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Halloween Jack posted:Yet I somehow hold the mysterious and forbidden knowledge that many black people live in rural areas but... not in west virginia
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Jan 22, 2019 04:26
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:plenty of examples itt of people who voted for trump based less on overtly hostile racism and more on willing obliviousness, like our friend here who assumed trump would respect native americans. my point is, clinton knew she wasn't winning the turbochud vote, she (erroneously) based her campaign on winning the undecided dumbass vote. and undecided dumbasses love centrism and are put off by the politicians accusing their opponent's base of racism. unfortunately this was a terrible move for clinton, b/c those people are very stupid, and when it comes to fooling stupid people, "you can't stump the trump", as they say clinton lost the midwest not because of the racist vote, but because she thought that everyone was a buncha uneducated bumpkins she could pull a fast one on they've been workshopping the "we'll have job training programs for you when the factories shut down, honest!" for 20 years now. everyone around here knows the dems are full of poo poo and don't stand for anything edit: as we speak, we're having 2020 hopefuls start stumbling out of their test tubes and so far, their policy positions are exclusively 180's of stances they had pre-2016, watered down versions of what bernie wants, or republican ideas Business Gorillas has issued a correction as of 04:45 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Jan 22, 2019 04:41
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:but... not in west virginia West Virginia voted for god damned Hubert Humphrey and Carter and Michael Dukakis. they weren’t part of the Dixiecrat block.
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Jan 22, 2019 05:14
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Halloween Jack posted:WV, the only state with coal in it WV was your example bro, but honestly there's not a huge overlap between coal towns and black population in the US rural black communities are much more likely to be concentrated in the old south, frequently in places that used to grow a lot of cotton. YOLOsubmarine posted:West Virginia voted for god damned Hubert Humphrey and Carter and Michael Dukakis. they weren’t part of the Dixiecrat block. no poo poo. i was responding to the notion that west virginia has black coal miner population. it doesn't.
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Jan 22, 2019 05:37
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:no poo poo. i was responding to the notion that west virginia has black coal miner population. it doesn't. yea, my bad. I glossed over the conversation and thought this was one of those “WV didn’t turn red because Dems abandoned labor, it’s cause they’re all hopelessly racist” derails.
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Jan 22, 2019 05:43
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:he also told them to reach out to millennials and they were all LOL NO i would have taken "lol no" over the alternative that gave us nae nae-ing on ellen, chilling... in cedar rapids, and acapella among other things
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Jan 22, 2019 05:57
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Plank Walker posted:i would have taken "lol no" over the alternative that gave us nae nae-ing on ellen, chilling... in cedar rapids, and acapella among other things That wasn't reaching out to millenials. That was a 50 year old marketer's idea of what millenials want. Not jobs, housing, healthcare or debt relief: you kids like Ellen right? And the new dance moves? Come to think of it, same people behind the effort to astroturf Beto. Real solutions to real problems? Nah you 30-somethings are just a bunch of kids, here look hamburgers and skateboarding! So cool!
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Jan 22, 2019 06:09
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I don't know anyone my age who watches Ellen and I'm loving 40.
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Jan 22, 2019 06:20
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YOLOsubmarine posted:yea, my bad. I glossed over the conversation and thought this was one of those “WV didn’t turn red because Dems abandoned labor, it’s cause they’re all hopelessly racist” derails. no worries, the whole argument is kind of a weird derail that doesn't really seem to have much of a point as far as i can tell. i just thought it was bizarre to claim there was a significant black coal miner population. i don't really know poo poo about modern WV politics but it's sure not a dixiecrat state, considering they broke away from VA in order to avoid seceding from the union. but coal is by far the worst fuel on the planet, needs to die ASAP, and is already well on its way out regardless, so i don't know what a politician is supposed to honestly tell WV voters at this point in time, especially if you have an opponent willing to lie through his teeth about bringing back coal and making everything great like the good old days. i don't think supporting strong unions is going to cut it for coal miners unless you're also going to have big coal subsidies to prop up a dying industry, and as much as i feel for decent non-chud coal miners, that's an insane policy proposal environmentally speaking.
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Jan 22, 2019 06:23
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*whispers* "Green New Deal"
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YOLOsubmarine posted:West Virginia voted for god damned Hubert Humphrey and Carter and Michael Dukakis. they weren’t part of the Dixiecrat block. Of course not, but nowhere in the nation is whiter or more resentful of elites or more susceptable to the social culture war and smear campaigns the Republicans have been waging against minorities and immigrants and gays since Reagan pulled in the evangelical vote and murdered the labor movement. Trump beat Abuela by over 40 points in WV - There was nothing she possibly could have done that would have won there.
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Jan 22, 2019 06:37
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VitalSigns posted:*whispers* "Green New Deal" yea but what's the specific sell to WV coal people that convinces them, keeping in mind that promises of "job retraining programs" and the like are written off as bullshit? i'd like to think they'd be more receptive to non-coal policies after getting rolled by trump but i can't blame ppl in a coal town for favoring pro-coal policies over promises of something entirely new anyway, some additional thread content from a chud safari: https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1087386630288297986
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:no worries, the whole argument is kind of a weird derail that doesn't really seem to have much of a point as far as i can tell. i just thought it was bizarre to claim there was a significant black coal miner population. maybe that poster had only seen pictures of coal miners at the end of their shifts?
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https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1087390208469929990 Oh, look someone wrote an email about what they wanted for lunch on their personal server. THATS IT IM VOT9NG TRUP,
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:yea but what's the specific sell to WV coal people that convinces them, keeping in mind that promises of "job retraining programs" and the like are written off as bullshit? People in WV sense (rightly) that the Dems don't give a single gently caress about them, so why change?
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JFairfax posted:maybe that poster had only seen pictures of coal miners at the end of their shifts? it's called BLACK lung, not WHITE lung 
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Jan 22, 2019 06:54
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:yea but what's the specific sell to WV coal people that convinces them, keeping in mind that promises of "job retraining programs" and the like are written off as bullshit? "Job retraining programs" are written off as bullshit because they are. Go spend a year learning how to code without pay, so you can graduate and not have a job because there aren't any coding jobs in your hometown. That's why you go to them with a job guarantee: "we are going to build this factory right here in your town and hire all of you to work in it just like the good old days", you know like the New Deal did.
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Jan 22, 2019 14:46
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Jan 22, 2019 14:53
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:lol her husband who won the presidency twice was all "maybe run on good economic policy for poors" and everyone told him to shut up Imagine being married to Bill Clinton, a man who, (good or bad), is the Kobe Bryant of politics. And he gives you advice, and you don't listen to him because you hate him. And then you lose an election to the stupidest man in America because you are a) supremely unlikable and b) didn't listen to your philandering husband. Who will now make passive aggressive comments for the rest of your haggard life because you suck at politics.
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ElGroucho posted:Who will now make passive aggressive comments for the rest of your haggard life because you suck at politics. You think he has the guts to do that?
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I for one look forward to being called a sexist pig for not wanting to vote for Kamala or Clinton (again).
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:The last sentence isn't sarcasm. I went to check this guy's twitter and he's still unapologetic about his vote. He can get hosed. Something along the lines of "Judge people by their actions not what they say." How about you judge him by both motherfucker? The poo poo he said (and is still saying) was reprehensible and the thousand loving lawsuits he had represents his actions. Anyone with an ounce of sense knew wtf DT is about. I think i'm a bad person because I actually hope that he starves. Like, has to swallow his loving pride and goes to a soup kitchen kind of starve.
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Avirosb posted:You think he has the guts to do that? This is a man who said, "Define 'sex' " to an investigative panel
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VitalSigns posted:"Job retraining programs" are written off as bullshit because they are. Go spend a year learning how to code without pay, so you can graduate and not have a job because there aren't any coding jobs in your hometown. just say "all right coal miners/plant workers you’ve wrecked your bodies to extract/shovel coal, you’ve worked enough, harder than anyone, now enjoy retirement starting at 35 when your mine/plant closes." then do it for all dying industries
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Jan 22, 2019 16:24
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Flowers For Algeria posted:just say "all right coal miners/plant workers you’ve wrecked your bodies to extract/shovel coal, you’ve worked enough, harder than anyone, now enjoy retirement starting at 35 when your mine/plant closes." Some people are very stupid, and want to work in the coal mines just like pappy and grand pappy before them.
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Iron Crowned posted:Some people are very stupid, and want to work in the coal mines just like pappy and grand pappy before them. See this in many industry. In Quebec there's this small village fought tooth and nail to keep their asbestos mine open. http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20180529-the-town-fighting-its-killer-reputation *edit: There's even a brewery which makes a beer using the water which accumulates at the bottom of the mine. Dalael has issued a correction as of 16:51 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Jan 22, 2019 16:43
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hahaha yesss screwed by the ultimate scummy small business owner SBOs screwin SBOs
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Iron Crowned posted:Some people are very stupid, and want to work in the coal mines just like pappy and grand pappy before them. There was a great town hall with Bernie early after the election that had a guy in his mid to late 20s worrying that all he wanted to do since he was born was to drop out of High School and do what his father did, be a coal miner. But after 7 years the mine is shutting down and he might not be able to pay for his 50 year fathers black lung treatments after the dad got turned down for free treatment because he smoked his entire life. it was just so many bad family decisions, you can't fix these people who willing choose death
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Give jobs building/maintaining simulated safe coal mines to the non-diehards, and let the diehards use them . The perfect ecosystem, bing bong, so simple.
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Jan 22, 2019 16:47
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we should keep the coal mines open so these folks can have jobs and just not use the coal. they don't want welfare, so we'll just tell them its being burned
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Jan 22, 2019 16:48
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Flowers For Algeria posted:just say "all right coal miners/plant workers you’ve wrecked your bodies to extract/shovel coal, you’ve worked enough, harder than anyone, now enjoy retirement starting at 35 when your mine/plant closes." Some people say a man is made out of mud, the poor mans made out of muscle and blood, muscle and blood and skin and bones a mind thats weak and a back thats strong...
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Blister posted:There was a great town hall with Bernie early after the election that had a guy in his mid to late 20s worrying that all he wanted to do since he was born was to drop out of High School and do what his father did, be a coal miner. But after 7 years the mine is shutting down and he might not be able to pay for his 50 year fathers black lung treatments after the dad got turned down for free treatment because he smoked his entire life. It's not like the coal industry is going away. Instead of sending people inside a mountain to get it, they just blow the top off of a mountain and collect it that way. It's safer, and uses less manpower (although it's very environmentally detrimental). It's all glorified fairy tales, that they're holding onto anyway. Coal companies have always been evil as gently caress.
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Iron Crowned posted:It's not like the coal industry is going away. Instead of sending people inside a mountain to get it, they just blow the top off of a mountain and collect it that way. It's safer, and uses less manpower (although it's very environmentally detrimental). You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store
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Jan 22, 2019 16:56
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There's a long history of working-class resistance (or at least resentment) to dirty, dangerous, crippling jobs. People only became nostalgic for these jobs when they started losing them and not having anything better to replace them.
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there's gonna be a lot more like this soon btw because anybody who gets a paycheck instead of capital gains got a huge increase in their tax burden that was disguised by big withholding changes obfuscated by the IRS just not releasing any guidelines for HR departments
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Jan 22, 2019 17:18
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Give everyone in West Virginia an Oculus Rift and a copy of Coal Mining Simulator.
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Blackchamber posted:You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store lol remember when GE used this song in a commercial for their coal mines
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