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I never read Tom's quote from when he was asked about Whittaker being the Doctor:quote:Baker, 84, told GQ Magazine he was thrilled that Jodie, a former Shelley College student, had been picked for the role.  Edit: He also said his own pick would have been Dawn French, who would have been interesting for sure if perhaps a bit too well known for her comedy (even more so than Capaldi). Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Jose Mengelez posted:hey remember how the daleks are a fascist analog that project power and superiority but deep inside (literally) are a wretched pathetic creature almost worthy of pity? well according to chris chibnall they're actually super strong and cool, ride around on your back like a boss and don't afraid of anything. I didn’t like the mind control but the Dalek being able to teleport its pieces across the planet was just ridiculous. They should’ve had a different backstory. However Gatiss shouldn’t be allowed near the show.
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Jan 21, 2019 05:30
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Can somebody tell me Davison's hating there being a woman cast as the doctor didn't really happen or was a misunderstanding? Because every other doctor has been so lovely about it.
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Jan 21, 2019 05:48
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LividLiquid posted:Can somebody tell me Davison's hating there being a woman cast as the doctor didn't really happen or was a misunderstanding? Because every other doctor has been so lovely about it. From memory he said it was sad boys had lost a non-violent, intellectual role model, then said that instead of mocking people who were losing their loving minds about a female Doctor, people should be more understanding and try to see things from their point of view to foster discussion and perhaps bring them around to the idea of a female Doctor that way. People quite understandably weren't particularly open to the idea of giving equal treatment to the "man-hating feminazi agenda is ruining my television show FOREVER" brigade and his reaction was to temporarily(?) suspend his Twitter account rather than engage any further and risk sticking his foot any further into his mouth. Basically I think he was well-intentioned but really picked the wrong way to explain the point he was trying to make, and probably unwittingly found himself on the side of some pretty toxic, nasty people as a result.
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Jan 21, 2019 05:57
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Jan 21, 2019 07:53
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peter davison is old
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Jan 21, 2019 09:43
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Colin Baker is even older and he was pretty enthusiastic. 
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Jan 21, 2019 09:44
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I wasn't surprised when Davison said what he did. He's always struck me as a bit of a curmudgeon in interviews and things, in that solidly middle England, middle class, 'I don't want to think too hard or challenge my own opinions' kind of way. As we all know now, C.Bakes is an all round class act. Meanwhile, Sly is a freak (and I mean that as a high compliment), and T.Bakes also seems to have become much more mellow and open minded in his old age. Davison is more 'normal', which often translates to having kind of lovely views
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leaning more towards naive rather than actively lovely I think Old man doesn’t understand just how toxic internet nerds really are and thinks there’s actually a possibility of talking them round with reasoned explanation Cerv fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Jan 21, 2019 11:01
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I get Davison's point that it's important for boys to have non-violent role models*, but it's even more important to teach boys that they can learn those lessons from a female role model just as well as from a male one (and that's obviously just one of the many important things having a female Doctor for a change does). No child "lost" a role model when Peter changed to Jodie, or if they did, that's not where the problem is. * it's also important to remember here that the Fifth Doctor tried to extrajudicially execute Davros with a laser to the face
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Jan 21, 2019 11:28
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Besides, female action heroes are on the rise. It's a good time for girls to also have a hero who- as Moffat once said- has a screwdriver to fix things instead of an x-wing, and the superpower of having two hearts
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Jan 21, 2019 14:13
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Re watching the Christopher eccleston season to get the taste out of my mouth. Rose as a season open is just so much more fun and stronger than the woman who fell to earth. Even with some of the cringy bad effects (cgi rubbish bin anyone lol) and occasional dodgy dialog. Edit: The plastic men, have HAND guns, ho ho ho. Its just terrible. But fun somehow and Rose is immediately believable. fist4jesus fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Jan 21, 2019 15:32
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https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/1087283906896900096 interesting! I haven't read it yet.
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Jan 21, 2019 15:42
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Following the C.Bakes regent video up there, YouTube suggested this McGann/Hurt one I hadn’t seen before. A little rough around the edges, but good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tr4EIeqfdY
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fist4jesus posted:Edit: The plastic men, have HAND guns, ho ho ho. Its just terrible. But fun somehow and Rose is immediately believable. The OG Autons also had hand guns. It's a kind of visual shorthand that we're going to be celebrating and building on the original show, goofiness and all, rather than seeing it as an embarrassment.
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Organza Quiz posted:https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/1087283906896900096 interesting! I haven't read it yet. Don't know if I'll bother reading the whole thing but I quite liked this from the ending quote:THE DOCTOR I'm surprised that Steven "always add more jokes, no sane person ever objected to laughing" Moffat cut out a bunch of jokes
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Jan 21, 2019 16:19
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Resurrection of the Daleks and Revelation of the Daleks are getting novelization.
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After The War posted:The OG Autons also had hand guns. It's a kind of visual shorthand that we're going to be celebrating and building on the original show, goofiness and all, rather than seeing it as an embarrassment. Goofy is the right word. Because even though they are flat our murdering people. And I want to hate the handguns for being stupid in the context of existing plastic people coming to life...it just works and is fun. The music and pacing just make the flaws forgivable. Even the dumb ending sequence with the doctor being held, the plastic killer vial just out of reach, and then rose saying some poo poo about being a gymnast out of nowhere and eventually saving the day. Horrible. But forgivable, its fun.
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Listen to Davison’s full comment starting at 0:50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR58EPyQ05U He’s misguided in saying people should encourage chuds to watch Jodie, but he also says to watch it with an open mind and that he think Jodie will be excellent. What he said was well-intentioned, I just think he’s a bit naive when it comes to internet fanbase vitriol. I don’t think it’s fair to lump him in with the rest of the sexists, because that clearly wasn’t what he meant.
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fist4jesus posted:Even the dumb ending sequence with the doctor being held, the plastic killer vial just out of reach, and then rose saying some poo poo about being a gymnast out of nowhere and eventually saving the day. Horrible. But forgivable, its fun. The whole setup sort of gives the impression that he was testing Rose, this human he'd just met and could potentially be companion material. He knew the threat was effectively over the instant he was allowed to get that close with the magic anti-badguy potion; a bit of sleight of hand or a space judo move and it would be over. Instead he just sort of looks expectantly up to Rose to see how she'd react, if she'd be up for challenges that weren't going to be so well in-hand for him. Or it was just directorial ineptitude, but I prefer the former. And it is fun.
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fist4jesus posted:Even the dumb ending sequence with the doctor being held, the plastic killer vial just out of reach, and then rose saying some poo poo about being a gymnast out of nowhere and eventually saving the day. Horrible. But forgivable, its fun. I love Rose's little monologue. She only got a bronze medal in some lovely little local gymnastics for kids event, a decade or so ago, but it still means enough to her that she'll use it to psych herself up. Most of the episode is contrasting the menial and the phenomenal, and arguing that the phenomenal is just so much better. But here, for once, it's a banal achievement that steps up and saves things.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I love Rose's little monologue. She only got a bronze medal in some lovely little local gymnastics for kids event, a decade or so ago, but it still means enough to her that she'll use it to psych herself up. Most of the episode is contrasting the menial and the phenomenal, and arguing that the phenomenal is just so much better. But here, for once, it's a banal achievement that steps up and saves things. Really good point, and this theme is bookended nicely by the season climax. In the middle of a calamitous, unimaginable genocidal struggle in the far future, Rose is snapped back to modern Earth, where she bemoans eating chips with her family in some lovely little shop. Rose's mum basically argues that the Doctor's sacrifice was all worth it to get Rose back safely, driving home the season's point that the banal aspects of life are no less precious than the phenomenal for the moments they allow with family and friends; and the Doctor sacrifices so much to allow people those peaceful moments even though he can't ever share in those things. In turn, Rose entirely surrenders to the phenomenal, and it would have killed her but for one last sacrifice from the Doctor. Then the next season kind of dumps all over that development as Rose and Ten turn all giggly and full of themselves.
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Bad Wolf Rose's "my head is killing me" in ethereal godly voice is prob my favourite part of that first finale
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Organza Quiz posted:https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/1087283906896900096 interesting! I haven't read it yet. Ugh, it's even more objectionable to see how needlessly stupid it was in addition to having the humorous bits sliced out. The Doctor's testing Bill, to the point of guards with guns and faking a regeneration. Why? Well, in the context, it makes sense that with Bill as the conduit through which the Monks are changing people's memories and perceptions, she herself might be ground-zero and loyal to the Monks and the "joining up with the Doctor" thing is all a trick. Only the script not only doesn't establish that, it goes out of its way to show that the Doctor doesn't know how Bill contributes to the situation until he talks with Missy. And while it's somewhat clever for the Monks to do nothing about Bill because they want the Doctor to protect her, they have to know he's dangerous to them. For that matter, given that the "let me see your papers" bit turns out to be part of the big put-on, having the Monk "rescue" Bill from that is worse than pointless. It's needless running-about-corridors but without the running part. Then they get to the Monk on the throne beaming lies into people's minds. Does anybody shoot the Monk in the head and shove him off the throne so the Doctor can hack the system? No. In fact, if the system requires the active participation of a Monk to function, surely just unplugging him will do the trick. But no, it turns into Bill hooking in so the Monk will erase her mind. You know, the mind which the Monks are already linked to and which, if erased, will spoil their entire plan. Does Bill live because the Monk doesn't dare tamper with her mind lest the whole invasion collapse, allowing her to fight it successfully? No, she wins because a part of her mind has embraced a fiction as if it were reality. You know, like almost everyone does in one way or another but without any of the others being in any way protected like Bill is for some reason the episode has no idea how to explain. That's not to mention the minor pointless stupid bits. They shoot their way into the pyramid with the headphones protecting them from the influence, and the guy whose Walkman is destroyed is neutralized in seconds, making the whole thing pointless. (Why not have no guard at all and skip the whole thing? Why not have humans form a wall of bodies to block the Doctor, creating an actual problem he has to solve instead of just getting some shooting effects while ruining the whole "scary Monks who we don't know what they can do" element?) Or the worst: the kid turning his mom over to the Memory Cops. The basic concept is clever, sure. But if the Monks are hacking people's memory and perceptions to insert themselves into humanity's past, and not breaking into everybody's homes and replacing all their books with new versions, then anyone affected by the Monks can pick up a book and see sections where the Monks appear while anyone resisting won't see those sections. So the kid finds a bunch of things mom is hanging onto and they don't have Monks in them. So what? If the kid is affected, he should see the Monks there whether or not they are there, because that is how it works! And every other drat book or postcard or whatever is missing Monks, too, so why are these keepsakes any different? The kid should be turning in his mom because she was reading Paddington to him and left out the parts with the Monks and when he complained she told him there weren't any Monks in the story at all. No, I'm not at all mad about this, after all this time. Why do you ask?
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The Monks episodes were such a disappointment. I’d wanted a good three parter for a while and that’s what we got. My current classic Who status is developing a headache from the sound effects in The Web Planet. I can get past the costumes, the Vaseline smeared camera lenses, but that noise, that noise... https://youtu.be/z6lUCZqKoV4
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Jan 21, 2019 23:42
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Just saw the dumbest thing ever. Someone claiming that the ep "Rosa" was just pushing a "SJW agenda" because people weren't racist back then.
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Davros1 posted:Just saw the dumbest thing ever. Someone claiming that the ep "Rosa" was just pushing a "SJW agenda" because people weren't racist back then. It’s a pretty common belief amongst racists that race relations problems in the US began with the civil rights movement messing everything up and that everything was fine before then.
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marktheando posted:The Monks episodes were such a disappointment. I’d wanted a good three parter for a while and that’s what we got. God yeah, the last time I did a whole series rewatch, I think that (and the recon of The Space Pirates) were the only times I had to struggle to actually get through to the end of the story. The sound gave me a minor headache too, I felt slightly nauseous watching it.
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marktheando posted:It’s a pretty common belief amongst racists that race relations problems in the US began with the civil rights movement messing everything up and that everything was fine before then. That's because the real problem with the episode was that they focused on the wrong racism. Which sounds loving weird to say but it was my core problem with the whole thing. People back then weren't loud angry super racists, including common waitresses and literally any single person around. There was a 'polite' racism, a societal racism that still runs pretty heavy in modern society. You couldn't get away with drat near beating a minority in the streets of a big town for literally no reason- that was from earlier times. No, at that point everyone had to grin and get along and barely put up a facade of tolerance. That's why the whole protest sparked such a reaction because Look it's a whole thing but basically I really dislike the Rosa episode because it transformed the situation into such an obvious black and white "Look at how much better we are now" look at racism, with the only nod to the fact that the VERY SAME RACISM that was rampant in 1950s Alabama is STILL a problem, even and ESPECIALLY in the modern day UK But they probably didn't want kids to really think about that part too much Also that post is loving stupid
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people got lynched literally that year and nobody was ever arrested for it, you idiot
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corn in the bible posted:people got lynched literally that year and nobody was ever arrested for it, you idiot Not in broad daylight in the middle of town I'm not talking about what nasty bullshit was going on in general, I'm talking about what we specifically see in the episode.
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The_Doctor posted:Following the C.Bakes regent video up there, YouTube suggested this McGann/Hurt one I hadn’t seen before. A little rough around the edges, but good. "OK this is kinda coo--OH poo poo THE END!"
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Burkion posted:People back then weren't loud angry super racists, including common waitresses and literally any single person around. Yes, they were. Burkion posted:No, at that point everyone had to grin and get along and barely put up a facade of tolerance. What on Earth are you talking about. I've taught mid-century African American lit a few times and you're on another planet here. You're just out in space.
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"Things might be bad now, but 53 years later they elect a black man president!" (ignores the next man elected president)
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See I don't think you can take a "and so racism was ended forever" message from an episode where the bad guy is a racist from like the 79th century. The implication is that racism is still going well in the future, to the extent that some dude wants to travel back in time to stop a key civil rights figure from making headway.
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Burkion posted:There was a 'polite' racism, a societal racism that still runs pretty heavy in modern society. You couldn't get away with drat near beating a minority in the streets of a big town for literally no reason- that was from earlier times. No, at that point everyone had to grin and get along and barely put up a facade of tolerance. The episode literally mentions the murder of Emmett Till, who was literally lynched for smiling at a white woman only a few months before the Montgomery bus boycotts started, you utter cockwomble.
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TinTower posted:The episode literally mentions the murder of Emmett Till, who was literally lynched for smiling at a white woman only a few months before the Montgomery bus boycotts started, you utter cockwomble. Which was done in the middle of the night in a remote location; again, the point being made is not "nah, things were hunkey dorey", it's "the public face of things was kept civil, while all the nasty poo poo happened in dark alleys and after dark".
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Eccleston alternating between savage glee, cruelity and pain while engaging with the chained Darlek. Masterful.
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Burkion posted:Not in broad daylight in the middle of town people literally ran freedom summer workers over with a car iirc
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corn in the bible posted:people literally ran freedom summer workers over with a car iirc Let me clarify exactly what my issue was, because I think that's been lost. My issue was not how racism was shown- or rather, it was the fact that literally every single white person in the entire episode that is from 1950s Alabama WAS super racist. The one dude, the old people, sure whatever, the cop most definitely But the waitress? She shouldn't have been presented as the problem. For as lovely as the laws were, the Doctor and company came into this restaurant that was very clearly racist, but she's given zero sympathy. This would have been the one time to show a working woman, which is ITSELF a whole thing in 1950s Alabama (let alone 1950s in general) as sympathetic even if she still has to kow tow to the racist law of the land. Have her be frustrated that this group of people are making her already lovely day at work worse, not just belligerently racist and also mistaking an Indian woman for a Mexican Because if literally every single person we see in the episode is so super racist and ready to pop off, without exception, that means that there is no one to relate to. Which is kind of a problem, because no one nowadays, no one in the modern day, that actually watches the show and enjoys it, is going to look at this episode and wonder 'is this still a serious problem?' They're not going to wonder if maybe they harbor some residual toxic thinking, because THEY aren't cartoonishly racist. Clearly we as a people have gotten better! That's part of what rubs me the wrong way about the episode. The one bit of modern day racism we get is brought up super briefly in one of the only Yaz related dialogue moments. There's very little nuance on screen that might make a kid stop and go "is this still a problem, can I recognize these traits in myself?" "Is there a situation where I would knowingly or unknowingly conform to racist ideals just because they are part of the societal norms?" That's my issue with it. If the waitress at least had been shown in any kind of sympathetic light, I wouldn't have minded as much- but she's just as hyper racist as everyone else, rendering any kind of lesson you could take from this pointless. Which is also a bit odd given how intertwined feminism and the civil rights were in the 60s, which maybe should have been touched on more. Instead one of the only people just as oppressed as the minorities around her is brushed off in the same tone as the screaming jackass at the start and the hateful olds at the end. Burkion fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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