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Sanguinia posted:I know today was a big win, but I can't help but feel anxious about the possibility of the National Emergency declaration in three weeks. The court packing that's gone on and the stolen SCOTUS seats have done severe damage to my trust in the federal judiciary. it will be caught in the courts for a while and as will people suing because trump wants to take their land for his dumb loving wall. its hosed. more likely, trump will try to push for another shutdown.
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It's okay, you can admit that you forgot it was already 2019. https://twitter.com/AmaziingPuppies/status/1054324358926213120
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Jan 26, 2019 04:53
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the end result of a national emergency declaration would be trump blaming the lack of a WALL on someone that isn't up for election to his teeming hordes of racist idiots before being tied up in the courts before the next president declares the wall extremely stupid and withdraws it from the appellate courts
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Jan 26, 2019 04:54
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088990536051187715 This is uh.... a pretty steep escalation
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King of Solomon posted:Why do you think this? He's old, but if he feels like he's still in good shape after his term (which, given the stresses of the presidency, maybe he won't!), I don't see why he wouldn't seek reelection. I mean the dudes 77 now. So he’ll be 82 for his second term. I dunno, that seems extreme, he’d be closer to 90 than 80 at the end of his second term. And don’t bother shaming me for not supporting Bernie who I like, I’m a Canadian socialist who is just an observer so any burn you can think of will be quickly treated by my free healthcare. But yeah, Bernie’s too old and he kind of looks like he’s feeling it. Sorry.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:56
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Breaking: Mueller's indictment of Trump clears John Baron of Russia "collusion"
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Rex-Goliath posted:This is uh.... a pretty steep escalation To be fair, we've all been asking that for months. I guess after him getting his face crushed in from this fiasco it is time for the knives.
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Craig K posted:the end result of a national emergency declaration would be trump blaming the lack of a WALL on someone that isn't up for election to his teeming hordes of racist idiots before being tied up in the courts before the next president declares the wall extremely stupid and withdraws it from the appellate courts https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1088893196342620165 I think he realizes deep down that emergency declaration poo poo won't work and he is basicaly hoping that if he threatens it enough the dems will fold. i think he is more likely to try for another shutdown but i don't think the GOP will want to do that song and dance again.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:58
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Besesoth posted:It's okay, you can admit that you forgot it was already 2019. Oops, mistypoed. Meant to say 2016. 
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088990536051187715 https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088990538173423616 i think pelosi has figured out that trump is now hosed, he just doesn't know it. my guess is she is also trying to goad him into doing something really dumb or bad.
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Rex-Goliath posted:This is uh.... a pretty steep escalation The tweet is toned down from the thing she wrote that she's quoting! https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/12519-4/ “In the face of 37 indictments, the President’s continued actions to undermine the Special Counsel investigation raise the questions: what does Putin have on the President, politically, personally or financially? Why has the Trump Administration continued to discuss pulling the U.S. out of NATO, which would be a massive victory for Putin?
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Jan 26, 2019 05:00
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So this got buried in the last few pages of OLD chat, but what's this about the GOP not naming people to committees to undermine them?
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Jan 26, 2019 05:01
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There's also, you know, the entire first half of his presidency where it wasn't a "national emergency". Honestly it feels like the more Trump says he's going to do something, the less likely he is to do it. I seem to recall there being a brief period where Trump was also saying that he was going to unilaterally close the Mexican border completely. That doesn't seem to have panned out.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088990538173423616 Yeah she’s turned into Darth Oma, it’s pretty cool to watch.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Honestly it feels like the more Trump says he's going to do something, the less likely he is to do it. I seem to recall there being a brief period where Trump was also saying that he was going to unilaterally close the Mexican border completely. That doesn't seem to have panned out. Because it's literally impossible, I am 100% sure he called people and told them to do that and they all responded "wait, what? that's not a thing"
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I don’t get the national emergency threat. It was an empty threat for 35 days, then Trump caves without getting anything for the wall. Threats only work if it’s believable that you will follow through, and the action you are threatening is undesirable to the other party.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:There's also, you know, the entire first half of his presidency where it wasn't a "national emergency". TyrantWD posted:I don’t get the national emergency threat. It was an empty threat for 35 days, then Trump caves without getting anything for the wall. Threats only work if it’s believable that you will follow through, and the action you are threatening is undesirable to the other party. its because he is a dumb rear end and he says this poo poo partially to reassure himself. if he is saying it, it must be true or some poo poo like that.
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TyrantWD posted:I don’t get the national emergency threat. It was an empty threat for 35 days, then Trump caves without getting anything for the wall. Threats only work if it’s believable that you will follow through, and the action you are threatening is undesirable to the other party. This is the same guy who offered a bad deal, had it rejected out of hand, then came back with a worse deal. Trump is not a smart man.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1088893196342620165 If he thought the national emergency thing would have worked I think he would have done it two weeks ago when he did the prime time address. That's when the rumors first started and it seemed set for that was the reason before Trump backed off and the address was just a stump speech. I think someone explained to Trump that it will just end up lost in the courts and die and nothing would happen before 2020. So he backed off. They're dangling it now because its the only "leverage" they have. Its not real leverage but they're very bad negotiators. He'll still do it in 21 days because he's got nothing to lose, but the idea of the Wall happening any time soon died when Trump gave in today. Everyone knows that, including - I think - Trump. Now they're just struggling to save face.
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STAC Goat posted:If he thought the national emergency thing would have worked I think he would have done it two weeks ago when he did the prime time address. That's when the rumors first started and it seemed set for that was the reason before Trump backed off and the address was just a stump speech. I think someone explained to Trump that it will just end up lost in the courts and die and nothing would happen before 2020. So he backed off. I am still thinking he will just refuse to sign the deal if it doesn't give him the wall or some poo poo and then shut down the goverment.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I am still thinking he will just refuse to sign the deal if it doesn't give him the wall or some poo poo and then shut down the goverment. McConnell won't back him this time and he doesn't have the balls to do it himself. Paul Ryan was the one who took the bullet last time and he's gone now. Donald Trump is a spineless coward who has not once in his 2+ years as President taken a principled stance and held to it. Every instance you can think of is a case where Mitch and/or Ryan had his back and did the dirty work.
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This seems like an important issue to clear up, too: https://twitter.com/ConroyForReal/status/1088836266727075840
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I am still thinking he will just refuse to sign the deal if it doesn't give him the wall or some poo poo and then shut down the goverment. I think organized labor and activists have seen the light this shutdown. The day the federal workers miss a paycheck is the day they strike en masse and the shutdown ends. LaGuardia was just the preview, now that they know they can provoke a reaction like today, it'll be repeated and on a larger scale.
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Yes, the fool didn't realize that when Pelosi has the office of the speaker of the house she get's +9/+9 and trample.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The tweet is toned down from the thing she wrote that she's quoting!
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STAC Goat posted:McConnell won't back him this time and he doesn't have the balls to do it himself. Paul Ryan was the one who took the bullet last time and he's gone now. Young Freud posted:I think organized labor and activists have seen the light this shutdown. The day the federal workers miss a paycheck is the day they strike en masse and the shutdown ends. LaGuardia was just the preview, now that they know they can provoke a reaction like today, it'll be repeated and on a larger scale. your both right. the GOP won't go along with it this time and if he manages too, people will be pissed.
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InsertPotPun posted:Guys? its a good thing. trump hosed himself hard today and probably hosed it up for the rest of his presidency. that being said, its still gonna be a long road. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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InsertPotPun posted:Guys?  Savor it. For tomorrow brings more horrors.
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So, how long do you think it'll take for airports to close if there's another shutdown over the wall? I'm guessing they won't wait two weeks...
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Jan 26, 2019 05:31
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Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his approval levels? They're under 40%!!!
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The Super-Id posted:Yes, the fool didn't realize that when Pelosi has the office of the speaker of the house she get's +9/+9 and trample. Artifact? there are
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WELP found my favorite headline of 2019 already https://twitter.com/reason/status/1088911900262330369?s=21
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I read page four of what was posted on CNN's page (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/read-roger-stone-indictment-fbi/index.html) several times, and didn't find a single line that said this.  All this disproves is that trump himself stole the emails to give to the Russians, a charge which no one was saying, because trump having to ask for the emails from Russia just means they were the intermediary between trump and wikileaks. You wouldn't say "Mister Peanuts hands are clean of the genocide of his people" just because the peanuts go from the peanut packaging plant to your local grocery store without stopping at his corporate headquarters on the very top of Mount Destiny next to that fallen meteorite that gives off an eerie green glow and gee guys let's go on one last adventure before summer ends and F_Shit_Fitzgerald is killed in Vietnam would you? Of course not.
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Spacebump posted:lol at anyone that didn't want Pelosi to be speaker again. I'm glad she held the line and made sure that no Democrats defected during this whole episode. As I've said many times before, she's good at whipping Democrats. She still kind of sucks at messaging, though: quote:"To the Republicans in the crowd, I say: take back your party, the Grand Old Party," Pelosi said at the annual gathering of U.S. mayors. "America needs a strong Republican Party, not a rubber stamp." No it doesn't, Nancy, and Republicans don't need to "take back" their party. What they have now is what they've been working tirelessly towards for decades. Time to put away the old delusion that we can have a friendly, principled debate with the GOP.
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Thaddius the Large posted:WELP found my favorite headline of 2019 already The reasoning in that article is interesting, but you could also make the same argument about vaccinations, or public school, or obeying stop signs etc.. Lots of things are "infringements" on individual choice, but that's the price for living in a society.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:your both right. the GOP won't go along with it this time and if he manages too, people will be pissed. Yeah, there's this pervasive idea that goes through the right and comes out of the right. The right insists Trump is a strong leader and brave fighter for his issues. The left says that's nonsense but that he's a crazed madman who will go down for his racism and pettiness and greed. Neither of these is really true from what we've seen. Crazed madman or strong leader, both require someone to fundamentally be principled and own poo poo. Trump doesn't have that in him, almost to a pathologically degree. He passes the buck and scapegoats people at every turn and always has. If you push him, he WILL back down. He's managed what he has because he had Ryan and McConnell bending over backwards for him. With Ryan/The House gone more pressure falls on McConnell and the Senate and they won't go down with Trump on dying issues. And he won't stand alone and lead.
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