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People will put up with a lot of poo poo as long as you keep them fed, warm and healthy. If you can't do that, you need to at least keep the police and military content. It might be that things are finally becoming so dire that the regime can no longer reliably do that. E: Also, stop trying to engage honestly with caps. He's been conditioned to cover his ears and scream "Allende!" whenever someone brings up what a piece of poo poo Maduro is. Mr. Sunshine fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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qkkl posted:Think of the donated cow as a tax. Taxes help society, and in turn help society help you keep farming. This is less a tax and more a vacuna you pay to the mob so they don't gently caress you up.
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I went to sleep at around midnight last night, and there was still fresh videos of protests coming out of Caracas. It was a long night. One fact that immediately stands out is that these protests happened in poor areas of Caracas. Cotiza, Catia, 23 de enero, La Vega, Petare... ten years ago, these were the only places in Caracas that wouldn't see protests. These were all Chavista strongholds once, and yesterday they were the first areas of the city to rise up against the regime. Here's video from La Vega last night. The caption says that the gunfire you hear is from the National Bolivarian Police: https://twitter.com/RayliLujan/status/1087549135979495425 A TeleSur journalist tweeted a message out last night that I think is going to become the regime line for these protests. She claimed that the protests were being paid for and staged by Voluntad Popular, which is a popular opposition party and the party to which National Assembly president Juan Guaido belongs. This is similar to what the regime said about all of the other protests that have taken place in Venezuela, except that those tended to take place (at least in Caracas) in middle class neighbourhoods. Of course, that's a load of BS. As I've been saying for years, the problems afflicting the country like hyperinflation, scarcity and insecurity affect the poor the most. It was only a matter of time before they reached their breaking point.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:This is the standard liberal interventionist two step: apologize and handwring about the 100+ other interventions in latin america that happened in the past century while playing coy about the one currently unfolding. I realize you are extremely stupid CAPS LOCK but you could you at least try to string your talking points into coherent sentences. This doesn't even make any sense. Especially since if I was quite explicitly saying that it is increasingly likely the US will be intervening in Venezuela. Although as yet I haven't seen any evidence it has done more than continue to diplomatically isolate Maduro in Latin America and fund the opposition parties. Mr. Sunshine posted:E: Also, stop trying to engage honestly with caps. He's been conditioned to cover his ears and scream "Allende!" whenever someone brings up what a piece of poo poo Maduro is. It's especially weird because as far as I can tell he is not a socialist in any real sense. The only ideology I can parse out of his posts is Han Supremacy and a really crude version of it too.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:E: Also, stop trying to engage honestly with caps. He's been conditioned to cover his ears and scream "Allende!" whenever someone brings up what a piece of poo poo Maduro is. Bringing up Allende is funny to me because Chile's economy under Allende broke in an almost identical way to how Venezuela's is right now.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Bringing up Allende is funny to me because Chile's economy under Allende broke in an almost identical way to how Venezuela's is right now.
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Bob le Moche posted:Yeah and people like you were supporting Pinochet for the same reasons also, that's very funny, absolutely hilarious "doctor strangelove". ok So what’s your take on the current situation?
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Bob le Moche posted:Yeah and people like you were supporting Pinochet for the same reasons also, that's very funny, absolutely hilarious "doctor strangelove". ok
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Bob le Moche posted:Yeah and people like you were supporting Pinochet for the same reasons also, that's very funny, absolutely hilarious "doctor strangelove". Thank god we have you here to support the modern Pinochets. LeoMarr posted:holy poo poo its the downfall of chavismo (hopefully) I'll believe it when I see it. By all rights this bizarre right wing kleptocracy known as the PSUV should have collapsed years prior.
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fishmech posted:Indeed, your standard pattern is to yell about fascism, and then violently support fascism, because you are a silly neoliberal worshipper of capitalism. fishmech posted:Thank god we have you here to support the modern Pinochets.
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Bob le Moche posted:Throughout the years your posts on this forum have never made any sense. How is it possible to be so confused about literally everything? I would think you're trolling but it's hard to imagine anyone having the dedication to keep it up for so long. You actively support right wing capitalist dictators, sir.
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Bob le Moche posted:Throughout the years your posts on this forum have never made any sense. How is it possible to be so confused about literally everything? I would think you're trolling but it's hard to imagine anyone having the dedication to keep it up for so long. ok so what’s your take on the current situation?
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Oh god bob le moche is back to DEFEND THE REGIME at a critical point Dont worry bob in about a year youll be squeeking about how venezuela was never socialist WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Bob le Moche posted:Throughout the years your posts on this forum have never made any sense. How is it possible to be so confused about literally everything? I would think you're trolling but it's hard to imagine anyone having the dedication to keep it up for so long. I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts about these recent events.
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Last week a group of men in Venezuelan army uniforms released a video from Peru saying that they were rebelling against the Maduro regime. They cited the constitution, and said that they did not recognize Maduro as president or commander in chief, and that they recognized National Assembly president Juan Guaido as interim president of Venezuela. Here's the video: https://twitter.com/GregJaimes/status/1085710680819421184 The video was strange because it was recorded in Peru. I think that the people in the video are deserters who simply kept their uniforms when they left Venezuela and ended up in Peru. I didn't really think much of the video until yesterday, when a second similar video was shared online, this one recorded in Colombia. In this second video, the men in uniform also say that they support Guaido, and that they are teaming up with the Peruvian group and "heading to the border", presumably to launch some kind of guerrilla war against the regime. This is the video: https://twitter.com/Gbastidas/status/1087515224675106816 I saw a lot of talk on Twitter about what the videos might mean, and if they might be a sign of an escalation. I think that more than anything else, these kinds of videos are meant to persuade army units inside Venezuela to rebel. It's impossible to tell how big this group of rebels might be, but it's probably 20-40 strong. I don't know exactly what these people are hoping to accomplish by heading to the border (and then...? Fighting the Venezuelan army? Liberating towns?), so until we see some concrete action I can't say that I think these videos amount to much.
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LeoMarr posted:Oh god bob le moche is back to DEFEND THE REGIME at a critical point He realized a while ago that defending the indefensible was a losing battle, so now he'll just concern troll about any possible alternative to Maduro being worse.
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Well I'm glad the pretense is dropping and we're finally past the point where bringing up parallels with Chile was outrageous because nobody here would ever support Pinochet and the situations have nothing in common, and that you now you feel comfortable saying that actually the same thing is happening.LeoMarr posted:Dont worry bob in about a year youll be squeeking about how venezuela was never socialist Furia posted:so what’s your take on the current situation? Giggle Goose posted:I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts about these recent events. Blue Nation posted:I had some "representatives of the community" come to my farm asking to donate a cow. Which I'm pretty much forced to do because the other option is to have a mob armed with machetes breaking in and killing all of my source of income. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sure is weird that you keep bringing in Chile in defense of a murderous right wing kleptocrat who horribly mismanaged an economy and completely demolished social welfare.
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fishmech posted:Sure is weird that you keep bringing in Chile in defense of a murderous right wing kleptocrat who horribly mismanaged an economy and completely demolished social welfare.
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Bob le Moche posted:Yes we get it fishmech, the Venezuelan government is a far-right capitalist dictatorship.
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Bob le Moche posted:Yes we get it fishmech, the Venezuelan government is a far-right capitalist dictatorship and you're actually being a good and pure anti-capitalist by joining Trump, Bolsonaro, Duque Márquez, and the Pinochet defenders in supporting a coup against it. If only everyone could see the light like you do and have such clean hands as yours. FWIW the country is basically a military junta at this point, with Maduro's continued rule backed by generals he's brought into the government rather than by democratic legitimacy after the last sham election. Referring to other parts of the military backing the guys the last actual democratic election in the country elected as a coup seems a bit unfair in that context. I'm extremely suspicious of Trump and Bolsonaro too, but Trump barely knows what Venezuela is other than something to throw in the face of the libs back home, so I'm skeptical about US fingerprints being all over any and all opposition to the massive failure that is Maduro's regime.
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Couldn't believe my friend bob was supporting they guy that is looting the peoples Venezuela as we speak.
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Bob le Moche posted:Please explain how anyone who actually cares about the welfare of the Venezuelan people and making sure the poor have enough to eat, and is not primarily concerned with protecting the interests of the ownership class, is supposed to see community redistribution of privately-owned food in a moment of extreme crisis as anything other than a positive thing? If you keep dairy cows alive instead of slaughtering them they can produce more food in the long term than if you eat them in their prime. I keep remembering that post someone made about feasting on delicious goose flesh instead of waiting for the golden eggs. It’s like the perfect metaphor for the Venezuelan economy.
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Squalid posted:If you keep dairy cows alive instead of slaughtering them they can produce more food in the long term than if you eat them in their prime. Just like all the GM cars and Kimberly Clark paper products the PSUV is churning out from the factories they expropriated, oh wait...
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Bob le Moche posted:Yes we get it fishmech, the Venezuelan government is a far-right capitalist dictatorship It sure is! Bob le Moche posted:and you're actually being a good and pure anti-capitalist by joining Trump, Bolsonaro, Duque Márquez, and the Pinochet defenders in supporting a coup against it. If only everyone could see the light like you do and have such clean hands as yours. Weird how down you are on Trump for a guy who is literally supporting a Trump figure in Maduro. But no, unlike you I don't like fascists, sorry.
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Hate it when my socialist economy breaks for Some Reason at a critical moment for capital to devastate the country
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Getting this pushed in American "leftist" spaces, how would you address/assess some of these "points" https://youtu.be/_fV-C1Ag5sI
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Is the Venezuelan military still being paid? I think technically, but the currency is worthless. Half the news reports I've seen in the last couple of months feature stories of national guards involved with the oil industry demanding bribes from the oil tankers they're guarding.
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Like dublish said, even if you're getting paid inflation is out of control. It was 1.4 million % last year, if I remember correctly, and the inflation rate for January was 100%. In the video showing the negotiation between the National Guard commander and the soldiers who mutinied in Cotiza yesterday, you can hear the soldiers explicitly complain that they aren't getting paid and/or that they aren't getting paid enough. One of the soldiers even said that his family is homeless because he can't even afford to live in a shack. I'd like to add subtitles to that video, but the huge "@SoldadosDFranelas" text gets in the way... Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:I just wanted to quote this portion because it is absolutely breathtakingly loving insane who knows, but apparently maduro says he went into the future and said it was all cool. https://www.elnuevoherald.com/noticias/mundo/america-latina/venezuela-es/article224629210.html quote:Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro surprised the Armed Forces of his country on Monday when during an inspection of the preparations for the Military Exercise Soberanía 2019 he assured that he had traveled to the future and returned. this is gonna end with him either getting shot behind a government building or being dragged through street behind a bus, isn't it?
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Getting this pushed in American "leftist" spaces, how would you address/assess some of these "points" "tankie idiots"
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National Assembly deputy Jose Manuel Olivares says that one protester has been killed in Vargas state (EDIT: Apologies--I'm confused. The death happened in Catia, Caracas. It's also being reported by Roman Camacho, who is usually accurate). If confirmed, this would be the first casualty of what's turning out to be the 2019 protest wave. There are protests breaking out in Caracas, Playa Grande (in Caracas), San Felix (Bolivar state), and Los Teques. Those are just the places I've seen videos/pictures from. Tweet announcing the protester death: https://twitter.com/joseolivaresm/status/1087904146144014337 In San Felix, protesters have burned a statue of Hugo Chavez: https://twitter.com/Watcher_Ven/status/1087900987929620480 In Catia, another solid Chavista stronghold now home to anti-Maduro protests: https://twitter.com/SergioNovelli/status/1087887005575536640 https://twitter.com/ReporteYa/status/1087890341250895872 Punkin Spunkin posted:Getting this pushed in American "leftist" spaces, how would you address/assess some of these "points" I don't mean to be rude but you'd have to pay me triple digits to get me to watch that whole thing. Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:"Be assured. I tell you with certainty. I went to the future and I returned and saw that everything goes well and that the civic-military union guarantees peace and happiness to our people,” he concluded. This has to be a mistranslation. 
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Getting this pushed in American "leftist" spaces, how would you address/assess some of these "points" hello thread. can you do my homework for me please. need to own the drat tankies online.
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Lightning Knight posted:This has to be a mistranslation. You must be new here.
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Lightning Knight posted:This has to be a mistranslation. Eh it's exactly as moored to reality as anything else Maduro says.
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