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American McGay posted:I've still got my old XBR960 in the basement. It's stupidly large and even though it's the best CRT ever made I doubt I could pay someone $50 to haul it away. Find your nearest Super Smash Bros. Melee tournament scene.
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American McGay posted:I've still got my old XBR960 in the basement. It's stupidly large and even though it's the best CRT ever made I doubt I could pay someone $50 to haul it away.
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EL BROMANCE posted:The PS4 doesn't, for reasons I can't understand. Rights issues to something perhaps? That's the only thing I can see Sony nickel and diming over, it's not like the laser is incompatible or anything. I mean that's literally the Blu in Bluray
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Jan 19, 2019 15:27
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Yeah but presumably Blu-ray players have a laser pickup for audio cds too?
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So you're saying no one would jump on my VT60 when I switch to OLED in a year or two?
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zer0spunk posted:So you're saying no one would jump on my VT60 when I switch to OLED in a year or two? Yea I have an ST60, but I just moved it to my bedroom when I picked up an X900f. I really doubt anyone would pick it up, despite when new being considered to have one of the best pictures ever or whatever. Tvs are just so cheap now that I really don't think there's much resale potential.
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If you want some entertainment, go browse Craigslist for plasmas. Mine is a mix of ridiculously priced 42" models and more reasonably priced larger models. I used to see the same thing with DSLRs. The people who bought the low end models couldn't ascertain that their purchase would drop in value over time, but the people buying the higher end stuff did their homework and listed it at a price that could actually sell. Edit: As someone with a 42" 1024x768 plasma panel, I must admit that the idea of buying a $200 65" plasma is pretty tempting. Unfortunately you have to worry about the possibility of the power supply dying after six months. BeastOfExmoor fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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BeastOfExmoor posted:If you want some entertainment, go browse Craigslist for plasmas. Mine is a mix of ridiculously priced 42" models and more reasonably priced larger models. I used to see the same thing with DSLRs. The people who bought the low end models couldn't ascertain that their purchase would drop in value over time, but the people buying the higher end stuff did their homework and listed it at a price that could actually sell. I thought about it myself, at least to replace my own old plasma that I still hold onto for older games. Many of them are just going to have image retention issues and uneven aging with color uniformity so I probably won't. I imagine second hand OLEDs years down the line will be similar. EDIT: In some ways I preferred my plasma over OLED, motion being the biggest, plasmas are still incredible for that, also I prefer the color for certain media, not sure if it's due to accuracy versus a weird offset, but watching cartoons, CG animated films or playing colorful, saturated games on plasma is still a bit more appealing to me than OLED in some cases. Older games especially I only play on my plasma because the jankier framerates and choppiness PSX era to 360 era games were more prone to is mitigated somewhat by plasma's strengths. That being said it's likely mostly nostalgia bar the better motion, I had that TV for eight years. Still can't beat OLED's contrast, viewing angles, image quality, blacks, whites, and brilliant HDR performance. EDIT 2: Actually, which plasma models were considered the best panels? Mine is an LG 42" which is basically one of the most common that people owned. I was never very well informed on which companies and particular models had the best performance and picture quality. I'm actually starting to considering buying one again. Lil Swamp Booger Baby fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 20, 2019 |
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JebanyPedal posted:EDIT 2: Actually, which plasma models were considered the best panels? Mine is an LG 42" which is basically one of the most common that people owned. I was never very well informed on which companies and particular models had the best performance and picture quality. I'm actually starting to considering buying one again. Certain Panasonic models, and before that the Pioneer Kuro.
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Not sure where to ask this but a TV is involved so I’ll ask here. My cousin has a 2018 Dell XPS 13 that he’s trying to use as a media device for his living room. He wants to be able to screencast directly to his TV (VIZIO E600i-B3), but we haven’t been able to find any solutions aside from a Chromecast, but that only works with the Chrome Browser (as far as we know) and he prefers Firefox. He’s seen my setup at home where I often screencast directly from my iPad to my Apple TV, and he wants something that works similar to that, albeit with his Dell. Does anyone have any recommendations for this, or know of a better thread to ask this question in? Thanks! Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jan 20, 2019 |
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Monday_ posted:An HDMI cable? Might I refer you to my original post: Verisimilidude posted:Not sure where to ask this but a TV is involved so I’ll ask here. My cousin has a 2018 Dell XPS 13 that he’s trying to use as a media device for his living room. He wants to be able to screencast directly to his TV (VIZIO E600i-B3), but we haven’t been able to find any solutions aside from a Chromecast, but that only works with the Chrome Browser (as far as we know) and he prefers Firefox. He’s seen my setup at home where I often screencast directly from my iPad to my Apple TV, and he wants something that works similar to that, albeit with his Dell. An HDMI cable would work, but it’s not wireless, nor is it screencasting.
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So he wants to do it in a far more clumsy and dumb way than an HDMI cable?
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EL BROMANCE posted:So he wants to do it in a far more clumsy and dumb way than an HDMI cable? I press a button on my MacBook and I’m casting to my tv. Not sure how that’s clunky, and that’s what he’s looking for.
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Jan 20, 2019 07:06
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I'm not sure if that TV supports it but my TV supports wireless screen casting from any android device, much how the apple TV supports screen casting from the iPad. Maybe he can use some kind of android emulator for the PC and then screencast it via that?
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A Proper Uppercut posted:Yea I have an ST60, but I just moved it to my bedroom when I picked up an X900f. I really doubt anyone would pick it up, despite when new being considered to have one of the best pictures ever or whatever. Tvs are just so cheap now that I really don't think there's much resale potential. There are a few plasma purists (like me) who still aren't quite sold on OLED or LCDs for various reasons. I've looked at 2 or 3 used Panasonic plasmas, with serious intent to buy, if they didn't have any issues. But if you look hard enough at an old plasma, you are probably going to find issues. (I brought a USB drive with me with some test patterns for grayscale, uniformity, color purity, etc. ) I turned down one because while it had no detectable burn in or uniformity issues, it was just too dim for my living area, and it had overly aggressive ABL. I turned down another because it had slight burn-in from a particular network logo, and one side of the screen had a slight pink tint. But if your plasma is still basically perfect, to the right buyer it might be worth a hundy or two.
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100% Dundee posted:I'm not sure if that TV supports it but my TV supports wireless screen casting from any android device, much how the apple TV supports screen casting from the iPad. Maybe he can use some kind of android emulator for the PC and then screencast it via that? Hmm his might support android casting! That could be interesting. I’ll suggest it, that’s a clever idea!
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Androids do screen casting as well ... It's called Smart View.
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Number_6 posted:There are a few plasma purists (like me) who still aren't quite sold on OLED or LCDs for various reasons. I've looked at 2 or 3 used Panasonic plasmas, with serious intent to buy, if they didn't have any issues. But if you look hard enough at an old plasma, you are probably going to find issues. (I brought a USB drive with me with some test patterns for grayscale, uniformity, color purity, etc. ) I turned down one because while it had no detectable burn in or uniformity issues, it was just too dim for my living area, and it had overly aggressive ABL. I turned down another because it had slight burn-in from a particular network logo, and one side of the screen had a slight pink tint. But if your plasma is still basically perfect, to the right buyer it might be worth a hundy or two. I'll let you know when I upgrade. I bought the VT60 in the last month they were available in dec of '13, didn't realize the box was basically twice the size of the TV which made it incredibly impractical to move about and put setting it up on the backburner.... until summer of 2017 (didn't mean to take 3 years to use it, trust me). It's only fed by kodi, so no channel logos/bugs ever, and a constant rotation of aspect ratios. It's been pro calibrated. Because it was made in the last manufacturing batch it avoided all the weird fan/buzzing issues that seemed to be an issue for people. I baby this thing, it has a fraction of the hours it should have considering when I bought it, 0 burn in.... good to know some AVS nerd would be into it when I make the 4k jump. It'll be hard to give up, the thing is a beast for 1080 content.
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Number_6 posted:There are a few plasma purists (like me) who still aren't quite sold on OLED or LCDs for various reasons. I've looked at 2 or 3 used Panasonic plasmas, with serious intent to buy, if they didn't have any issues. But if you look hard enough at an old plasma, you are probably going to find issues. (I brought a USB drive with me with some test patterns for grayscale, uniformity, color purity, etc. ) I turned down one because while it had no detectable burn in or uniformity issues, it was just too dim for my living area, and it had overly aggressive ABL. I turned down another because it had slight burn-in from a particular network logo, and one side of the screen had a slight pink tint. But if your plasma is still basically perfect, to the right buyer it might be worth a hundy or two.
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Reading the last few pages of this thread, I realized that I'm woefully uninformed when it comes to this stuff. I've had an itch for physical media recently and I've been buying what seemed like the best available format in Ultra HD 4K blu-rays (loooove the black cases) since I've seen a few of my favorite movies pop up in Amazon sales recently for $10-$15. Right now, I have a Samsung plasma (PN51F5300AFXZA) that I bought in 2013. I've been planning to buy an OLED television in the next one to three years, at which point I figured I would be able to enjoy my little collection at their peak display quality, but now I'm thinking that I have more limiting factors than just my TV itself. First, my blu-ray player is my regular PS4, and it sounds like that won't even read the file format of the 4K discs. So, that's a non-starter. But even if I got a dedicated blu-ray player that could handle 4K content, I would still need to plug it directly into the TV because my random HDMI switcher from five years ago probably can't handle that signal either. Dang. It seems like my pathway forward on those items is straightforward, although I'm interested in recommendations for dedicated 4K blu-ray players (is it right that XBone S is the way to go for that?) and 4K HDMI switchers. Beyond that, though, I'm curious, since the OP is fairly old at this point: is there anything meaningful on the horizon? I saw stories about the rollable TV (not interested) and mentions of 8K, but that sounds like it's a decade-plus out until it would be at a similar price point to current OLEDs. Is that it?
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If you want a games console that does UHD too, then get the bone. If you just want a UHD player then get a normal player. Pretty much all receivers now should support all the latest hdcp and hdmi protocols, so it’s not down to a few models or just expensive ones now. I think some UHD players do multiple hdmi out too so you can run video to tv and audio to an old amp if that’s an issue.
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surf rock posted:Beyond that, though, I'm curious, since the OP is fairly old at this point: is there anything meaningful on the horizon? I saw stories about the rollable TV (not interested) and mentions of 8K, but that sounds like it's a decade-plus out until it would be at a similar price point to current OLEDs. Is that it? 8K is theoretically the next thing up on the horizon, but another raw resolution bump is going to have, at best, diminishing returns for consumers. I personally can't really see individual pixels on a 4K 80" when I'm standing next to it, so making them 25% their current size won't accomplish much. The electronics industry seems addicted to selling people a spec bump every few years. They successfully sold people on three tiers of HD in the last decade (720P, 1080P, 4K) and have every incentive to continue until people stop buying. Whether or not 8K will succeed, or will go the way of the short-lived curved screens and 3D remains to be seen. If I had to guess, I'd say that the next few years are going to be all about display technologies. OLED will likely come down in price to the point where it's price-competitive with high end LCD. LG seems to be the only one capable of making TV size OLED panels at this point, so everyone else is either going to have to buy from them (Sony) or compete. I expect to see a major push to make LCD better. That HiSense dual-LCD is an example of that. Samsung has already shown off micro LED tech, so if they can make that price competitive and match OLED quality that could be in the mix. HDMI 2.1 is also just beginning to show up. Most people focus on the fact that this will make 8K possible, but that's really only a small piece of it. It's arguable the most fundamental change to the DVI/HDMI standard in two decades and brings along numerous improvements, especially for gamers. If you don't currently have all the pieces in place to do 4K and don't plan to upgrade your TV for a few years, I'd wait until receivers, etc. start supporting HDMI 2.1.
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Consumer 8K is just a waste of time, and where’s the content gonna come from? Streaming services will balk at it and cable providers don’t even do a good job with current formats. So that leaves you with UHD BluRay, because is anyone going to develop another physical format in the next ten years with any expectation of market share? For ridiculous sized displays that people need to get close to, sure. But when you can get 2K looking pretty decent on a theater sized screen, it’s just resolution for the sake of it most of the time.
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The technology for 8K displays now exists but the technology to create 8K content does not exist, not at any reasonable price anyway. Even at 4K there's a "wait is this real 4K" question. So 8K is dumb.
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NHK in Japan have gear and I’m wondering if the cameras they’re using for the Super Bowl might be from them. They just seem to use it big sporting events like the London 2012 olympics.
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Rastor posted:The technology for 8K displays now exists but the technology to create 8K content does not exist, not at any reasonable price anyway. Even at 4K there's a "wait is this real 4K" question. So 8K is dumb. Porn will get it figured out soon!
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Jan 20, 2019 23:00
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RED has 8K Cinema Cameras. It's not some distant future tech. ARRI should have some around the year 2035. Edit: the RED Helium body is less than $20K too.
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I think the idea behind HDMI 2.1's 10k @ 120hz is so that we won't have to keep updating our poo poo so much. But then someone's gonna make magic color™ where you can hear colors and HDCP will be 2.4 and everythings out of spec again.
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Medullah posted:Porn will get it figured out soon! BonoMan posted:RED has 8K Cinema Cameras. It's not some distant future tech. Ak Gara posted:I think the idea behind HDMI 2.1's 10k @ 120hz is so that we won't have to keep updating our poo poo so much.
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Rastor posted:
Yes...and? What's missing?
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BonoMan posted:Yes...and? What's missing? Storing the footage, editing the footage, special effects... How many 8K editing suites are out there? 8K color grading displays? Where are the 8K theatres to project it in?
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The only think 8K currently makes sense for is also the one thing the infrastructure is least suited for, the live broadcast of sporting events.
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How are you going to deliver the 8K content to home viewers? Are you going to introduce a new physical disc format? Are you going to stream it? How much bandwidth will that take? Which streaming sticks would be capable of decoding such a stream?
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I mean 4k sets basically became 'affordable' last year. that's 15 years after blu-ray became a thing. So if 8k sets come out in another couple years and then become affordable along with UHD++ or whatever it's going to be by 2030, that's not horrible. 1080p will be the 1950s B&W of that period's time by then. And being that you'll want to be indoors avoiding the food riots by then, I think an upgrade won't be outrageous.
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The other factor is: what does 8K add? DVD was a clear upgrade over VHS. HD was a clear upgrade over DVD. 4K... 4K resolution on its own wasn't much of an improvement. Remember that a lot of theatres project at HD resolution. When theatres have a 4K protector installed it's a selling point. 4K resolution needs to be combined with HDR to make for an impressive image that clearly beats HD. So the question isn't actually "is it possible to go to 8K". Sure, it's possible, especially if you're talking about 2030 and not 2020. The actual question is: why should anybody care?
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The last 15 posts are a carbon copy of every AV nerd message board from four years ago, just with "8K" instead of "4K".
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Monday_ posted:The last 15 posts are a carbon copy of every AV nerd message board from four years ago, just with "8K" instead of "4K".
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