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Furia posted:That thing that happened, yes Yeah, absolutely nothing provocative about recognizing an unelected leader
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:caps lock broken is trolling at this point, right? If he's not a true believer he's less funny than Typo, I think he's what he presents himself as: a Chinese American dude who seriously idolizes the PRC.
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Jan 25, 2019 00:32
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Whether or not an election is legitimate comes entirely down to which side you're on. China has fair, and regularly held elections with no voter suppression, and yet where is the praise for the respect of the democratic process from the west? So what are your thoughts on Maduro's seizure of power from the Venezuelan legislature? How does one explain that in your mind?
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Jan 25, 2019 00:33
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Socks4Hands posted:huh my first post in this thread or the c-spam one and this is ground zero? do you need me to take a picture with a paper bag? You just told a Venezuelan to get informed about his own country by reading a thread on an internet forum. Except pushback from such a thing.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You just told a Venezuelan to get informed about his own country by reading a thread on an internet forum. Except pushback from such a thing. This should be the thread title.
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https://twitter.com/OfficialSPGB/status/1088566066593390592 Its good that one socialist group is anti-maduro.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Yeah, absolutely nothing provocative about recognizing an unelected leader so I'm really not sure where this "unelected" talking point is coming from guaido is an elected member of the national assembly and was elected to be its president by the body
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:caps lock broken is trolling at this point, right? Tbf the ideological range between PRC and US candidates who have an outside shot of getting elected are fairly similar. Not sure why posters here are disagreeing beyond “HOOAH USA NUMBER ONE!🇺🇸🏈🎉” One could argue the Chinese model is more coordinated than the US political system, but given that the US government runs out of money and shuts down on a regular basis, I doubt anyone in China sees that as a downside.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Apparently a lot of posters have started their own Venezuela thread in CSPAM where they can circle jerk about their support for the PSUV. It's better, you see, because there are no pesky Venezuelans there.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:caps lock broken is trolling at this point, right? How is it not just a matter of interpretation? Virtually everything people whine about when it comes to venezulean/ chinese elections happens in single party city-states like Chicago and NYC, including international monitors being refused or turned away.
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Pharohman777 posted:https://twitter.com/OfficialSPGB/status/1088566066593390592 Why is this so hard for people to accept?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You just told a Venezuelan to get informed about his own country by reading a thread on an internet forum. Except pushback from such a thing. If you re-read my post you'll see that I said I was happy to see him here, on this internet forum (as opposed to, say, other places on the internet) and that I'd enjoy having a productive discussion. At no point did I tell him to come get informed about his own country (his former country, I should say).
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Jan 25, 2019 00:41
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:How is it not just a matter of interpretation? Virtually everything people whine about when it comes to venezulean/ chinese elections happens in single party city-states like Chicago and NYC, including international monitors being refused or turned away. Jesus I wish we really had independent city states in the US.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why is this so hard for people to accept? The true face of socialism is a joke party in the UK that got less than 200 votes in 2017: 
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:How is it not just a matter of interpretation? Virtually everything people whine about when it comes to venezulean/ chinese elections happens in single party city-states like Chicago and NYC, including international monitors being refused or turned away. Well for one, you don't need the approval of say the US government to run for office. Americans would be horrified if the government started approving candidates based on ideology and such.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:How is it not just a matter of interpretation? Virtually everything people whine about when it comes to venezulean/ chinese elections happens in single party city-states like Chicago and NYC, including international monitors being refused or turned away. The Democratic Parties of NYC and Chicago do not have the ability to ban certain candidate from the ballot, or jail them. The CCP and PSUV do have, and frequently employ those powers. In NYC and Chicago, only one party has a realistic chance because a majority of the people support that party.That is the relevant difference, and isn't a matter of interpretation.
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Pharohman777 posted:Well for one, you don't need the approval of say the US government to run for office. Americans would be horrified if the government started approving candidates based on ideology and such. how about setting a basic minimum level of moral character and otherwise only banning candidates that are an existential threat to the nation? works pretty well for Iran, they're still a successful revolutionary socialist state
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arguing that the US should leave Venezuela alone because the US is just as bad as Venezuela AND that Maduro enjoys wide popular support, was democratically elected, and that anyone saying otherwise is either works for the CIA or is rich sure is something
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Socks4Hands posted:If you re-read my post you'll see that I said I was happy to see him here, on this internet forum (as opposed to, say, other places on the internet) and that I'd enjoy having a productive discussion. At no point did I tell him to come get informed about his own country (his former country, I should say). If you actually wanted a productive discussion there'd be no reason to invite them to the C-SPAM thread. Don't be such a jackass.
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Gnumonic posted:The Democratic Parties of NYC and Chicago do not have the ability to ban certain candidate from the ballot, or jail them. The CCP and PSUV do have, and frequently employ those powers. In NYC and Chicago, only one party has a realistic chance because a majority of the people support that party.That is the relevant difference, and isn't a matter of interpretation. Yeah, the situation in the USSR and china where every candidate must be government approved is despised by the american populace. The idea that one party gets to control and approve every candidate is a horrifying idea to Americans.
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Pharohman777 posted:https://twitter.com/OfficialSPGB/status/1088566066593390592 Frankly all of them should be. If you say socialism will make a country end up like Venezuela, they will very correctly point out that Maduro is a thief, a bastard and no true socialist. But the minute they sense any attempt to remove this fat kleptocrat son of a whore, suddenly it’s time to circle the wagons against yanqui imperialism. I do not understand it.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:How is it not just a matter of interpretation? Virtually everything people whine about when it comes to venezulean/ chinese elections happens in single party city-states like Chicago and NYC, including international monitors being refused or turned away. The mayor of NYC has been a Republican or an "Independent" for 20 of the past 30 years. Similar variation in China's leadership would be a hell of a thing.
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Gnumonic posted:The Democratic Parties of NYC and Chicago do not have the ability to ban certain candidate from the ballot, or jail them. The CCP and PSUV do have, and frequently employ those powers. In NYC and Chicago, only one party has a realistic chance because a majority of the people support that party.That is the relevant difference, and isn't a matter of interpretation. Illinois politics can be tough. Just getting on the ballot this election cycle has proved to be difficult for many potential candidates. One political underdog is now trying take on House Speaker Mike Madigan and he says he wants people to know just how rigged the system is. quote:“I actually went door to door knocking, dragging a public notary with me through rain and snow and icy sidewalks, to get people to swear that they signed my petitions. Yes, they are real people. They are absolutely real.” fishmech posted:The mayor of NYC has been a Republican or an "Independent" for 20 of the past 30 years. Similar variation in China's leadership would be a hell of a thing. Almost like there are factions in the Democrat party, just like there are factions in the PSUV and CCP?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:If he's not a true believer he's less funny than Typo, I think he's what he presents himself as: a Chinese American dude who seriously idolizes the PRC. I’m pretty sure he does genuinely idolize the PRC, but I don’t think he’s actually arguing in good faith.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:
Say so how about you telling us why it was cool for Maduro to strip the elected legislature of its powers and then give it to a body full of people that he himself appointed? This being the Venezuela thread.
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Jan 25, 2019 00:54
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Pharohman777 posted:Yeah, the situation in the USSR and china where every candidate must be government approved is despised by the american populace. The idea that one party gets to control and approve every candidate is a horrifying idea to Americans. The government literally bans communists from running for offie.
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Caps lock, I'm not going to read your reply but I hope you know your making china look like garbage.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Almost like there are factions in the Democrat party, just like there are factions in the PSUV and CCP? I can assure you that Rudy Giuliani was not "a faction of the Democrat party". Nor was Michael Bloomberg, who served the first 6 years of his term as Republican before declaring himself an "independent". No wonder you have trouble handling Venezuelan politics when you think da Rudester was a Democrat. This is also a reminder that Venezuela used to allow multiparty elections, but Maduro specifically decided to try to invalidate when the other parties won. Hence his whole complete flouting of the Bolivarian constitution of 1999 with the extra mass arrests and fake legislature bullshit. fishmech fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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Jan 25, 2019 00:56
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Like I cant imagine a better way to make people hate china while speaking in "support of it".
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:caps lock broken is trolling at this point, right? He is almost certainly a Pro-PRC Laowai rereg.
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Honestly a real good way to encourage the Venezuelan people to not honor any agreement marudo made while selling everything to china to eat fancy steaks.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why is this so hard for people to accept? It's similar to Luke Skywalker's denial when Darth Vader told him that he was his father. Leftists who have believed all their lives that socialism/communism was the answer to the problems of capitalism go into denial when confronted with the reality that the people who they thought would usher in a socialist utopia turn out to just be capitalists in disguise.
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Berke Negri posted:maduro's still got a blue checkmark on twitter so i guess things are not truly official yet Oh god, now I'm visualizing a version of Twitter/Hatreon/Gab for deposed dictators
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AGGGGH BEES posted:He is almost certainly a Pro-PRC Laowai rereg. I thought Pro-PRC Laowai was a white guy who lived in China, while CAPS LOCK BROKEN is a Chinese-Canadian or American? I don't think any foreigner in China, even one who genuinely supported the CCP, could be as chauvinistic as CLB. Really though CLB, you make a lot of bad arguments that could never make sense to anyone who's not Chinese.
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I was in China last year and if Venezuela 2019 operated anything like China 2019 I wouldn't be complaining. Venezuela is a chaotic country under the control of kleptocrats that figured out they can fool low information leftists into supporting them while they loot the country and starve their citizens. At least the PRC cares about China. China doesn't have a contracting economy or a 10,000,000%(!) inflation rate. However, instead of advocating for Chinese style government, the PRC has participated in looting Venezuelan wealth. China could have done the right thing in Venezuela but they instead chose this.
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Discendo Vox posted:Oh god, now I'm visualizing a version of Twitter/Hatreon/Gab for deposed dictators  some fates are worse than death
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Pharohman777 posted:https://twitter.com/OfficialSPGB/status/1088566066593390592 There are several in fact, and if you though the discussion in this thread was bad ohh boy you don't want to see the fights going on between the soc dems,the communists and the socialists.
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