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Squalid posted:Maduro really didn't leave a lot of alternative avenues for his Presidency to end. Agreed. But since Maduro is only going to be removed by extra-legal means, I don't see the point in hand-wringing over the US mouthing words of encouragement to whoever tries to step up.
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Majorian posted:No one here is keeping you from going out and protesting. What we're saying is that the U.S. shouldn't intervene, and that we shouldn't assume that Maduro will be replaced by someone better. tbf best president in Venezuelan history isn't the world's highest bar 
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lol yes I am sure that the PSUV, which has literally been calling opposition figures CIA puppets for years, would have refrained from doing so had Trump just kept his mouth shut. drat you Donald!
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Jan 23, 2019 23:55
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Wow a lot of people itt want to turn Venezuela into Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria to get back their lovely corner store their family lost for price-gouging water.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Techbros: We just make the platform! We are neutral in all aspects of speech! What argument are you even trying to make, racist dude? Have you become so online you think Facebook is the real world? uninterrupted posted:Wow a lot of people itt want to turn Venezuela into Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria to get back their lovely corner store their family lost for price-gouging water. Wow, you sure want people to die in defense of the incumbent right wing military dictatorship.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Is Rick Scott posting ITT? Are you him?!? poo poo, they're onto us
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fishmech posted:Wow, you sure want people to die in defense of the incumbent right wing military dictatorship. Cool, now tell us how there’s no way Iraq can do worse than Saddam.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:02
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uninterrupted posted:Wow a lot of people itt want to turn Venezuela into Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria to get back their lovely corner store their family lost for price-gouging water. don't be a shitbag
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Jan 24, 2019 00:03
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uninterrupted posted:Cool, now tell us how there’s no way Iraq can do worse than Saddam. saddam mostly had his poo poo together unless you were the wrong person, most venezuelans can't even get toilet paper or food. i'm not saying poo poo can't get worse than maduro (i'm hoping it doesn't, obviously), it likely will, but just lol at comparing the two.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:05
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the fifteenth or sixteenth worst thing to happen to Venezuela recently was the election of Bolsonaro because it dealt a serious blow to the ability of the region to pressure Maduro and the PSUV without A) much US involvement and B) as much awfulness
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AstraSage posted:They did nationalize most of our food industry. Well I mean specifically expropriating businesses like the did with that one cereal plant that briefly opened to use up the last bits of ingredients they had left. I keep seeing the point brought up that the food shortage was solely the cause of the largest food producers in the country just up and leaving because capitalism.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:08
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"non democratic" lol
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Freedonkeys posted:Support of a country in opposition to US imperialism is absolutely necessary. The alternative is to sit silently as a series of sanctions are passed which weaken a country until the point in which a coup or military intervention can be staged which is what has happened to Venezuela over the past few years. This is a cycle that repeats itself and well meaning American liberals go along with it every time. Every. Single. loving. Time. Not everyone in this thread is a well-meaning liberal though. Some people know exactly what they're doing and are taking the libs along for a ride.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:09
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As opposed to the self proclaimed, military backed non democratic "president in charge" Nicolas Maduro.
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wanting thousands to starve to own the libs
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Bob le Moche posted:Every. Single. loving. Time. plenty of disingenuous posting ITT yeah, like referring to Venezuela as a right wing military dictatorship. at least it triggers the tankies (everyone to the left of me).
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themrguy posted:wanting thousands to starve to own the libs Anyone who wanted venezuelans to stop starving had plenty of time to be opposed to the US sanctions that were literally starving venezuelans
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Freedonkeys posted:Support of a country in opposition to US imperialism is absolutely necessary. The alternative is to sit silently as a series of sanctions are passed which weaken a country until the point in which a coup or military intervention can be staged which is what has happened to Venezuela over the past few years. This is a cycle that repeats itself and well meaning American liberals go along with it every time. guess I need to dig up my effortpost about the sanctions to date pain in the rear end on the phone, though you can find it if you hit the question mark under my name though Which of the current sanctions do you object to, and why? A knee-jerk reaction to anything the US does is understandable but this batch was inexplicably sensible, highly targeted, and has contributed basically gently caress all to the degradation of conditions in Venezuela. Bob, you're welcome to engage that question too  heck, the "short term loans only" one might even be worse than I'm giving it credit for
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Jan 24, 2019 00:13
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420 Gank Mid posted:Anyone who wanted venezuelans to stop starving had plenty of time to be opposed to the US sanctions that were literally starving venezuelans no they were not
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420 Gank Mid posted:Anyone who wanted venezuelans to stop starving had plenty of time to be opposed to the US sanctions that were literally starving venezuelans Hey, what specific sanctions are you referring to? Can you point them out on the State Department website, and explain why they're the cause of starvation in Venezuela?
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Jan 24, 2019 00:14
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twitter still has both guaido and maduro as verified, a savvy and politically deft move to be sure
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Bob le Moche posted:Every. Single. loving. Time. The reality that you live in must be a truly fascinating place. I just don't understand the "why" of your position, although I strongly suspect it is due to lacking a strong sense of personal identity and therefore globing onto whatever fool thing gets you the most reactions from people. Hell it may well have begun as an "ironic" stance that slowly lost its irony. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days. Better than neo-fascism though I suppose .
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Feinne posted:As opposed to the self proclaimed, military backed non democratic "president in charge" Nicolas Maduro. Maduro was elected president and guaido was not.
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I loving wish I had one tenth the completely unearned self confidence of y’all who come into a thread about a country and lecture the people who actually live there about How Things Should Be, Don’t Be Decieved By Propaganda.
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Norton the First posted:Hey, what specific sanctions are you referring to? Can you point them out on the State Department website, and explain why they're the cause of starvation in Venezuela? I just checked and there are no new recent sanctions. The new proposed one is more troubling than the ones that currently exist and I'm provisionally against it at least until I see the language.
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uninterrupted posted:Maduro was elected president and guaido was not. Yeah but us USAmericans dont like him so how can he be democratic?
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themrguy posted:I loving wish I had one tenth the completely unearned self confidence of y’all who come into a thread about a country and lecture the people who actually live there about How Things Should Be, Don’t Be Decieved By Propaganda. They don't actually live there, they live in western countries.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Yeah but us USAmericans dont like him so how can he be democratic? No, but seriously, what are the US sanctions that are starving Venezuelans?
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The United States is practically a sham democracy. Why does anyone expect American involvement would be beneficial for Democracy there?
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:They don't actually live there, they live in western countries. We've actually seen the loving country, unlike you. Even worse, I'm actually affected directly by this crisis, unlike you. Norton the First posted:No, but seriously, what are the US sanctions that are starving Venezuelans? None, and Maduro has refused all offers for humanitarian aid.
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uninterrupted posted:Maduro was elected president and guaido was not. I mean if Maduro's last election was so fair and legitimate and he is the people's champion he should welcome the end to this controversy by working with Guaido to run a new election, one where he will surely still win by implausible margins because he is just that beloved.
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Giggy posted:The United States is practically a sham democracy. Why does anyone expect American involvement would be beneficial for Democracy there? nobody does, op
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uninterrupted posted:Cool, now tell us how there’s no way Iraq can do worse than Saddam. Are you posting from an alternate universe where Iran bulldozed Iraq in the 80s, cuz that's about the only way this comparison would be relevant. THS posted:plenty of disingenuous posting ITT yeah, like referring to Venezuela as a right wing military dictatorship. at least it triggers the tankies (everyone to the left of me). Tell me what you think is leftist about collapsing your own social welfare guarentees and sabotaging your own infrastructure to squirrel away cash to offshore accounts. 420 Gank Mid posted:Anyone who wanted venezuelans to stop starving had plenty of time to be opposed to the US sanctions that were literally starving venezuelans Why are you demanding opposition to sanctions that don't exist? CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:They don't actually live there, they live in western countries. Venezuela is a western country, as is the rest of South America.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I too am shocked that the senators from a state full of old Cubans are making pissy tweets about a nominally socialist Caribbean government. This can only be a coup. It is impossible they are engaging in meaningless pandering to their donor base. fishmech posted:Indeed, your standard pattern is to yell about fascism, and then violently support fascism, because you are a silly neoliberal worshipper of capitalism. DoctorStrangelove posted:Bringing up Allende is funny to me because Chile's economy under Allende broke in an almost identical way to how Venezuela's is right now. fishmech posted:The country is already run by a dime store Pinochet. AstraSage posted:They did nationalize most of our food industry. fishmech posted:They sit around defending leaders carrying out Ronald Reagan's dream in terms of economics and social issues in other parts of the world, so of course they also gotta defend people carrying out Ronald Reagan's dream for South American juntas. DoctorStrangelove posted:Venezuela run by a right-wing oligarchy would probably be similar to Russia. It would suck, but it wouldn't be anywhere close to as bad as it is now. fishmech posted:You actively support right wing capitalist dictators, sir. fishmech posted:Under Maduro's hand all of the advances Hugo Chavez achieved in combating poverty have been shredded, and on top of that the major economic sectors have been gutted in the name of lining the pockets of high regime officials. fnox posted:That second part of your post just shows that you have zero, and I mean zero understanding of the situation, as Maduro is absolutely part of Chavez legacy to the point of running originally as “Chavez’ son” but anyway. You folks all come off as extremely confused. Like this poo poo is utterly clownish and none of it makes any sense at all. I don't know how it's possible to be this oblivious about literally everything. You're just throwing random poo poo at the wall hoping to see what sticks, and the only thing that's consistent throughout this thread is unconditional support for US foreign policy in Venezuela, and uniting against anyone who advances any anti-imperialist argument.
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Truga posted:saddam mostly had his poo poo together unless you were the wrong person, most venezuelans can't even get toilet paper or food. Saddam killed more than a million people and used chemical weapons against his own people. He’s objectively worse than Maduro. The blinding speed that American imperialists try to whitewash dictators to justify new intervention is breathtaking.
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I've said again and again the problem with your "anti-imperialist argument" is that it involves the complete denial that there is a problem with Maduro running the country, that there is a crisis at all that must be solved. You don't have a loving solution for us, why do we need to listen to you?
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fishmech posted:Are you posting from an alternate universe where Iran bulldozed Iraq in the 80s, cuz that's about the only way this comparison would be relevant. Why do you even post on this forum? You act like you understand every argument from every side but you obviously don’t feel anything. You’re like some hosed up broken robot programmed for a non-existent function. Your contrarianism and pedantic bullshit should get old eventually, even to yourself - but here you still are, running with the same act for years and years and years.
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