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There was a fun pulp story here. They nearly drowned it in eyerolling amounts of cheesy redemptive backstories, off the rails plotting, a second season of the worst cops in the universe, and tons of filler about philosophizin' 'bout the nature of man and morality. What makes it watchable is Jon Bernthal and the actors really punching up the weak material. I'm so glad we got yet another loving Deborah Ann Woll cameo to make sure Frank knew he had a choice. Honestly the problem with the shows is that many of the side characters come off as convoluted impediments to what has to happen to resolve the A plot, not as characters.
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This felt like a good send off to the Netflix Marvel Universe, It had all the highs of a good marvel series, (excellent fight scenes hung off pretty decent actors and an entertaining enough plot.) and all the lows of typical marvel series (Disjointed plots, characters making the stupidest of the stupid mistakes, unbelievable love interests 8 episodes of material stretched to make 13 episodes). I still enjoyed it though despite it's flaws and I hope whatever Disney does it matches up in quality to this.
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Retardog posted:To clarify, I thought the first three episodes were great, but then it kinda just muddled along. I know it’ll probably get cancelled, but if they did a season 3, they’d really benefit from turning each half into its own story. Well this is troubling because to me EP4 really dropped off quality wise and was the worst one so far but I was hoping to chalk it up to a slip. I'll stay with it because Bernthal is really good and even if EP4 is the bottom tier it's still worth finishing.
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[grunting] [yelling] [dramatic music] edit: Did the female merc make it out of all this alive? The one that asked Pilgrim to let her be the one to shoot Frank? Diephoon fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Everslain posted:[grunting] No she is killed to put over the Pilgrim as a literal black hat
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Ferrosol posted:This felt like a good send off to the Netflix Marvel Universe, It had all the highs of a good marvel series, (excellent fight scenes hung off pretty decent actors and an entertaining enough plot.) and all the lows of typical marvel series (Disjointed plots, characters making the stupidest of the stupid mistakes, unbelievable love interests 8 episodes of material stretched to make 13 episodes). I still enjoyed it though despite it's flaws and I hope whatever Disney does it matches up in quality to this.
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Party Plane Jones posted:There's still another season of Jessica jones to go, I believe. I really, really hope they can return to the form of the first season. The second season wasn't terrible but the mother was a pretty poor antagonist and the lovely doctor NEVER got successfully called out for his utterly reprehensible bullshit.
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Jerusalem posted:the lovely doctor NEVER got successfully called out for his utterly reprehensible bullshit. Jessica's interactions with him were nothing but this.
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Not the strongest show, but I enjoyed it. Rather than spoiler text I'll just say the Netflix/Marvel miniverse is full of people that should probably be fired or put on forced leave for long-term psychiatric evaluation instead of failing upward to push the plot. Anyway, it's a shame that the show runners are finally getting a grasp on a good fun to gritty ratio as Netflix repeatedly drops the axe on top of refusing to have 6-10 episode seasons.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Jessica's interactions with him were nothing but this. Yeah and every single time she'd get ripped on for being ungrateful and foolish and not understanding on how wonderful and forward thinking the guy was, and then the guy proceeded to prove he had learned nothing and was still completely selfish and obsessed with doing whatever he wanted for his own benefit but never got called out on it and it was supposed to be considered a sad thing that he died. That plus Trish being rewarded for her horrible and selfish actions really left a bad taste in my mouth. The entire season was full of people who abused or took advantage of Jessica for their own benefit and were rewarded for it, as opposed to the first season which was full of people who continued to try to help her and be there for her in spite of her own self destructive tendencies and self-loathing.
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Jerusalem posted:I really, really hope they can return to the form of the first season. The second season wasn't terrible but the mother was a pretty poor antagonist and the lovely doctor NEVER got successfully called out for his utterly reprehensible bullshit. I agree, terrible isn't a strong enough word to describe season 2
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I just finished Daredevil season 3 and god drat the scoring of this season was beyond amazing, this was better tracked than most movies I've seen. I'd buy this poo poo for real.
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I never watched the second seasons of JJ or IF, should I bother to watch Luke Cage's second season or is it mired in the same crap that dragged down most of everything else? e: Ok I'll give it a shot next time I work 3rd shift and have nothing else to do, thanks As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Jan 21, 2019 04:48
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As Nero Danced posted:I never watched the second seasons of JJ or IF, should I bother to watch Luke Cage's second season or is it mired in the same crap that dragged down most of everything else? I personally enjoyed both seasons of LC but I didn't care for Jessica Jones so YMMV.
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As Nero Danced posted:should I bother to watch Luke Cage's second season or is it mired in the same crap that dragged down most of everything else? I thought LC season 2 started really strong but the back half started to fall apart and I really disliked the ending, especially now that I know nothing more will ever come of it. I heard the second season of Iron Fist was better than the first, but the first was bad enough I never had any desire to catch up on it.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah and every single time she'd get ripped on for being ungrateful and foolish and not understanding on how wonderful and forward thinking the guy was, Because they're both correct? He gets called out for being in an unhealthy relationship with Alisa -- which is a lot of projection on Jessica's part, it must be said -- but he's not actually Killgrave Mark 2. The relationship in question is codependent and unstable, but it's not abusive. The mad science I think the show is fairly unambiguous about. It's wrong, and Karl dies for it -- and renounces his choices as foolish as he dies. Jerusalem posted:That plus Trish being rewarded for her horrible and selfish actions really left a bad taste in my mouth. The entire season was full of people who abused or took advantage of Jessica for their own benefit and were rewarded for it, as opposed to the first season which was full of people who continued to try to help her and be there for her in spite of her own self destructive tendencies and self-loathing. I don't really have a problem with any of this. And Jessica gets a happy ending
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Luke Cage S2 is def really good even if the best character literally rides off into the sunset in the back of a van. I’m finished with the first 3 episodes of Punisher S2 and goddam do I have the craziest love affair with Berenthal. I seriously couldn’t dislike Rachel any harder she’s awful.
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Bust Rodd posted:Luke Cage S2 is def really good even if the best character literally rides off into the sunset in the back of a van. I missed his homicidal bear roar. But yeah the kid hasn't grown on me at all, maybe in the back half she gets better but the poster that said she's just "bratty teenage character" kinda nailed it, she could be victim #2 in a slasher movie without changing her character much.
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this show was trash, we never got to meet punishman's other one legged black friends
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As Nero Danced posted:I missed his homicidal bear roar. As soon as Not-Jigsaw starts dating and begins his own Burger King Kid's Club for Murder-Hobos, the kid's screen time drops off a lot.
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Ok I just started episode 4 and I for one could not be more disappointed in Billy Russo’s “psychologically damaging” scarring. It’s not an exaggeration to say I’ve got members of my own family who look more hosed up from light acne scars than he does having had his face run through a glass cheese grater. I’m gonna keep watching but holy gently caress Netflix who ok’d that? The only thing I can think of is maybe the actor or his manager took issue with heavier prosthetics. The level they went with is practically “why even bother?”
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok I just started episode 4 and I for one could not be more disappointed in Billy Russo’s “psychologically damaging” scarring. It’s not an exaggeration to say I’ve got members of my own family who look more hosed up from light acne scars than he does having had his face run through a glass cheese grater. you aren't alone, there's a moment in ep6 that's just cut from the 2nd zoolander movie
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Just wait until you see Frank later, I am pretty sure they just ran a red marker over his face a few times
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Piell posted:Just wait until you see Frank later, I am pretty sure they just ran a red marker over his face a few times Yeah that bit mid/late season in the hospital the makeup just does not hold up in the closeups
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok I just started episode 4 and I for one could not be more disappointed in Billy Russo’s “psychologically damaging” scarring. It’s not an exaggeration to say I’ve got members of my own family who look more hosed up from light acne scars than he does having had his face run through a glass cheese grater. EP4 was a huge drop in quality from the first 3. Actually made me take a break. AV Club addressed this (the scars) and considered that it might be a dig at Billy's narcissim and how even minor, superficial scars are big and ugly in his mind. Except everybody that looks at Billy is a;all "OMG!!! WTF happened to your FACE, dude?!?!" It had to have been some stupid contract stipulation where actor can't appear too hosed up.
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I dunno, I got the impression barely anybody else cared about his face beyond a double-take when they first meet him. it certainly didn't keep Dr. Hottie out of bed with him Not that I disagree, there were uglier people on screen with him on multiple occasions, so it kinda falls flat that he's supposed to be grotesquely disfigured.
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At some point late in the season I remember a character mentioning his face positively, something about how good his plastic surgeon must have been. It's still really silly, I expected the make-up artists to have a field day making him look like a frankenstein monster, and it seems clear that the writers thought that too.
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I mean look at this poo poo
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Bleh, I don't know how I felt about this season. It almost felt like they knew that a possible cancellation was looking and tied everything up and the last image we see was of a Punisher this series would never show, the mass murdering psychopath who seeks out random criminals to kill. Basically Death Wish, and somehow more problematic. Toward the end, they managed to make the girl not do the dumbest thing possible in one instance, which was a nice change, but I really didn't like her overall. I also expected there to be some consequence for Curtis taking the senator to the police, but that just seemed to be all there was to it. The a and b plots being completely unconnected felt odd because they didn't even really seem to advance in parallel, just one would pause while the other developed. It wasn't perfect, but I'm happy with this being the last we see of this version of the Punisher. OH GOD HE PULLED THAT DUDE'S TEETH OUT OF HIS OWN HEAD
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The ending was a sour note for me, and not just because the show managed to get me to like both Billy and Krista by the end, mass-murdering madpeople that they were. Ending the show with Frank committed full time to wearing the skull armor and wasting random street criminals, Dinah becoming an appendage of imperial war just like the Ivy League freak from s1, just felt like a waste of the characters' respective arcs. I really enjoyed how they left it at the end of s1, with Frank honestly trying to lead a normal-ish life, and it's so sad to see he actually devolves in method and and personality after sending Amy away, while Dinah's out in the world running however many Franks and Billys, queuing up murder missions in some loosely defined military milieu.
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pretty sure they were doing an actual page from a comic with that last shot. It was way too specific. I thought the very end was apt, this entire thing was an origin story and now he's out there being "comics Punisher" cartoonishly murdering everybody with no grey zone. It just didn't make sense with it being so abrupt, its like where you'd expect him to end up if the girl died. But she lived, and the protagonist's kids lived, and they did the tough guy 'respectful nod from a distance'. Makes me think they changed the ending to be a bit happier than it was originally even if it didnt mesh with the sting as nicely
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bring back old gbs posted:pretty sure they were doing an actual page from a comic with that last shot. It was way too specific. I thought the very end was apt, this entire thing was an origin story and now he's out there being "comics Punisher" cartoonishly murdering everybody with no grey zone. It just didn't make sense with it being so abrupt, its like where you'd expect him to end up if the girl died. But she lived, and the protagonist's kids lived, and they did the tough guy 'respectful nod from a distance'. It's basically Punisher War Zone #1, but he had uzi's on the cover.
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Man, they really must've slashed the budget for this season, huh? Oh sure, please give me more scenes where two of the characters chat in an apartment or a car. What show is this again?
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So how many of the Marvel Netflix shows prominently feature a cop/reporter/etc pursuing a personal obsession with a villain at the risk of their career?
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it's a terrible shame we'll never get to see bernthal's castle take on the sorts of cops who plaster the punisher skull on their cars and equipment. i was a little disappointed when the season shifted back to New York decisively, was looking forward to Frank throwing down with PMCs and dirty state police in deslote midwestern rust towns.
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I thought this season was mostly great except HUGE ENDING SPOILERS the mass murdering, child killing, card carrying neo-nazi getting to live AND get a pass from Frank.
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omg chael crash posted:I thought this season was mostly great except HUGE ENDING SPOILERS the mass murdering, child killing, card carrying neo-nazi getting to live AND get a pass from Frank. Does he also spare the life of someone who makes child porn? Because lmao.
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omg chael crash posted:I thought this season was mostly great except HUGE ENDING SPOILERS the mass murdering, child killing, card carrying neo-nazi getting to live AND get a pass from Frank. technically he's an ex neo-nazi.
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