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It has been rather depressing reading all the post in these forums supporting Maduro and his regime, just for the sake of spite than any legitimate concerns.
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I don't know who could be dumb enough to support Maduro, but I haven't seen anyone in this thread doing so. It's a hosed up situation, with possible developments so insanely bad it's hard to see which one is worse which is par for the course for Latin America. Please don't take this as a "both sides are bad" argument, just that it's already a very delicate situation where things are getting weird and unpredictable and the US is acting in a very brazen way with clear second intentions, which is the last thing that could help things get better. This could end up super bad.
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As far as I understand, with my admittedly limited knowledge, Maduro is a disaster (even taking sanctions into account), but it's still hilarious that the opposition just went no im president now And by hilarious I mean poo poo is gonna get weird and nasty
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nerdz posted:I don't know who could be dumb enough to support Maduro, but I haven't seen anyone in this thread doing so. It's a hosed up situation, with possible developments so insanely bad it's hard to see which one is worse which is par for the course for Latin America. Please don't take this as a "both sides are bad" argument, just that it's already a very delicate situation where things are getting weird and unpredictable and the US is acting in a very brazen way with clear second intentions, which is the last thing that could help things get better. This could end up super bad. Labelling the millions of Venezuelans opposed to Maduro and protesting against his regime US-supported reactionaries is buying into his propaganda and therefore supporting him. Dias posted:As far as I understand, with my admittedly limited knowledge, Maduro is a disaster (even taking sanctions into account), but it's still hilarious that the opposition just went no im president now Read the Venezuela thread. It's not a loving joke. What's happened is that the opposition had previously protested the 2018 presidential elections as illegitimate because no serious candidate (most of those were arrested) was allowed to run against Maduro, who looked like he might have lost. Maduro also has attempted to set up a rival national assembly, clearly going against the constitution and laws of the country, in order to circumvent the assembly where the opposition holds a majority after the 2015 which largely were free and fair, as far as Venezuela goes. So what's happened is that the assembly president declared that upon the new presidential term starting on January 10th that Venezuela has no legitimate president in Maduro and he was now taking over as interrim president (which the constitution provides for) in order to organize and hold elections. That's what the opposition has done. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jan 24, 2019 |
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nerdz posted:I don't know who could be dumb enough to support Maduro, but I haven't seen anyone in this thread doing so. It's a hosed up situation, with possible developments so insanely bad it's hard to see which one is worse which is par for the course for Latin America. Please don't take this as a "both sides are bad" argument, just that it's already a very delicate situation where things are getting weird and unpredictable and the US is acting in a very brazen way with clear second intentions, which is the last thing that could help things get better. This could end up super bad. The Venezuela thread is filled with Americans telling Venezuela goons, who are living in poverty, that they are a bunch of rich right wingers who are just mad that Maduro closed their mom and pop shops for overcharging people buying milk.
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Dias posted:As far as I understand, with my admittedly limited knowledge, Maduro is a disaster (even taking sanctions into account), but it's still hilarious that the opposition just went no im president now As I alluded to, it's the least crazy and horrible remedy to the situation short of Maduro's heart growing three sizes and/or the PSUV somehow revolting against its shithead leadership and restoring true socialist utopia. And given that it would require something resembling a constitutionally justified-ish military coup, it's still pretty crazy and horrible!
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Jan 24, 2019 22:33
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what happened in the Venezuela thread? there's like 800 new posts in a few days, its never been this active, even considering the recent developments
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while everyone is waiting to see if Trump will start a war while most the US government is not being paid some people are passing the time arguing about *squints at highlight reel* is Chicago more corrupt than china
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:what happened in the Venezuela thread? there's like 800 new posts in a few days, its never been this active, even considering the recent developments A bunch of Americans who dont understand the situation at all are one by one going "why are you Venezuelans demanding a US intervention to remove from power this beloved socialist" and then once yelled at for not understanding the first goddamn thing about the situation and that literally noone wants the US to invade going "well enjoy getting invaded by the US" and writing horror fanfic about the atrocities the US will commit. Its happened like 6+ times in the thread and is loving exhausting. Also Caps Lock Broken sauntered in and scored a self goal so bad and then immediately stopped posting that its possible the Chinese goverment hired the same person who murdered Andres Escobar to deal with him
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:what happened in the Venezuela thread? there's like 800 new posts in a few days, its never been this active, even considering the recent developments The CSPAM thread is much worse, there the tankies are dominant.
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Cicero posted:Tankies happened. People, including several Venezuelans, are explaining why Maduro is an incompetent, corrupt tyrant but, well, they're tankies. Everyone who is opposed to US intervention must be a tankie. Cicero posted:They don't give a poo poo about people suffering as long as they get to support whoever's opposed to the US. Imagine being a taxpaying American and actually thinking this. Astroturfing a famine in Yemen and blowing up middle eastern countries wholesale doesn't result in untold amounts of suffering, but opposing US foreign policy apparently makes you blind to it.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Everyone who is opposed to US intervention must be a tankie. No, no, that's not what's happening. The reason why you get poo poo is because you think your life and experiences in Chicago are somehow comparable with what life is like right now for a caraqueño.
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Jan 25, 2019 15:04
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Maduro sucks and US military intervention in South America is terrible and has always been terrible. Only morons cannot hold both of these thoughts in their head at the same time.
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it's a hosed up situation without the possibility of any positive outcome. we can only hope things don't get too bad.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Everyone who is opposed to US intervention must be a tankie. I can't wait to hear your opinion on Syria
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Barudak posted:A bunch of Americans who dont understand the situation at all are one by one going "why are you Venezuelans demanding a US intervention to remove from power this beloved socialist" and then once yelled at for not understanding the first goddamn thing about the situation and that literally noone wants the US to invade going "well enjoy getting invaded by the US" and writing horror fanfic about the atrocities the US will commit. Its happened like 6+ times in the thread and is loving exhausting. To elaborate just how batshit these people are. The current self described American "Socialist" in the thread is basing his argument about how it was wrong that the United States stopped the South from rightfully seceding during the American Civil War.
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Another mining barrage (Brumadinho) has collapsed in Brazil, flooding a village with mining runoff mud and potentially fouling a river that supplies 48 communities with drinking water. A similar incident happened a few years ago in Marianas, which was then the biggest environmental fuckup in history. The justice system basically ruled that it was no one's fault and kept the ball rolling. https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-47002609 Sephyr fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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Jan 25, 2019 18:58
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well gently caress https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1088912260398006272?s=19
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nerdz posted:well gently caress Maybe Putin is instructing Trump to go against Maduro, which in turn will strengthen Maduro since everyone hates Trump ... or something like that
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Maybe Trump and people who associate with him are massive morons and/or assholes.
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Mozi posted:Maybe Trump and people who associate with him are massive morons and/or assholes. Yep.
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Mozi posted:Maybe Trump and people who associate with him are massive morons and/or assholes. A morass if you will.
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Whos ready for Plan Condor 2: Electric Torturoo
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fnox posted:because you think your life and experiences in Chicago are somehow comparable with what life is like right now for a caraqueño. Hahaha Im dying ahahaha
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Caracas had a murder rate of 109 homicides/100,000 people in 2017. Chicago's rate per 100,000 people was 17.52.
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the cool american who knows what it's like to live in a devastated country thrown into almost eternal unrest caused mostly by american influence: i feel ya bro... i feel ya.... in chicago we also have to buy pepsi sometime...
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So, speaking of Latin Americans having nice things... Line 3 of the Santiago Metro opened earlier this week, and its awesome. It runs from the central east of the Santiago region (La Reina), through downtown, and then northwest to the edge of Quilicura. It uses the same technologies as Line 6, which opened in late 2017. It has pilotless cars, enclosed platforms, LCD displays in the cars...its awesome. It also feels more significant than Line 6, because its a lot longer, and it also opens up a lot more of the city, especially traditionally disadvantaged areas (Independencia, Conchali, Quilicura), whereas Line 6 mostly just paralleled areas that already had service (although Line 6 did a lot to reduce congestion on Line 1). Anyway, I know obviously there is a lot of different news from Latin America, much of it more serious and sad, but I just wanted to share something successful! 
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as you say santiago i will assume "De Chile". Congrats on the spiffy metro, neighbor. I havent ridden the ones in buenos aires enough to loathe them like ppl from there do, but man, does it get crowded there. It's probably the only downside, cause other than that its reliable fast and generally cheap. How's the crowding in there?
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If we're gonna rank them, Buenos Aires metrô > São Paulo metrô Cheap, live music, chewing gum, the thrill at the feeling that the train could just loving fall apart at any moment. Unbeatable
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They also raised the fares on public transport by another 20 pesos without warning and when the most people wouldn’t notice
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ArfJason posted:the cool american who knows what it's like to live in a devastated country thrown into almost eternal unrest caused mostly by american influence: i feel ya bro... i feel ya.... in chicago we also have to buy pepsi sometime... Dude, fnox is a Venezuelan.
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We should kick Chile out of Latin America. Too successful.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Dude, fnox is a Venezuelan. im laughing at the guy he's talking about, not fnox
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Negrostrike posted:We should kick Chile out of Latin America. Too successful. Eh, Chile has a hellish retirement system and leads rankings when it comes to social inequality. I think they fit in just fine.
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ArfJason posted:as you say santiago i will assume "De Chile". Congrats on the spiffy metro, neighbor. I havent ridden the ones in buenos aires enough to loathe them like ppl from there do, but man, does it get crowded there. It's probably the only downside, cause other than that its reliable fast and generally cheap. Yes, Santiago de Chile. This one opened in the summer, when less people are working, so it doesn't seem too crowded so far. It might get worse in autumn. I probably won't be riding it much for work, since it goes to residential areas. It is also deep underground, compared to the other lines. And the trains are (I think because they are deeper underground), wider bodied, so they can fit more people comfortably. It is nowhere near as packed as Line 1, which could get dangerously crowded. hoiyes posted:If we're gonna rank them, Depending on where and when you ride the Santiago metro, there is a lot of music going on. Saw a five piece jazz band the other day, performing on a car! Also, we have Stupid, Sexy Spiderman, who does an erotic dance on the bars of the train.
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ArfJason posted:im laughing at the guy he's talking about, not fnox Carry on then, sorry.
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the only other subway system ive travelled in was in france and i won't even compare it to buenos aires because lmfao. Also I've seen a lot more performers (and incredibly good ones) on the train from Buenos Aires to La Plata or in Buenos Aires itself. The new trains are really really good but based Macri doesn't seem to give a poo poo about them so who knows how long they'll last.
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I have decided it is a better idea to talk about trains.
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glowing-fish posted:Okay, I do have to say one thing for this thread. I got tired of typing it out in USPol. Holy poo poo guy, that is a miserable analogy. And yes, America is still actually a very powerful state, the lone superpower around today. Leftists care about the rich history of American interference in Latin America because time and time again it has lead to horrific consequences for our comrades in those Latin American countries. We don't care because we want to self-flagellate, we care because nothing good ever comes from American adventurism in Latin America for people in those countries with politics like ours.
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