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Imo, explicitly and righteously calling out the wall as racist could work in the Dem's favor. Let him deep throat his foot trying to deny it while not pissing off his base.
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qkkl posted:Trump is basically saying that he'll stop the deportations for his current term, but if he wins a second term then the deportations will resume. By rejecting the deal the Democrats would be saying that they aren't confident they can beat Trump in 2020. This sign of weakness would not be overlooked by American voters. $5 billion is not enough to finish the wall, he wants to make sure he can dangle DACA in front of Dems again when he needs more money for it. By then the courts will have overturned the injunction preventing him from ending DACA and since signing up to work under DACA means you have to give the Feds all your information they know exactly where all these people are.
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Sab0921 posted:Baylor College of Medicine is unaffiliated with Baylor University. Baylor pre-med is very well-regarded though, unless I'm very mistaken.
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CascadeBeta posted:Ahahahaha what is this smoothbrained take? Worse, it's qkkl
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the wall is not popular. trump can't win this. https://twitter.com/ByronTau/status/1086685218076090368 Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:the wall is not popular. trump can't win this. lol https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1086692106905751552
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Xequecal posted:$5 billion is not enough to finish the wall, he wants to make sure he can dangle DACA in front of Dems again when he needs more money for it. By then the courts will have overturned the injunction preventing him from ending DACA and since signing up to work under DACA means you have to give the Feds all your information they know exactly where all these people are. To push this further, “giving” the Dems DACA and TPS is basically giving them something they already have via the courts. Art of the Deal indeed.
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They're also saying he was just smiling and listening to the music, so what's the problem?
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Jan 19, 2019 19:36
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Zwabu posted:The only way Trump could start to win on this shutdown is if the media begins to portray the situation after this afternoon's farce as "Trump and the GOP have made their offer, why won't the Democrats be reasonable and make a counteroffer?" and portraying it as a reasonable negotiation instead of a hostage taking. For the GOP and Trump to pull it off they'd need Fox solidly on board and I suspect that offering three years of DACA for a small fraction of the funding needed for the wall isn't going to be popular with the racists at Fox.
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qkkl posted:Trump is basically saying that he'll stop the deportations for his current term, but if he wins a second term then the deportations will resume. By rejecting the deal the Democrats would be saying that they aren't confident they can beat Trump in 2020. This sign of weakness would not be overlooked by American voters. This is a hell of an interpretation
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Tibalt posted:So he's offering a bad trade that has no democratic buy in, and doesn't counter the Pelosi PR campaign of "we're not going to negotiate on basic governance for your racist monument." Basically. I'm sure there's gonna be some handwringers like Tapper who are gonna whine about how gee whiz maybe the dems should just take the deal and call it a win but if this really is the deal it's gonna be like his last address where everyone goes 'ok that changed nothing then'
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Retro42 posted:To push this further, “giving” the Dems DACA and TPS is basically giving them something they already have via the courts. They won't have anything from the courts for long. The temporary injunction preventing Trump from ending it is 100% likely to be overturned by the SCOTUS, that injunction is almost as much activist bullshit as the ruling that overturned Obamacare.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the wall is not popular. trump can't win this. The one good thing to come of the internet: it has become increasingly impossible to hide from your lovely past self, and being judged on who you used to be accurately is a good thing. Be all our sins remembered, forevermore.
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Jan 19, 2019 19:41
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The one good thing to come of the internet: it has become increasingly impossible to hide from your lovely past self, and being judged on who you used to be accurately is a good thing. Be all our sins remembered, forevermore. Our last, like, ten pre-Internet Presidents never would have been elected if it had existed 
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Jan 19, 2019 19:43
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Our last, like, ten pre-Internet Presidents never would have been elected if it had existed That is a problem... how?
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qkkl posted:This sign of weakness would not be overlooked by American voters. Hot af
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Our last, like, ten pre-Internet Presidents never would have been elected if it had existed Jimmy carter is a saint.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Our last, like, ten pre-Internet Presidents never would have been elected if it had existed Counterpoint: Trump Trump is our first president who had a big personal internet presence prior to running for office. His internet presence was (and is) dumb as gently caress and he still got elected.
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Jan 19, 2019 19:47
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The one good thing to come of the internet: it has become increasingly impossible to hide from your lovely past self, and being judged on who you used to be accurately is a good thing. Be all our sins remembered, forevermore. Good opportunity to quote one of my favorite lines from The Wire “The past is always with us. Where we come from, what we go through, how we go through it; all this poo poo matters. Like at the end of the book, ya' know, boats and tides and all. It's like you can change up, right, you can say you're somebody new, you can give yourself a whole new story. But, what came first is who you really are and what happened before is what really happened. It don't matter that some fool say he different 'cause the things that make you different is what you really do, what you really go through.”
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Pakled posted:Counterpoint: Trump the problem is he also had a popular reality show that gave a false image of who he was.
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FizFashizzle posted:Jimmy carter is a saint. Playboy interview. Admitting he found women other than his wife attractive.
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I feel like "these children aren't irredeemable" doesn't really address what most people are saying and is an attempt to change the subject to something other than racism actually being a problem.
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theblackw0lf posted:Good opportunity to quote one of my favorite lines from The Wire Which season/episode is this from? Is this D'Angelo, when he was in prison?
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Ague Proof posted:Playboy interview. Admitting he found women other than his wife attractive. Pence tightly grabs his prayer towel.
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https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1086694424116117504 Even Murkowski is saying Trump needs to reopen the government first before any deal
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Ague Proof posted:Playboy interview. Admitting he found women other than his wife attractive. I really do not understand why that was such a big scandal. You show me a red-blooded heterosexual married man who has never looked at a woman besides his wife and gone "yeah, she's really hot" and I'll sell you some lovely beachfront property in Kansas.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1086694424116117504 Even loving Murkowski gets it. There's no way this "deal" goes anywhere.
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https://twitter.com/GoodTipLeaver/status/1086685921418928131 https://twitter.com/1impossible_grl/status/1086689957006045184 https://twitter.com/tmeddieaz/status/1086694839645655042
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I really do not understand why that was such a big scandal. You show me a red-blooded heterosexual married man who has never looked at a woman besides his wife and gone "yeah, she's really hot" and I'll sell you some lovely beachfront property in Kansas. It was the 70s. You didn't have two generations of people who grew up with the Howard Stern show and cable TV comedians openly talking about masturbation habits etc.
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DaveWoo posted:Even Murkowski is saying Trump needs to reopen the government first before any deal This enrages the mcmagic
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I really do not understand why that was such a big scandal. You show me a red-blooded heterosexual married man who has never looked at a woman besides his wife and gone "yeah, she's really hot" and I'll sell you some lovely beachfront property in Kansas. Surely the 'scandal' was that it was hilariously Puritan guilt for something that's completely normal?
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He's a vet that fought in General Bone Spurs in Chief's place, but I'm sure they'll drag him through the mud anyways because vets only count when they toe our line
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Phobic Nest posted:So the Indigenous Peoples March happens to fall on the same day as the March for Life and naturally this is how the "pro-life" behave. I wonder if any of their fellow Christians thought to tell them it's not cool haha yeah right. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a malicious reason for why they both take place at the same time given how "Christians" and "pro life" assholes work.
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How many times are the networks going to let him lie that this speech is an "emergency" when it's really him just repeating the same lies over and over again until enough dumb people believe him by sheer virtue of being on televisions They should offer to broadcast it on tape delay so they can vet it first.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I really do not understand why that was such a big scandal. You show me a red-blooded heterosexual married man who has never looked at a woman besides his wife and gone "yeah, she's really hot" and I'll sell you some lovely beachfront property in Kansas. Yeah. Sex drive doesn't turn off for other people just because you get married. The same thing that attracted you to your husband or to your wife will attract you to other people. Not acting on that and betraying trust by cheating is what's important. Look but don't touch. And try not to ogle someone while your SO is watching. Also maybe don't have an emotional affair either.
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Ague Proof posted:Surely the 'scandal' was that it was hilariously Puritan guilt for something that's completely normal?
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Zwabu posted:Which season/episode is this from? Is this D'Angelo, when he was in]prison? Spoilers dude  And yep
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Groovelord Neato posted:the wall is not popular. trump can't win this. No, I can't say I've ever gone to a native rally and mocked a vet.
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Pakled posted:Counterpoint: Trump Yeah, but the one prior was a black man that scared a lot of racists and this one was saying everything out loud those racists have been screaming internally for those eight years prior. I'm not saying this is the single reason, but it is a large factor
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