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Generic American posted:Pelosi said "President Bush" instead of Trump by accident one time like two years ago, and in typical "conservatives are masters of comedy" fashion, they have been running it into the ground hard enough that it has burrowed through the earth, come out of the other side, and is currently hurtling into space. So something non lizard brains would not ever find funny? Remember when that British guy who is afraid to go buy milk because he thinks he will be confronted by brown people said the Right was getting "better" at comedy?
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Pylons posted:Do you.. really think this is a good thing to emulate considering that Obamacare did not get repealed? the gop won control of every branch of government and also a bunch of state governments
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ErIog posted:You're shifting the time periods to suit your argument. They had full control of all 3 branches, and part of why is that they were very effective in demonstrating in the previous cycle what they wanted to do when they had that control. Yeah, and when they were unable to do what they wanted and promised they lost control of Congress. Besides that, Pelosi is like, a month into her speakership and she's been dealing with a shutdown government, so there's nothing to say that she's not going to be passing legislation through the house for left-leaning policies.
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ReidRansom posted:Geez how old is the guy? If he was one of Reagan's goons, that was all 35 years ago, dude has to be over 70. In other words, a spry young lad by Republican standards.
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corn in the bible posted:the gop won control of every branch of government and also a bunch of state governments And despite that they couldn't get Obamacare repealed and they lost control of the House and probably the Presidency after one term.
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Pylons posted:I mean, not really? They lost the House and they're probably going to lose the Presidency. They wasted a reconciliation bill. Today could possibly change the Senate in 2020. If every GOP Senator tied their futures with Trump, and Trump lost bigly today, their own futures are now in doubt. McConnell might be primaried in 2020, leaving his current position up for grabs.
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As someone whose been critical of Pelosi I'm in a little in awe of her now.
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corn in the bible posted:ok i'm done but this might be the most beautiful reddit post of all pitiful how so many of these people pin so much on such a poo poo-tier leader and even sadder is how they give so much of a poo poo about someone who has effectively accomplished so little in office that's good
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Does this still need House approval or is it headed straight to the White House? Not that I expect house approval to be a problem, just thinking about the timetable.
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DLC Inc posted:pitiful how so many of these people pin so much on such a poo poo-tier leader and even sadder is how they give so much of a poo poo about someone who has effectively accomplished so little in office that's good I'd love a list of things they think he's done honestly. Besides senate appointing poo poo tons of chud judges.
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nerox posted:I hope Trump pivots on the wall and wants a moat now. "Rio Grande... that means Big River, a lot of people don't know that".
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Pylons posted:And despite that they couldn't get Obamacare repealed and they lost control of the House and probably the Presidency after one term. Because Obamacare ended up being popular in the long run, as people like public benefits expansions. The Republicans lost on the merit of the policy, not because of leadership failure (although they certainly played their bad hand poorly).
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Pylons posted:Yeah, and when they were unable to do what they wanted and promised they lost control of Congress. Pylons posted:And despite that they couldn't get Obamacare repealed and they lost control of the House and probably the Presidency after one term. You're missing the goddamn point. Yeah, the republicans have no platform and pissed away almost all their gains. That isn't what you should take away from what happened. Instead, you need to realize that the republicans NEVER HAD A PLATFORM beyond "gently caress the libs", and they *still* managed to get all 3 branches of govt, a supreme court seat, and a swath of state govt positions. Saying they hosed the dog afterwards is immaterial to the fact that they got in a position to gently caress it all away. So when someone says "hey I think Pelosi should be pushing out bills even if she expects them to die in the senate or on the president's desk in order to energize the base" they have a point. Also, Pelosi has been around a while, she was house minority leader starting in 2001, was speaker in 2007-2011, and then minority leader 2011-2019 (being minority leader or speaker depends on if dems held the house).
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Because Obamacare ended up being popular in the long run, as people like public benefits expansions. The Republicans lost on the merit of the policy, not because of leadership failure (although they certainly played their bad hand poorly). Sorry no. Paul Ryan was the most ineffective piece of poo poo little weasel of a Speaker, and I'm glad his final legacy shot with this shutdown fell flat on its face like the rest of his joke of a "career"
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Today was the day Nancy Pelosi became President.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Today was the day Nancy Pelosi became President. 
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Lord Hydronium posted:Today was the day Nancy Pelosi became President. 
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Pylons posted:Yeah, and when they were unable to do what they wanted and promised they lost control of Congress. Well, if her past is anything to judge her by (and it is), she will need to be pressured to do these things. If she is not pressured everything will be mealy-mouthed means-tested neoliberal bullshit and it will make you sad if you are actually left or progressive. Yeah, she managed to not gently caress up the shut down fight, but we should pay very close attention to the immigration policy negotiations and things after that. She's not suddenly a leftist now because she managed to win an issue the president literally handed to her live on national television that polling backed her up on.
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Mantis42 posted:Shouldn't they have to experience democracy first before deciding that? We don't have the luxury of time anymore to afford "occasionally" getting it wrong anymore. It's fine if you "make the wrong choice" ordering a dish you never tried before at a restaurant (unless you die of food poisoning). It's not okay at all to keep getting it wrong when selecting leaders to guide the world through climate change and transitioning off late stage capitalism. When a child makes a bad choice, you punish them then take that choice away from them in case they didn't lesson like the idiot child they are. Same thing with populations.
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Pylons posted:And despite that they couldn't get Obamacare repealed and they lost control of the House and probably the Presidency after one term. Ok, its an effective strategy AS LONG AS you don't make Donald Trump president.
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ZypherIM posted:Their plan got them the house, and senate, and presidency, and managed to steal at least 1 supreme court seat. The president being black got them most of that
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ErIog posted:Well, if her past is anything to judge her by (and it is), she will need to be pressured to do these things. If she is not pressured everything will be mealy-mouthed means-tested neoliberal bullshit and it will make you sad if you are actually left or progressive. Giving the vociferous progressive freshmen a bunch of wishlist committee assignments is a pretty great sign.
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TulliusCicero posted:Sorry no. Paul Ryan was the most ineffective piece of poo poo little weasel of a Speaker, and I'm glad his final legacy shot with this shutdown fell flat on its face like the rest of his joke of a "career" I guess it would be debating a counterfactual, but I don't know how much more success a talented Speaker would have had in whipping together a toxic vote like ACA repeal. You're not going to hear me praising Paul Ryan's skill, but the Republican party's failures are largely due to their people hating their policy preferences.
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Tayter Swift posted:At least 4channers have something to distract themselves with today lol one of the people trolling them that was making GBS threads on them for being "dipshit journos" literally "twitch gamer" listed as his job as though that isn't a billion times more pathetic
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Concerted action by labor (specifically air traffic controllers) pushed this result, not Nancy loving Pelosi
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Kerning Chameleon posted:We don't have the luxury of time anymore to afford "occasionally" getting it wrong anymore. Hm yes, sometimes democracy makes a mistake and you end up with an idiot like Trump as president for 4 years. So let's scrap that and go with an authoritarian regime where an idiot like Trump could end up as dictator for life. Or an idiot like Maduro. Or Ferdinand Marcos. Surely an improvement.
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Unoriginal Name posted:Concerted action by labor (specifically air traffic controllers) pushed this result, not Nancy loving Pelosi The dunk doesn't happen without the person teeing it up, but sadly the dunker always gets the credit.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I guess it would be debating a counterfactual, but I don't know how much more success a talented Speaker would have had in whipping together a toxic vote like ACA repeal. You're not going to hear me praising Paul Ryan's skill, but the Republican party's failures are largely due to their people hating their policy preferences. Paul Ryan had constant problems from 2010 to 2016 herding the Freedom Caucus back into the fold every time there was even a half-way contentious vote, and they totally hosed him on several of his smaller projects, if not on his signature pieces of legislature (Obamacare repeal, tax cuts). This was partly because a Speaker's main tools for forcing compliance are awarding and revoking committee seats and the withholding or de-prioritizing of campaign fundraising, but Paul Ryan had real problems resorting to that last tool, because fractious Tea Party types could always run off and suck up to the Kochs to get more money.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Today was the day Nancy Pelosi became President. Yes.
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This loving piece of poo poo right here. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/trump-domestic-violence-definition-change.html The Slate posted:"The previous definition included critical components of the phenomenon that experts recognize as domestic abuse—a pattern of deliberate behavior, the dynamics of power and control, and behaviors that encompass physical or sexual violence as well as forms of emotional, economic, or psychological abuse. Gray Ghost fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Paul Ryan had constant problems from 2010 to 2016 herding the Freedom Caucus back into the fold every time there was even a half-way contentious vote, and they totally hosed him on several of his smaller projects, if not on his signature pieces of legislature (Obamacare repeal, tax cuts). This was partly because a Speaker's main tools for forcing compliance are awarding and revoking committee seats and the withholding or de-prioritizing of campaign fundraising, but Paul Ryan had real problems resorting to that last tool, because fractious Tea Party types could always run off and suck up to the Kochs to get more money. paul ryan was also a mondo idiot.
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ErIog posted:Well, if her past is anything to judge her by (and it is), she will need to be pressured to do these things. If she is not pressured everything will be mealy-mouthed means-tested neoliberal bullshit and it will make you sad if you are actually left or progressive. Nancy Pelosi got single payer through the house. So, I don't know, read some history?
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Democracy is vulnerable to manipulation and can deliver bad outcomes. Occasionally democracies willfully vote themselves out of existence. It sucks but the solution is to have safeguards for these things beyond decade to century long norms. Also Hillary Clinton was the democratically elected president. Donald Trump was selected to be president by the undemocratic Electoral College.
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