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No Mods No Masters posted:Rey's even more of a cargo cult jedi than luke and that's saying a lot The real punchline here is that the PT were taking kids from their families for life to impart teachings that maybe take a month tops to convey.
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Slutitution posted:Too bad Kathleen Kennedy thinks giving her Mary Sue character a love interest would be sexist though. I do like the idea of aliens from another galaxy invading. Give them their own culture, etc. and eventually have the Sith and the Jedi reluctantly join forces to defeat them or something. Why aliens from another galaxy? Our galaxy is so freaking huge there could be an entire empire that they know nothing about. Wasn't that part of the plot of the video game? An actual sith empire from the farthest reaches of the galaxy just showing up to gently caress everyone's poo poo up?
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spacetoaster posted:Why aliens from another galaxy? Our galaxy is so freaking huge there could be an entire empire that they know nothing about. It emphasises that it's a new, unknown thing that is outside of the context of previous stories.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It emphasises that it's a new, unknown thing that is outside of the context of previous stories. It also justifies facism.
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Jan 20, 2019 11:00
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did you know that if you take the letters from "sith" and rearrange them it spells something else? its "tshi"
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Jan 21, 2019 18:00
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What a waste of perfectly good duckmeat.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:10
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Barudak posted:It also justifies facism. This hot take is even worse than your spelling.
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Jan 22, 2019 01:59
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Slutitution posted:This hot take is even worse than your spelling. I mean it wasnt the intention of the plot point but it very easily slid into and depending on the writer apparently just became the following straight up: Sheev knew a threat was coming from beyond the galaxy so he had no choice but to rule the entire galaxy and build a war machine to fight this incoming enemy. Not only does this wash sheev's ambitions but it also reinforces a narrative that somehow fascism is an effective force for fighting anything but your own people.
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Slutitution posted:This hot take is even worse than your spelling. Sith happens.
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Barudak posted:I mean it wasnt the intention of the plot point but it very easily slid into and depending on the writer apparently just became the following straight up: Sheev knew a threat was coming from beyond the galaxy so he had no choice but to rule the entire galaxy and build a war machine to fight this incoming enemy. Not only does this wash sheev's ambitions but it also reinforces a narrative that somehow fascism is an effective force for fighting anything but your own people. I guess this bizarre take is unsurprising considering some on this forum believe Pacific Rim is a fascist propaganda film because humanity united to defeat monsters the size of skycrapers from another dimension.
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What if the Slavic hordes really were bent on the destruction of the German Volk? Makes u think
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Slutitution posted:I guess this bizarre take is unsurprising considering some on this forum believe Pacific Rim is a fascist propaganda film because humanity united to defeat monsters the size of skycrapers from another dimension. Fascism is an ideology, it's not just actions
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Slutitution posted:I guess this bizarre take is unsurprising considering some on this forum believe Pacific Rim is a fascist propaganda film because humanity united to defeat monsters the size of skycrapers from another dimension. I did a lot of pushback on that at the time... ... but the secret of that was that I just wanted to see if I had learned enough to hold my own with SMG and wasn't going to do the work to show that our takes were 100% compatible for him. Still kind of puzzled by GDT of all people directing a film with a fascist narrative though, since he absolutely knew what it was.
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Barudak posted:I mean it wasnt the intention of the plot point but it very easily slid into and depending on the writer apparently just became the following straight up: Sheev knew a threat was coming from beyond the galaxy so he had no choice but to rule the entire galaxy and build a war machine to fight this incoming enemy. Not only does this wash sheev's ambitions but it also reinforces a narrative that somehow fascism is an effective force for fighting anything but your own people. That justification was argued in-universe, and even there was shot down: Han Solo in some NJO novel posted:"That's not what the Empire would have done, Commander. What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
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EU more like peeyuu!
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Waffles Inc. posted:Fascism is an ideology, it's not just actions Yes and if you've ever read Umberto Eco you'd know how absurd it is applying a toothlessly reductionist devil's advocate form of it to a robots vs. kaiju movie compared to what real fascism actually is.
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McSpanky posted:Yes and if you've ever read Umberto Eco you'd know how absurd it is applying a toothlessly reductionist devil's advocate form of it to a robots vs. kaiju movie compared to what real fascism actually is. What did Eco say about killing tall people from foreign places?
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Hodgepodge posted:Still kind of puzzled by GDT of all people directing a film with a fascist narrative though, since he absolutely knew what it was. It's really bizarre that he ended up making a movie that's not on the side of the monsters, and I can only chalk it up to him trying to stare down a bunch of focus groups or cagey producers and blinking.
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Ferrinus posted:It's really bizarre that he ended up making a movie that's not on the side of the monsters, and I can only chalk it up to him trying to stare down a bunch of focus groups or cagey producers and blinking. I don't remember the details, but the guy who designed the jaegers and kaiju and did a lot of the worldbuilding struck me as having something to do with it. Which is probably how things like "the kaiju poison the Earth with their toxic blood," and definately where how we ended up with kaiju names that are synoyms for "slut."
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ecureuilmatrix posted:That justification was argued in-universe, and even there was shot down: man it's really hard to picture this dialog coming out of harrison ford's solo
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Jan 23, 2019 20:55
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Harrison ford would veto having to remember that many words
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Brother Entropy posted:man it's really hard to picture this dialog coming out of harrison ford's solo I can picture it as an Indiana Jones rant.
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No Mods No Masters posted:Harrison ford would veto having to remember that many words he'd be right to, it's smarmy but way too verbose to sound like han
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The thing about Fascism is it's inherently about being very insular in an ethnic/cultural sense. Stories like Pacific Rim while they may be Militaristic are not Fascist because "The coming together of multiple disparate peoples through what's in common among all humanity." Is about as far from Fascism as you can get. Fascism at it's core believes that humanity inherently cannot work together outside of the ethnic/religious/etc. lines the particular flavor of Fascism subscribes too.
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It’s hard to define fascism in a productive way because it was such a relatively brief phenomenon in a limited number of countries. Fortunately the next few decades should remedy this problem.
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porfiria posted:It’s hard to define fascism in a productive way because it was such a relatively brief phenomenon in a limited number of countries. Fortunately the next few decades should remedy this problem. Did you find evidence of a real inter-dimensional portal forming underneath the Pacific Ocean indicating a threat or something?
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Slutitution posted:Did you find evidence of a real inter-dimensional portal forming underneath the Pacific Ocean indicating a threat or something? Yeah it’s called oceanic heat content.
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porfiria posted:Yeah it’s called oceanic heat content. How does oceanic heat content cause humans to embrace fascism again?
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galagazombie posted:The thing about Fascism is it's inherently about being very insular in an ethnic/cultural sense. Stories like Pacific Rim while they may be Militaristic are not Fascist because "The coming together of multiple disparate peoples through what's in common among all humanity." Is about as far from Fascism as you can get. Fascism at it's core believes that humanity inherently cannot work together outside of the ethnic/religious/etc. lines the particular flavor of Fascism subscribes too. It's a story about how weak, pathetic, vile creatures lurking at the core of the world send monsters they control which poison whatever they touch with their very blood to destroy us. Building a gigantic wall to keep them out is not enough- we must come together as a society to use the solution which politicians have betrayed us by forgoing: creating our own iron monsters to solve the problem with pure, joyous heroic violence. Any attempt to communicate with the vile beasts, even to learn how to fight them, is inherently a betrayal which corrodes the fighting ability of our heroic warriors. Through the will to exterminate this menace, we come together as one to become complete as individuals, leaders, and ultimately as a society.
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galagazombie posted:The thing about Fascism is it's inherently about being very insular in an ethnic/cultural sense. Stories like Pacific Rim while they may be Militaristic are not Fascist because "The coming together of multiple disparate peoples through what's in common among all humanity." Is about as far from Fascism as you can get. Fascism at it's core believes that humanity inherently cannot work together outside of the ethnic/religious/etc. lines the particular flavor of Fascism subscribes too. fascism is about the organic unity of the nation state, it's not impossible to imagine an entire planet as that nation state(like in starship troopers for example). there are fascists out there right now advocating pan european unity between disparate cultures.
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You know, I haven't seen Pacific Rim in years, and I completely forgot about the subplot in the film about building a loving wall to keep the "monsters" out (subtle, right?). I think SMG may have been on to something here. Apologies.
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My favorite part of Pacific Rim is when the Baby Kaiju eats Ron Perlman. Baby Kaiju is the best and clearly he just wanted to hug Charlie Day.
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Folks theres lots of rumors that both jakku AND tatooine will be in ep9. and the title is Star Wars Episode 9: Revenge of the Jimjov
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Slutitution posted:You know, I haven't seen Pacific Rim in years, and I completely forgot about the subplot in the film about building a loving wall to keep the "monsters" out (subtle, right?). I think SMG may have been on to something here. Apologies. It's kind of funny, because looking back, it might almost be tempting to think it was ahead of its time for depicting the wall as a pointless distraction. And then you think about it and it's like "oh yeah, the film's preferred solution is forming paramilitary units to beat the enemy to death instead." PR was kind of a swing and a miss in a lot of ways. I.m still kind of glad it was made, though, because how many high-budget kaiju movies do we get, right?
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Hodgepodge posted:. And then you think about it and it's like "oh yeah, the film's preferred solution is forming paramilitary units to beat the enemy to death instead." And what should they have done
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CelticPredator posted:And what should they have done Written a better script.
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CelticPredator posted:And what should they have done Freed the slaves on both sides of the rift.
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Hodgepodge posted:Written a better script. How do you write a Kaiju monster fight movie without monster fight smack downs
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A human heart posted:fascism is about the organic unity of the nation state, it's not impossible to imagine an entire planet as that nation state(like in starship troopers for example). there are fascists out there right now advocating pan european unity between disparate cultures. Cinema Discusso: The text and context of the film both contradict my reading of it, but I think you'll find that if you pretend the opposite is true, then my case becomes much stronger.
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Bonaventure posted:Cinema Discusso: The text and context of the film both contradict my reading of it, but I think you'll find that if you pretend the opposite is true, then my case becomes much stronger. So you are claiming fascism ceases to be fascism - and in fact becomes good - if it grows to become international/global. Explain how that works.
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