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Whalley posted:Tom Paris should have been obsessed with Kirk-era Starfleet, not 20th century poo poo. Yeah, and that reminds me, out of the first 10 minutes of that episode I didn't watch all the way through, it seemed like a cheap excuse for exposition in the requisite "time-travel back to the year the series is being made". He also said to fit in the rich SoCal place where they were going they'd need "fast cars and a lot of money", and it just put a nail in the coffin of my will to finish the rest. There are plenty of other places in 1990s America that are terrible in plenty of other ways. Mainly, it's terrible that his only characteristics are being knockoff Kirk (and frequently compared to Kirk by writers themselves in the anecdotes on Memory Alpha). He's an admiral's son, and they already had room to explore some of the questions that could arise from that --- "Is my success because of nepotism? Do others think that, and is that important? Am I ever going to grow past his shadow?" with Wesley. Mostly, though, he also carries an air of self-important arrogance, and that doesn't help to temper my tendencies toward resentment of people with relative privilege like that.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I like Voyager well enough but it definitely seems like one of those "Give the fans EXACTLY what they want for better or worse" situations (based on Piller's book about writing Insurrection where he said Voyager was a conscious reaction to criticisms of DS9). Yeah, Voyager desperately wanted to recapture the magic of TNG and tried very hard to do so, often to the show's own detriment.
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"deep space 9 is too good. please make a star trek that is less good."
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Jan 21, 2019 21:27
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I like Voyager mainly in a 90's camp value kind of way.
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If you approach Voyager as if you would say, Frasier, where the “premise” is only window dressing, it’s pretty okay.
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Voyager is definitely as close as Star Trek ever came to producing a sitcom
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Pick posted:"deep space 9 is too good. please make a star trek that is less good." We Got You Fam Like, forevermore
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Pick posted:"deep space 9 is too good. please make a star trek that is less good." computer create a star track capable of defeating the franchise
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Voyager is definitely as close as Star Trek ever came to producing a sitcom ♪~Kolvoord Starburst,~♫ ♫~Joined the Maquis,~♪ ♪~Everyone aboard loves Tom Paris!~♫
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Jan 21, 2019 22:07
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Voyager is definitely as close as Star Trek ever came to producing a sitcom INT. BRIDGE TOM PARIS enters. JANEWAY Mr. Paris, take your station. The Kazon have appeared. PARIS That's hip, mama! Pause while audience cheers the catchphrase. CHAKOTAY shakes his head while smiling. CHAKOTAY Tom, this situation is a bit more serious than that. They're partnered with the Vidiians, and are using Borg technology. KIM Wh-wh-wh-whaaaaat?! Pause for laughter.
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Zurui posted:computer create a star track capable of defeating the franchise
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Pick posted:"deep space 9 is too good. please make a star trek that is less good."
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Jan 21, 2019 22:21
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FlamingLiberal posted:Rick Berman, 1995 “Can we stop these actors from doing that weird acting thing? It’s too distracting.”
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Zurui posted:computer create a star track capable of defeating the franchise
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Jan 21, 2019 22:26
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A Very Special Episode where Ensign Kim tries to build a weed drive for the ship, but he fucks up and now there's some kind of sentient weed smoke cloud trapping Voyager. Just say no, kids.
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spincube posted:A Very Special Episode where Ensign Kim tries to build a weed drive for the ship, but he fucks up and now there's some kind of sentient weed smoke cloud trapping Voyager. Just say no, kids. So basically Macrocosm and The Cloud. Voyager has already gotchu (weed via implication of Garrett Wang being high as gently caress all the time)
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spincube posted:A Very Special Episode where Ensign Kim tries to build a weed drive for the ship, but he fucks up and now there's some kind of sentient weed smoke cloud trapping Voyager. Just say no, kids.
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yeah but the last shot is of Harry flicking a blunt out of the Delta Flyer's window, and a borg arm picks it up and its face-laser-thing turns green
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Pick posted:Odo definitely gets forgiven for being a privacy-invading shithead wayyyy too easily over the course of the show. IMHO he's pretty grey in S1. There's that one early episode where he says "you want real security? give me [list of demands]" and Kira says "uhhhhh you just described Terok Nor." Whalley posted:This is one thing that stargate ruled with like "poo poo these guys have crazy armor but uhhhhh we got like... A Gun?" I've been watching SG-1 and it seems like it's been more inconsistent about the efficacy of the goauld armor early on. Some episodes it's like an FPS where the main character has to unload half a magazine into a jaffa as rounds seemingly harmlessly bounce off before their hit points run out and they fall over. Then in other episodes it's just a couple hits and they're dead.
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Voyager was incredibly late-90s, right down to the random "well of course bio-technology is better!" bits and the episode where the ship encounters the super-consultants.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:There's that one early episode where he says "you want real security? give me [list of demands]" and Kira says "uhhhhh you just described Terok Nor." Yeah that's the one I was sorta thinking of! But then idk people just fall into their camps.
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spincube posted:♪~Kolvoord Starburst,~♫ ADMIRAL PARIS: (grumpy) Not me!
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Voyager was incredibly late-90s, right down to the random "well of course bio-technology is better!" bits and the episode where the ship encounters the super-consultants. I think biotechnology is legit an interesting idea Trek's never done much with, but Species 8472 was pure CGI meaning they couldn't show up much.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:54
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There were also the bio-neural gel packs.
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Did the gel packs actually do anything? I can’t think of a single episode where they were more than tangentially relevant. Neelix hosed them up with his cooking that one time, but I can’t recall an instance where they contributed any benefit the ship would otherwise have lacked. As in so many other ways, Farscape beats the poo poo out of Voyager on the biotech front.
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skasion posted:Did the gel packs actually do anything? I can’t think of a single episode where they were more than tangentially relevant. Neelix hosed them up with his cooking that one time, but I can’t recall an instance where they contributed any benefit the ship would otherwise have lacked. I remember them being ridiculously important during the time police bullshit but for the life of me I can't bring that section into focus
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skasion posted:Did the gel packs actually do anything? I can’t think of a single episode where they were more than tangentially relevant. Neelix hosed them up with his cooking that one time, but I can’t recall an instance where they contributed any benefit the ship would otherwise have lacked.
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skasion posted:Did the gel packs actually do anything? Put 'em in the freezer for a bit and they make for a decent cold compress.
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Somehow they were more efficient? I think?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Somehow they were more efficient? I think? I think they replaced the EPS conduits or something? Just some Treknobabble Piller Filler bullshit to make the Intrepid-class seem super-advanced.
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It will never cease to amaze me that someone wrote an episode where the gel packs get an infection or whatever it was. Just...why. And no, they never really proved that those things were better than on any other Starfleet ship.
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Timby posted:I think they replaced the EPS conduits or something? Just some Treknobabble Piller Filler bullshit to make the Intrepid-class seem super-advanced. Nah they were supposed to be a replacement for the isolinear chips I think, supposedly they made the computers faster. FlamingLiberal posted:It will never cease to amaze me that someone wrote an episode where the gel packs get an infection or whatever it was. Just...why. My impression of the gel-packs ("this is the latest stuff!" treknobabble aside) was that they were another thing that was supposed to be irreplaceable and cause problems for a ship that was cut off from its support infrastructure. I'm pretty sure isolinear chips were explicitly stated to be something you could get out of a replicator, but not gel packs.
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Now I want to see Engineer Shimoda drunkenly stack the bio-neural gel packs
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FlamingLiberal posted:Now I want to see Engineer Shimoda drunkenly stack the bio-neural gel packs One of the stacked gel packs falls and hits B'elanna in the spine, crippling her and forcing her to commit ritual suicide.
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WampaLord posted:One of the stacked gel packs falls and hits B'elanna in the spine, crippling her and forcing her to commit ritual suicide.
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I’m actually rewatching Voyager (lol) and I forgot the first season did a semi-decent job of making Janeway seem like she barely has any control over the crew and people are actively calling her an idiot. Shame that all sorta gets washed away, just like every other interesting thing about this show.
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HD DAD posted:I’m actually rewatching Voyager (lol) and I forgot the first season did a semi-decent job of making Janeway seem like she barely has any control over the crew and people are actively calling her an idiot. Shame that all sorta gets washed away, just like every other interesting thing about this show.
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WampaLord posted:One of the stacked gel packs falls and hits B'elanna in the spine, crippling her and forcing her to commit ritual suicide. I thought a main objection was Voyager rehashing TNG. Come on. The B'elanna version has her cobbling together her own spinal bypass and augmetic frame so she can angrily shamble around for the rest of the series.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I thought a main objection was Voyager rehashing TNG. Come on.  quote:The B'elanna version has her cobbling together her own spinal bypass and augmetic frame so she can angrily shamble around for the rest of the series. This is probably what would happen, but add in some Janeway yelling at her for spice.
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