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SlyFrog posted:First they came for the educated, privileged, upper class, angry internet warriors, and I did not speak out . . . . Then they came for the educated, squarely lower upper middle class, angry internet warriors, and I
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blarzgh posted:Then they came for the educated, squarely lower upper middle class, angry internet warriors, and I I wish I could break into middle class.
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Jan 22, 2019 00:52
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Mr. Nice! posted:I wish I could break into middle class. You could always marry rich(er than yourself)
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If he marries like, three people instead of just one would that help?Mr. Nice! posted:I wish I could break into middle class. Sure, which house were you thinking of?
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Kawasaki Nun posted:You could always marry rich(er than yourself) That doesn't take much. Nice piece of fish posted:If he marries like, three people instead of just one would that help? Nice piece of fish posted:Sure, which house were you thinking of? There's a cabin I know of...
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Mr. Nice! posted:Do I look mormon? Well you know what they say, if you gotta ask... Mr. Nice! posted:There's a cabin I know of... My cabin is not middle class  wait can I actually claim that a cabin isn't middle class? It's like the most bougie thing. You know what, I built it myself so I get to decide. It's not a piece of art, it's a piece of work.
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Jan 22, 2019 14:30
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Define middle class
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Jan 22, 2019 17:18
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Alexeythegreat posted:Define middle class  in america you're technically "middle class" at around $40-50k/year (skewed a little higher in some metro areas like DC/NYC/SF) but because of the massive wealth inequality in our nation most "middle class" people are living paycheck to paycheck and barely able to survive.
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Jan 22, 2019 17:23
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Middle class is a nice category that like 80% of the country can pretend they're part of by adding the words "upper" or "solid" to it when in reality it's almost entirely evaporated as a meaningful socioeconomic classification of people.
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Jan 22, 2019 17:55
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Basically 80% of america is made up of varying levels of poor. Almost all of that group would be bankrupted by cancer. The few that wouldn't are on some form of socialized medicine. The 20% of americans that have the money are broken up into a few groups. The first 10% are the petite-bourgeoisie. These are the 6 figure tech bros, doctors, lawyers (pre-2008), and other similar situated persons. The next 10% range from the millionaires to the 1% ultra-rich that live in a completely different world. For around 5 years in the 50s everyone could get high paying jobs with great pensions built on the back of strong unions. That disappeared instantly as capital found ways to disassociate workers and turn themselves against one another. 70 years later we're in gilded age 2.0 and spiraling rapidly back towards tenement farms and indentured servitude.
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Jan 22, 2019 18:21
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Mr. Nice! posted:Basically 80% of america is made up of varying levels of poor. Almost all of that group would be bankrupted by cancer. The few that wouldn't are on some form of socialized medicine. Agreed except it's more like 95% and then 4% is bourgeois and 1% is the 1% 15% of the country is incarcerated, destitute and/or homeless; 80% fall somewhere on a spectrum of "sporadically unemployed and/or homeless" to "making ends meet but would be bankrupted by a serious hospitalization or a 60 day government shutdown," and the 5% is as above. Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Jan 22, 2019 18:45
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Agreed except it's more like 95% and then 4% is bourgeois and 1% is the 1% This is better and more specific.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Agreed except it's more like 95% and then 4% is bourgeois and 1% is the 1% Didn't know I live in the US
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Jan 22, 2019 19:00
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We have less incidences of insurance fraud so we do not have dash cams in every single vehicle...yet.
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Jan 22, 2019 19:06
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Dash cams aren't for insurance, they're against bribe extortion by traffic police and for youtube videos
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I’m 100% sure I’ll be up against the wall once the revolution comes but until then 
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disjoe posted:I’m 100% sure I’ll be up against the wall once the revolution comes but until then 
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disjoe posted:I’m 100% sure I’ll be up against the wall once the revolution comes but until then poo poo I'm an actual communist party member which is basically suicide for me, because I'm the middle classest middle class fucker who ever middle classed. That said it means something slightly different over here.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Basically 80% of america is made up of varying levels of poor. Almost all of that group would be bankrupted by cancer. The few that wouldn't are on some form of socialized medicine. This is basically right. The capital class is like 0.1-3% of the country (depending on how it's defined) and possesses the lion's share of the wealth and power. They can live off of rent and investment income and don't have to work if they don't want to. The knowledge workers are the new bourgeoisie but make up only 10% or 15% of the country. Useful enough to add value in ways that can't yet be fully outsourced or automated. These are developers, researchers, attorneys, finance people, etc. These people can generally achieve what's traditionally been described as a middle class standard of living if they're fortunate. This type of work requires more education than most people can afford (or a special upbringing). The bottom 80% or so are the working class. This includes most of what was formerly the middle class of the 50's-80's. Most of these people consider themselves middle class but many of them will lose everything in the next downturn because they're leveraged to hell trying to maintain their parents' standard of living. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Dont forget the boomers that are like real estate agents or jet ski mechanics or whatever bullshit that's not really a profession you can get into easily or make much money off of anymore. But they figure THEY made enough money to buy a boat and a nice house off it, so why can't you, whiny entitled millenials? My favorite among the various tropes and stories that people get told to erode class solidarity, turn people against each other, and obscure the real adversary
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Jan 22, 2019 21:07
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I sent three kids to school through my laser disc repair business. Just work harder and you can do the same!!
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terrorist ambulance posted:Dont forget the boomers that are like real estate agents or jet ski mechanics or whatever bullshit that's not really a profession you can get into easily or make much money off of anymore. But they figure THEY made enough money to buy a boat and a nice house off it, so why can't you, whiny entitled millenials? Also the boomers who refuse to retire from their senior positions, keeping everyone behind them locked out of career progression.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Also the boomers who refuse to retire from their senior positions, keeping everyone behind them locked out of career progression. I have a gut feeling that a significant number of those positions will just end when the person filling them retires.
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Jan 22, 2019 22:27
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Pook Good Mook posted:I have a gut feeling that a significant number of those positions will just end when the person filling them retires. Wow. You're right too, aren't you? God damnit.
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Pook Good Mook posted:I have a gut feeling that a significant number of those positions will just end when the person filling them retires. Yup. What age is the youngest Boomer now? My parents are a couple years in to Medicaid (which they spent their voting years hollowing out). Is the youngest Boomer still in their 50s? I love my parents, but I support full scale generational warfare. I also support class warfare.
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Boomers were born up to 60 or so and gen x ends sometime in the early 80s. Most the horrible people we think of as boomers are actually gen x types.
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Pook Good Mook posted:I have a gut feeling that a significant number of those positions will just end when the person filling them retires. Yeah, look at tenure track positions at universities.
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I am surprised to see a lot of highly accurate class analysis ITT
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re: accurate class analysis, don't visit the goon doctor discord.
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I’m a communist but also a giant hypocrite who represents insurance companies and used to own a business. I agree with class analysis as done in this thread.
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Vox Nihili posted:This is basically right. the capital class is the bourgeoisie
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I don't know if I'm a communist or a socialist or a capigalist or just an angry person I'd get classified as any of those sides of political spectrum depending on where I am geographically
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I sorta just think you shouldn't have to die for being poor. I dunno where that puts me.
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The Dagda posted:I am surprised to see a lot of highly accurate class analysis ITT Lawyers are educated enough to recognize the only warfare that matters (class warfare), "rich" and positioned enough to interact with the enemy, but still poor enough to realize that we don't belong.
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nm posted:I sorta just think you shouldn't have to die for being poor. I dunno where that puts me. It's a little more complicated than that: should you be enslaved for being poor? I can't wait to see if a certain poster pops up this is a bait post the emails
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nm posted:I sorta just think you shouldn't have to die for being poor. I dunno where that puts me. Decent human being? Pook Good Mook posted:Lawyers are educated enough to recognize the only warfare that matters (class warfare), "rich" and positioned enough to interact with the enemy, but still poor enough to realize that we don't belong. So long as you're not a partner, sure. The thing I find hardest to discuss with ordinary people is that for some reason, nobody understands that the capital class didn't "earn" their money. They keep (through extensive propaganda efforts) getting viewed as some sort of ultra smart ultra hard worker that just plain made it when it's actually 99,9% inherited aristocractic money or sheer luck that put them there. Nobody with a personal fortune over tens of millions of dollars "earned" that money. It's a factual impossibility that personal effort can produce that wealth for you, so they must per definition have exploited others to get there. The trouble is, way too few people realize that it is exploitation and it is not morally justified out of some misplaced ideology of personal property. It is wrong. They are culpable. It is not deserved and they are not entitled to it. It is not morally justified ever to pay a worker anything less than 100% of the value they produce. It's not difficult and has been a basic known concept for at least a couple of hundred years. We have to all of us as a society consider obscene wealth, consumerism and exploitation of workers (and I do include everyone who earns an actual normal taxed wage or similar in this) completely morally unacceptable. Until we do, capitalism will self perpetuate, destroy our environment beyond the sustainability of advanced human civilization and certainly lead to the next big war. Now watch this drive.
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Agree about earning obscene wealth. If you have enough net worth where your money makes enough money for you to live on in luxury, no one “earned” that. The tax code is hosed that it treats money earned by work worse than stock market gambling winnings. Also, at least here, I think a lot of people actually do recognize rich people didn’t earn it. But they respect that that person was willing to gently caress over other people. And they want the chance to be that person (they never will). We’re all wannabe criminals too dumb to realize the game’s rigged.
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Nothing tickles me more than people who reside in the top 1% of earners in the entire world complaining about wealth inequality by tictacking on their thousand dollar phones.
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All warfare, even class warfare, is just economic policy in action.
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blarzgh posted:Nothing tickles me more than people who reside in the top 1% of earners in the entire world complaining about wealth inequality by tictacking on their thousand dollar phones. I'm tired of these fat cat teacher strikes too
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