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PostNouveau posted:All the dialogue is horrible and horribly delivered because Lucas "stylized" it that way. So you are saying the good parts were accidental and he didn’t intend them to do it like that. The guy who had complete and utter control over all aspects of the movie.
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quote:Anakin is not ‘consumed by a fire of hate’. Anakin is consumed by a fire of magma. You know, magma's irritating and gets everywhere. And once it cools it forms rocks and sand.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:03
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euphronius posted:So you are saying the good parts were accidental and he didn’t intend them to do it like that. The guy who had complete and utter control over all aspects of the movie. I mean, I sure hope he intended for their performances to be good. You'd think that would be a major goal of a director for every movie. He got good performances out of those two, and then complete dogshit out of the other 85% of the cast.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:03
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euphronius posted:As has been pointed out Luke’s Temple was on his home world since that is where the clue to him was found right by Lars in the beginning of TFA Luke's temple was on Polis Masa? That'd be pretty neat
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Jan 23, 2019 16:05
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euphronius posted:If trump called immigrants “animals” you’d rightly call him a racist demagogue. Have you ever heard of Tarzan, ya dingus? Mowgli? Have you ever cracked a book in your life? No? Then don't go flinging around terms you don't understand. Don't start throwing heavy things around if you don't want heavy things thrown back at you. That's a free lesson. You didn't even need to read a book for that.
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PostNouveau posted:I mean, I sure hope he intended for their performances to be good. You'd think that would be a major goal of a director for every movie. He got what he was going for yeah. I can definitely see and am understanding of the point of view that the anachronistic line reads and stylization rub modern viewers the wrong way. It just kind of baffles me that the criticism is reserved for the prequels when it’s all over the ot as well.
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PostNouveau posted:All the dialogue is horrible and horribly delivered because Lucas "stylized" it that way. Something could be intentional but still executed poorly. Shocking revelation, I know. Cnut the Great posted:Have you ever heard of Tarzan, ya dingus? Mowgli? Have you ever cracked a book in your life? No? Then don't go flinging around terms you don't understand. Don't start throwing heavy things around if you don't want heavy things thrown back at you. That's a free lesson. You didn't even need to read a book for that. lmao Chewbacca has displayed way human characteristics than Tarzan and Mowgli at the beginning of their respective arcs. Like no poo poo Chewie is a big yeti dude; that doesn't mean he's less of a person than Han, Luke, and Leia. Equeen fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Equeen posted:Something could be intentional but still executed poorly. Shocking revelation, I know. What was executed poorly.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:07
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euphronius posted:To be fair that is a pretty racist thing to say. It seems like he can't go a single post without saying something blatantly racist and then he blames everyone else for it.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:10
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So you are saying calling Chewbacca an animal isn’t racist because he’s Tarzan?
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jivjov posted:Luke's temple was on Polis Masa? That'd be pretty neat Is that the Eu location ? I don’t know that.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:13
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That's the asteroid base/planet from Revenge of the Sith where Padme gave birth.
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euphronius posted:Is that the Eu location ? I don’t know that. Polis Massa (sorry, misspelled it the first time) is where Luke and Leia were born.
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jivjov posted:Polis Massa (sorry, misspelled it the first time) is where Luke and Leia were born. Fair enough and yeah that is correct. But Luke also considered the planet to be home and I think people refer to - for example - their “home state” or “Home city” as the place they were born or the place they were principally raised or currently live.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:22
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Polis Massa is Tattooine
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Equeen posted:lmao Chewbacca has displayed way human characteristics than Tarzan and Mowgli at the beginning of their respective arcs. Like no poo poo Chewie is a big yeti dude; that doesn't mean he's less of a person that Han, Luke, and Leia. Chewbacca is a man with distinctly bestial characteristics and mannerisms who is also a sophisticated and intelligent technological being. He can pilot spaceships and effect complex repairs to machinery just as easily as he can blindly wander into a trap in the forest because he smells a dead animal and wants to eat it. Just as do Tarzan and Mowgli, he represents the everpresent tension between the primeval and civilized aspects of man. That's the only reason he exists in the narrative. He doesn't even have an arc. He's aesthetic flair. He was based on George Lucas's dog. Han Solo literally pets him:  Now do I get a pet on the head for pointing out the obvious to you? euphronius posted:So you are saying calling Chewbacca an animal isn’t racist because he’s Tarzan? No one is talking to you anymore. You've gotten all I'm going to give you, and you should be grateful for that much. Sit down and listen now.
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euphronius posted:Bad acting: Lucas fault Am I wrong though? Please point out all these other great directed actors. Ian mcdiarmid is a stage actor, he's used to projecting. Ewan McGregor is a fantastic actor, but he's also an indie at heart, so star wars is the least work he's every had to do.
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bushisms.txt posted:Am I wrong though? Please point out all these other great directed actors. Ian mcdiarmid is a stage actor, he's used to projecting. What specifically are you asking me for again.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:26
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Is george a good director of actors?
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bushisms.txt posted:Is george a good director of actors? What is your criteria for good. Does he get the performance he wants from them? Yes.
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I think it’s funny that the defense of “my POV isn’t racist” relies on Tarzan and the Jungle book.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:31
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euphronius posted:What is your criteria for good. Does he get the performance he wants from them? Yes. No he doesn't. Lol, we know for a fact he edits their performances together to make it work.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:34
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bushisms.txt posted:No he doesn't. Lol, we one for a fact he edits their performances together to make it work. How is editing a sign of bad directing. Every director edits different takes together. I guess there are some directors who specialize in single takes.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:35
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Wait, so a director literally edits individual takes into a single moment and you think that means he got what he wanted? Lol Google sloppy edits in revenge of the sith and then stop trying to defend him
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Jan 23, 2019 16:38
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bushisms.txt posted:Wait, so a director literally edits individual takes into a single moment and you think that means he got what he wanted? Lol You may be right and if that is fact not a normal cinematic practice then that is evidence he is a bad director of actors in that context.
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It's not, most directors literally don't have the means to do it.
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Do all wookies go to heaven?
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ruddiger posted:Do all wookies go to heaven? Yes, but they have to stop by purgatoory first.
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ruddiger posted:Do all wookies go to heaven? God doesn't care about furry animals or droids.
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What would Rudyard Kipling think about Chewbacca? An interesting avenue of exploration.
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bushisms.txt posted:It's not, most directors literally don't have the means to do it. I cede to you on that point then as I’m not up do date on editing techniques.
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I don't think "comping multiple takes into a single take" is a sign of bad direction because Fincher does it too. I'm sure there's others as well. It's just utilizing all the tools available to them. And even if it is sign of bad directing, at what point do you draw the line on how much editing means the directing is bad?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9VhORkPv7wGeorge Lucas posted:I said, "Well, I got this movie ... it's sort of a space opera thing we have ... I think dogs driving spaceships ..." Of course the animal aspect which lies within all men is just as much an asset as it can be a liability. Note that Chewbacca's act of "thinking with his stomach" is precisely what brings the heroes into contact with the Ewoks, whose primitive connection to nature plays an integral role in the Rebels' triumph over the purely technological Empire. Jar Jar's similar act of thinking with his stomach, combined with his clumsiness, is what brings the heroes of that film into contact with the child Anakin, who like the diminutive Ewoks represents a more youthful and innocent state of existence. Anakin too proves instrumental in the heroes' triumph over a technological enemy, when he obliterates the droid control ship through a compounding series of clumsy "errors." Chewbacca's hunger connects the heroes with the Ewoks, who themselves nearly eat the heroes before turning their energies against the Empire. Jar Jar's clumsiness connects the heroes with Anakin, whose clumsiness ends up defeating the Trade Federation. These are all intentional connections. bushisms.txt posted:Wait, so a director literally edits individual takes into a single moment and you think that means he got what he wanted? Lol Lots of directors end up realizing they didn't get exactly what they wanted when it comes time to edit. Every director has experienced this, in fact. They just end up going with the best shot they have, because it's all they have. The only difference here is that Lucas had the ability to manipulate the actors' takes in post. So he did. And no one seemed to notice until years later, and even then it's only noticeable if you're paying attention to Anakin's face while Palpatine is speaking. So it seems like his implementation of the technology was pretty successful, even in such a primitive form. Disney has been further developing the technology in recent years and I would be surprised if this doesn't eventually become a standard editing tool. It's just too useful not to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nJpaCXL0k For those claiming this proves George Lucas is sloppy for editing individual takes into a single moment, you may be surprised to learn that David Fincher routinely does just that and has for pretty much his entire career: quote:As seen in Zhou’s video essay about the four things Fincher doesn’t do, handheld is not one of the element that feeds the filmmaker’s work. His use of stable frames in general has allowed him to develop a filmmaking habit of mixing takes within invisible split-screens. Nothing you see in a movie is actually real. It's all an illusion. Time and space are always being manipulated in some way. I love what Paul Bettany had to say about it: quote:A lot of your relationship with Elizabeth Olsen’s Wanda happens off-screen. How did you two go about building this chemistry that we're mostly meant to take for granted? What people don't realize is that even practical effects aren't real. When Luke was doing his scenes with Yoda in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, he was talking to a silent puppet, because he couldn't hear Frank Oz underneath the floor; Frank Oz then dubbed his own lines in a recording booth. When you see a head-on shot of a character talking to Jabba the Hutt in Return of the Jedi, they aren't talking to a fully-operated Jabba puppet; they're talking to a piece of tape on the wall behind the camera. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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No one is arguing that it isn’t *possible* to read Chewbacca as subhuman
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Cnut the Great posted:I expect SMG and various others will be along shortly to inform me that my association of Darth Maul's bright red skin with evil is indicative of a toxic racism towards Native Americans. "No no no, Darth Maul has red skin because he is an alien who evolved different pigments in his epidermis. Duh." Film analysis! Lucas is referring to Maul’s face tattoo. It has a flamelike design that he deliberately chose to accentuate his skin colour. ‘Evil’ is not a racial trait. Maul wants the Jedi to go to hell - why not? To that end, he uses the tattoos, martial-arts training and deliberate silence to fashion himself into a figure of vengeance - vengeance for his people. He’s a person. He’s not a subhuman machine. Btw he’s a gif of Han petting a bestial Luke Skywalker:  Here's the same bestial Luke Skywalker petting a bestial R2D2: 
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euphronius posted:No one is arguing that it isn’t *possible* to read Chewbacca as subhuman You do understand I'm far smarter than you, right? That can't possibly have escaped your notice, even as dull as you are. This is not me bragging about my intelligence, by the way. I am truly of strictly average intelligence. Think about the implications of that. I think even you can figure out what that means. Please stop. I know I said I'd leave you alone, but this is too tempting, and everyone knows how little willpower I have when it comes to keeping away from the chew toy. I don't want to keep doing this, but at this point you're really only doing it to yourself. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Lucas is referring to Maul’s face tattoo. It has a flamelike design that he deliberately chose to accentuate his skin colour. quote:MOYERS: And does your use of red suggest the flames of hell? This is basic reading comprehension, SMG. And now we bring you a bit from our newest segment, SMG's Greatest Hits: SuperMechagodzilla posted:Anakin is not ‘consumed by a fire of hate’. Anakin is consumed by a fire of magma.  IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS (AND I MEAN IMMEDIATELY):    “Hm, yes, well, you see, your pitiful worship of the Author-God blah blah blah blah blah FAAAAART.” I mean, Christ, SMG. You would fail an introductory film studies course. You’re a clown. Let this post stand as a monument to your towering stupidity. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It's actually canon now that Darth Maul does not have facial tattoos. That's literally how his race of people look. Facial tattoos may have been the case when Phantom Menace released, but now he has a recognized race and they all look similar.
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There's nothing in that Lucas quote that says Maul is racially inferior. It simply says that Lucas used red as a part of Maul's design. Maul himself uses red: the red of his skin is used as part of his tattoo's design. You are choosing to perceive Maul as racially inferior, marked like Cain by author-god Lucas. In that way, you are twisting the quote into something racist. But you're not even consistent about this. Obiwan flies a red ship. Does that also represent the mechanical fires of I said come in! posted:It's actually canon now that Darth Maul does not have facial tattoos. That's literally how his race of people look. Facial tattoos may have been the case when Phantom Menace released, but now he has a recognized race and they all look similar. 
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Cnut the Great posted:You do understand I'm far smarter than you, right? That can't possibly have escaped your notice, even as dull as you are. woof
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“I mean, you can't say they don't look like that. That's what they look like, right? They look like prawns.” -Cnut watching District 9
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