are there any half-decent Star Wars mobile games? Or are they all money sinks? Galaxy of Heroes is their biggest mobile game right now. It can largely be a money sink if you let it (I know someone who has literally spent thousands on the game. He’s crazy), but I’ve been playing for over 2 years now, have spent maybe $15 just to throw some money to the devs for a game I’ve gotten that much time out of, and am ranked pretty high. It can work as F2P, you just have to be really loving patient. I enjoy it, and there are goon guilds to help.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I don't share the sentiment. I agree with Raycevick in this video. The whole video is really good, but the relevant part starts at 8:30 i mean i agree but i saw the "twist" coming a mile away. if the campaign had been longer and you did more missions for the empire and the rebels so the turn was better paced. the biggest issues for me is the pacing. like compared to say another FPS shooter like titanfall 2, its poo poo. hell even the BFV campaigns was better.
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