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euphronius posted:No one is arguing that it isn’t *possible* to read Chewbacca as subhuman It's funny because in Mel Brooks' seminal lampoon spoof, Spaceballs, he makes the same dog comparison that Cnut does by turning Chewbacca into a Mog, a half-man, half-dog person, but unlike Cnut, he doesn't read the character as an animalistic stereotype, but rather gives Barf culture (his full name is Barfolemew, which implies class stature), religion (Barf's an implied christian as he recites the Lord's Prayer during the final act), and his own agency (he's "his own best friend" and has thus transcended both his dog half and his narcissistic human half who needs validation from outsides species because he can't be his own best friend).
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Cnut the Great posted:And you're a blithering moron who has never contributed anything remotely worthwhile to the thread in all the years I've seen you post here. But at least what I said has the benefit of being true. This is a pretty good self own tho.
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Jan 23, 2019 18:19
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I am thoroughly enjoying this
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Cnut the Great posted:That moment represents the final death of the last remaining vestige of Anakin Skywalker. It's the moment of ultimate despair where he has lost the very last thing tying him to humanity and shuts down once and for all, giving himself fully to the machine. It is the last step in his reconstruction as Vader, which is why Sidious is so happy. Here's the thing: Vader is obviously not emotionless, and clearly displays emotion in every Star Wars movie in which he appears, starting from the first. He gets annoyed or full-on angry, he acts petty and spiteful, he gets confused, he makes little jokes to himself, he emotes animatedly with his arms and stance even though we can't see his facial expression. If you think that Vader is an emotionless machine, you are in disagreement with Luke Skywalker himself, who correctly judged that Vader actually has plenty of complex feelings which he's just trained himself not to act on. Like, you understand that if someone gets really, really mad, like screaming-at-God mad, and then a little while later they're standing quietly with their arms crossed, they haven't stopped feeling things, right? While someone in a sulk would certainly like to think that they are, or that they look like, an unfeeling automaton, the truth is that they're in a sulk. They're feeling all kinds of stuff. Bongo Bill pointed out earlier that you're badly confusing the idea of being dehumanized (socially designated as lacking human rights, and therefore an acceptable target of abuse) and not being a person (being, like, a tree stump or a cow). You treat characters within the world of Star Wars who are dehumanized (like R2D2, or Darth Vader) as though they actually aren't people and actually, morally, deserve to be treated like slaves and monsters. Well, you're also confusing the idea of being emotionally closed off and of being emotionless. If someone is badly hurt, they may turn inward and become unwilling to express their feelings to others. But those feelings are still there - something being repressed is not the same as something being absent. And the proof is right there at the end of the third movie - RotJ ends with Vader's repressed emotions coming to the fore, just as Luke predicts. Your problem is that you've decided what the answer has to be before actually making an investigation, which is why you keep making all these nonsensical and internally contradictory claims about acting too emotionally is what makes people into emotionless machines or how a droid's lack of emotion is evident in the way that a droid is incapable of restricting or disciplining their emotions. Also, speaking of the end of RotJ, Cnut the Great posted:This is all meaningless blather. The intellectual clarity of my post juxtaposed against the confused word salad which you have produced to respond to it is sufficient counter-response. I only respond to you when it presents an opportunity for constructive correction or elaboration on a topic which interests me. This squishy turd of yours presents no such opportunities. However, I do want to draw special attention to this, for entertainment purposes: Here you're responding to a very straightforward, and trivially true point: Luke's intent at the end of RotJ is to kill the Emperor with Vader's help. He succeeds. So what's the problem? Why do you cringe away from actually responding?
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Jan 23, 2019 18:38
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Its interesting how easily and quickly feelings of superiority come to him.
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Jan 23, 2019 18:49
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It’s important to understand that was punctuated with the slap of a glove across the cheek.
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Jan 23, 2019 18:58
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Seeing the color orange intelligently: Luke Skywalker's orange jumpsuit shows that he is a bestial, animalistic, child-creature (fire-creature) governed by mechanical impulses. The pure hatred of the jumpsuit consumes Luke, consuming him in the system (machine). He's soulless. He's a goddamn monkey.
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Cnut the Great posted:You do understand I'm far smarter than you, right? That can't possibly have escaped your notice, even as dull as you are. in case you didnt figure it out euphronis, cnut is calling you stupid
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Imagine being such an rear end in a top hat in an argument that SMG comes off as the reasonable one
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Seeing the color orange intelligently: C’mon, you apes! You wanna live forever by the grace of the living Force?!
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Ferrinus posted:C’mon, you apes! You wanna live forever by the grace of the living Force?! Everyone fought, and no one quit.
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Jan 23, 2019 19:03
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Seeing the color orange intelligently:  
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Jan 23, 2019 19:08
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Slutitution posted:How about Knights of the Old Republic with the tone of Blade Runner, with an emphasis on the majestic power and ideology of the Jedi and the Sith. The plot can involve some detective noir stuff. Yep, and for love of the Force, include HK-47.
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ruddiger posted:(he's "his own best friend" and has thus transcended both his dog half and his narcissistic human half who needs validation from outsides species because he can't be his own best friend). this is an extremely funny post, thank you
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Ferrinus posted:Here you're responding to a very straightforward, and trivially true point: Luke's intent at the end of RotJ is to kill the Emperor with Vader's help. He succeeds. So what's the problem? Why do you cringe away from actually responding? This might be a good time to point out Cnut will not answer the question of whether calling fictional black characters - in this case, Mace Windu - the n-word is racist or not (it is, Cnut); in fact, he threw a bizarre temper tantrum when the question was posed to him.
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Jan 23, 2019 21:56
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Jan 23, 2019 23:30
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Slutitution posted:This might be a good time to point out Cnut will not answer the question of whether calling fictional black characters - in this case, Mace Windu - the n-word is racist or not (it is, Cnut); in fact, he threw a bizarre temper tantrum when the question was posed to him. Not to toot my own horn but, actually, it was posed to me and I dismantled that challenge’s premises fully and thoroughly.
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porfiria posted:Not to toot my own horn but, actually, it was posed to me and I dismantled that challenge’s premises fully and thoroughly. It was posed to him as well. I must have missed your answer, though. So, are you a racist? 
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Slutitution posted:It was posed to him as well. I must have missed your answer, though. So, are you a racist? I am a racist but the premise is still flawed.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:21
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porfiria posted:I am a racist but the premise is still flawed. So own it and call Mace Windu the n-word, then.
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Slutitution posted:So own it and call Mace Windu the n-word, then. I already have search through my post history.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:27
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porfiria posted:I already have search through my post history. You gave a dodgy answer last time. Now is the time to be explicit about it.
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The solution to this gordian knot is that even if you don't consider Mace Windu a person or whatever that particular stupid argument is, leaving aside the person who is portraying the fictional non-person or whatever the gently caress, the n-word has its own connotations in reality and you're bringing them in when you use it. It would not be much better if, for instance, you called Boba Fett, Poe, Kit Fisto, or Han Solo that word. The word still has weight, same as when idiot high schoolers throw it or other words around, like when they use "gay" or the r-word as a negative. e: I'm probably wording this badly RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 24, 2019 |
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Slutitution posted:You gave a dodgy answer last time. Now is the time to be explicit about it. Okay let me blunt: I have irrefutable proof that Mace Windu wasn’t born on Coruscant and was in fact born on Cato Neimodia. I’ll will be posting this proof on my blog in the days to come.
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porfiria posted:Okay let me blunt: I have irrefutable proof that Mace Windu wasn’t born on Coruscant and was in fact born on Cato Neimodia. I’ll will be posting this proof on my blog in the days to come. Why not just call Mace Windu the n-word now and get it over with?
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Slutitution posted:So own it and call Mace Windu the n-word, then. you seem extremely cool and normal how did this thread end up in the place where people are making this baffling argument
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Cease to Hope posted:you seem extremely cool and normal People are trying very hard to own each other and not doing a great job of it
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Cease to Hope posted:you seem extremely cool and normal This thread is hilariously terrible. I love it.
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Cease to Hope posted:you seem extremely cool and normal Are droids people?
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PostNouveau posted:Are droids people? Depends. What color are they painted with?
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I have information that will lead to Chancellor's Palpatine arrest.
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PostNouveau posted:Are droids people? some of them. others are puppets or CG renders. how did you get from there to calling mace windu racial slurs
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RBA Starblade posted:People are trying very hard to own each other and not doing a great job of it Star Wars: Droid got owned but is not a slave.
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This recent meltdown has rather highlighted the importance of social and economic context. Cnut’s rhetorical tactic is to use a sort of purposeful selective ignorance to decontextualize everything and create a new causality that he calls ‘symbolism’. What is a machine? We just don’t know - we’ve given ourselves amnesia. But we’re also watching Star Wars, so let’s define machines as ‘Darth Vader’. The thing they refer to as a ‘landspeeder’, for example, is clearly a type of Darth Vader. It must be powered by rage. No wonder Obiwan wants to get rid of it. Luke is consumed by the Darthspeeder - trapped in the front compartment behind a wall of glass, just like Darth Vader is trapped behind his googles. This glass barrier keeps Luke forever separated from the natural clouds of sand that would naturally blow into his eyeballs. He hates sand just like Darth Vader does - so the Darthspeeder is clearly overtaking Luke’s brain functions, controlling him in unnaturally. And what is C3PO if not a Darthspeeder that has fully devoured its captive? There’s no Luke left behind those glassy sand-lenses. He’s an empty shell.
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CelticPredator posted:Ya’ll need to get stung by bees I'm deathly allergic to bee stings so i'm gonna pass on this.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:This recent meltdown has rather highlighted the importance of social and economic context. Cnut’s rhetorical tactic is to use a sort of purposeful selective ignorance to decontextualize everything and create a new causality that he calls ‘symbolism’. are you having a stroke
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Cease to Hope posted:some of them. others are puppets or CG renders. Uh so it's something like "It's prejudiced to say they aren't people" "No it's not because they're fictional" "Well Mace Windu is fictional so if you really believed that, you'd be fine with calling him the n-word" Everyone involved is a moron
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