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Fizzil
Aug 24, 2005

There are five fucks at the edge of a cliff...



orange sky posted:

Just saw a UAE born academic share an article by a Kuwaiti that kind of defends Rahaf. This is interesting.

The article in question:
http://elsada.net/99026/

This is very heavily wordy, but the kuwaiti article calls for attitudes to be less reactionary and instead to be rational, to consider what these people go through and respect at least the right for expression in this case but the fact is our societies are pretty limited in such freedoms is what really limits any progressive voice to stand up in support of such principles and is whats gonna keep us from really changing.

Thats the gist of the article, its interesting and good to hear a uae academic in support of this though. But i sincerely dont know when we will be allowed to do so in these countries, kuwait is pretty unique in the region for having better representation than the others.

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orange sky
May 7, 2007

He's not explicitly supporting everything in the article, but even just sharing it seems like... Progress to me.

https://twitter.com/Abdulkhaleq_UAE/status/1086886567891869697

Even Al Arabiya kind of fought against popular criticism for airing her entire interview

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2019/01/19/Critics-debate-airing-of-dirty-laundry-after-Al-Arabiya-s-coverage-of-Rahaf.html

There's a lot of back-to-back news-worthy events going on, maybe too many for the GCC to ignore. Let's see what happens.

orange sky fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Jan 20, 2019

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

VitalSigns posted:

Volkerball posted:

chomsky wants the us to stay in syria. because this time is different.

Volkerball posted:

After the invasions, this argument was what was used to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan for as long as we did/have by warmongering neocons like you.

Volkerball posted:

While the consequences of withdrawal here are potentially not as severe as in Afghanistan, they're also so easily avoidable. Like literally just walking around in uniform in Rojava has been enough to stave off a humanitarian disaster. I'm definitely not sad to see an end to air strikes, since there has been an immediate and clear relaxation in targeting since Trump came into office, and ISIS is a husk of its former self so there's not as pressing a need for them. But for gods sake just leave a few mother fuckers around to be seen and uphold the stalemate.
:psyduck:

lmao

yeah so volkerball asked me to explain to him in very great detail why american troops not leaving (resulting in fewer dead kurds) was a good thing but I think someone did that already in the past 20 pages.
and reading through them...

Volkerball posted:

The Syrian Kurds didn't have citizenship, were slaughtered and imprisoned during a bunch of incidents like the Qamishli riots, and it was because of their revolting that the regime pulled out of northern Kurdistan to begin with, so it could concentrate on the heart of the rebellion. The PYD co-opted the whole movement by imprisoning political prisoners and burning down offices of its opposition, and it has never shared the same anti-Assad sentiment as the Kurds who sacrificed to allow it to exist. As Assad moves in to PYD territory, anyone who criticized the regime is going to be in real danger, to include a lot of Kurds. A lot of them are going to die. The question is whether it will be with the consent of the PYD or not.

I think the problem might actually be that american troops remaining would result in fewer dead socialists.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
Israeli force are hitting Iranian assets in Syria.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1087133200076414976

The Real Amethyst
Apr 20, 2018

When no one was looking, Serval took forty Japari buns. She took 40 buns. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
https://www.facebook.com/YomyatKzefeh/videos/347818652478833/

A livestream of the bombings from earlier. Gets a bit heated around 3 minutes in.
drat this is eerie. Imagine having to live under this regularly?

Looks like a couple of the anti-aircraft missiles malfunctioned and went back down to the ground too.

Frond
Mar 12, 2018
Volkerball thinks PYD/YPG/SDF=Regime because their enemies both happen to be headchopping Sunni Islamists. He ignores the fact that the Regime has attacked the YPG repeatedly.


Certain posters in this thread (Savy Saracen Salad, Radio Prune, Volkerball, rear end Struggle, Horrific Existence) are very quick to call SDF ethno-nationalist and sectarian (it isn’t, although the PYD is a Kurdish Nationalist movement) and draw attention to all of the foreign Twelver Shia militias fighting alongside the SAA, occasionally going so far as to accuse the SAA of commiting ethnic and sectarian cleansing. However they are curiously silent on the Rebel’s character and composition.

The Turkish and Idlib Rebel forces are almost entirely Sunni Arabs, with a minority of Turkmen and an extremely small number of Kurds. The vast majority are hardline Sunni Islamists. There are no more Arab Christians fighting for them. There are no Yezidis. There are no Twelver Shias. There are no Druze. I’ve never seen any evidence that the Ismailis have ever supported the Rebellion at any time. Some Assyrians supported the opposition early on but both of the major organizations representing them are allied to the PYD and Regime so they no longer have a presence. No Syrian Armenians ever supported the opposition (probably because the FSA/AlNusra “Freedom Fighters” blew up a church commemorating the Armenian Genocide and threw the bones into the street, and Sunni Turkmen brigades shot up Armenians in Kessab). There are sure as hell no Alawites remaining in the organization, and there numbers were low to begin with because I don’t think the Alawite community at large is too fond of Al-Qaeda.


For an organization that purportedly represents “Real Syrians” it seems to overwhelmingly be composed of only one segment of society.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Vasukhani posted:

Israeli force are hitting Iranian assets in Syria.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1087133200076414976
Wartime?

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

this has been happening for a while, just accompanied with denials. if this is a meaningful escalation, it's a political one, not a practical one.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Israel claims it's a reprisal.

https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/1087200973628588032

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Israel bombs Iranian forces in Syria for years, one rocket flies into Israel from Syria, and then Israel bombs more and says it's retaliation and the guys manning anti-air defenses they killed deserved it because they were warned not to defend their territory. Russia pulls the same poo poo in Ukraine, Saudi Arabia plays it in Yemen, and the US has played it many times in many places: we're allowed to attack you, but 'holy poo poo, how loving dare you attack our inviolable territory???' the second you retaliate in any way.

Super86
Apr 20, 2016

Fancy_Breakfast posted:

https://www.facebook.com/YomyatKzefeh/videos/347818652478833/

A livestream of the bombings from earlier. Gets a bit heated around 3 minutes in.
drat this is eerie. Imagine having to live under this regularly?

Looks like a couple of the anti-aircraft missiles malfunctioned and went back down to the ground too.

Apparently there was heavy ECM action going on on the part of Israel. In some videos the Syrian missiles zigzag like crazy after a few seconds of being fired, and some of them clearly lose their lock.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Frond posted:

Volkerball thinks PYD/YPG/SDF=Regime because their enemies both happen to be headchopping Sunni Islamists. He ignores the fact that the Regime has attacked the YPG repeatedly.


Certain posters in this thread (Savy Saracen Salad, Radio Prune, Volkerball, rear end Struggle, Horrific Existence) are very quick to call SDF ethno-nationalist and sectarian (it isn’t, although the PYD is a Kurdish Nationalist movement) and draw attention to all of the foreign Twelver Shia militias fighting alongside the SAA, occasionally going so far as to accuse the SAA of commiting ethnic and sectarian cleansing. However they are curiously silent on the Rebel’s character and composition.

The Turkish and Idlib Rebel forces are almost entirely Sunni Arabs, with a minority of Turkmen and an extremely small number of Kurds. The vast majority are hardline Sunni Islamists. There are no more Arab Christians fighting for them. There are no Yezidis. There are no Twelver Shias. There are no Druze. I’ve never seen any evidence that the Ismailis have ever supported the Rebellion at any time. Some Assyrians supported the opposition early on but both of the major organizations representing them are allied to the PYD and Regime so they no longer have a presence. No Syrian Armenians ever supported the opposition (probably because the FSA/AlNusra “Freedom Fighters” blew up a church commemorating the Armenian Genocide and threw the bones into the street, and Sunni Turkmen brigades shot up Armenians in Kessab). There are sure as hell no Alawites remaining in the organization, and there numbers were low to begin with because I don’t think the Alawite community at large is too fond of Al-Qaeda.


For an organization that purportedly represents “Real Syrians” it seems to overwhelmingly be composed of only one segment of society.

Obviously Sunnis don't deserve democracy, representation and dignity.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1087361864042987520?s=19

Taliban hit the gate with a suicide bomber in a Humvee packed with explosives. Gunmen entered in through the breach. No official count yet, but reportedly 126 dead.

svenkatesh
Sep 5, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Randarkman posted:

Obviously Sunnis don't deserve democracy, representation and dignity.

True. Sunnis deserve it but the minorities in Syria don't.

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1087361864042987520?s=19

Taliban hit the gate with a suicide bomber in a Humvee packed with explosives. Gunmen entered in through the breach. No official count yet, but reportedly 126 dead.

gently caress that's a lot of people dead for one event. Is it just me or do these ambushes seem bigger in Afghanistan? In Syria a major event like one of the besieged cities or SAA airbases being fully overrun might result in such a body count, but not all the time.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord

Sinteres posted:

Israel bombs Iranian forces in Syria for years, one rocket flies into Israel from Syria, and then Israel bombs more and says it's retaliation and the guys manning anti-air defenses they killed deserved it because they were warned not to defend their territory. Russia pulls the same poo poo in Ukraine, Saudi Arabia plays it in Yemen, and the US has played it many times in many places: we're allowed to attack you, but 'holy poo poo, how loving dare you attack our inviolable territory???' the second you retaliate in any way.
International politics isn't fair and ultimately military strength trumps anything else. Your post doesn't say anything that anybody doesn't know already.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Flayer posted:

Your post doesn't say anything that anybody doesn't know already.

Wow sorry for wasting valuable internet space sir.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord

Sinteres posted:

Wow sorry for wasting valuable internet space sir.
Your statement is posited as an eye opener to the hypocrisy of great powers when it's something that has been going on since the siege of Megiddo.

svenkatesh
Sep 5, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
God forbid someone call attention to the hypocrisy of the Arabs and Israelis.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Flayer posted:

Your statement is posited as an eye opener to the hypocrisy of great powers when it's something that has been going on since the siege of Megiddo.

Oh well good thing the whole world is woke and agrees on everything so nobody needs to point out anything ever again. My experience has definitely been that everyone on the internet is equally informed and shares uniform viewpoints on such matters. It's obviously true that might makes right isn't a new concept, but it still sucks and I don't think it's unreasonable to say so.

Super86
Apr 20, 2016

Redmark posted:

gently caress that's a lot of people dead for one event. Is it just me or do these ambushes seem bigger in Afghanistan? In Syria a major event like one of the besieged cities or SAA airbases being fully overrun might result in such a body count, but not all the time.

Usually they don't expect it and their security is poo poo, apart from the fact that most of the time the Taliban have somebody inside the unit.
However Syria is a warzone. People is alert all the time and there are no big concentrations of people in a single vulnerable place.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Redmark posted:

gently caress that's a lot of people dead for one event. Is it just me or do these ambushes seem bigger in Afghanistan? In Syria a major event like one of the besieged cities or SAA airbases being fully overrun might result in such a body count, but not all the time.

It's not just you. The Afghan military has been getting it's asses kicked repeatedly in recent years and theyve lost tons of territory. It's really only a matter of time (probably after the US leaves) that the Taliban takes Kabul.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Redmark posted:

gently caress that's a lot of people dead for one event. Is it just me or do these ambushes seem bigger in Afghanistan? In Syria a major event like one of the besieged cities or SAA airbases being fully overrun might result in such a body count, but not all the time.

The article says that the Afghan security forces have taken 28000 KIA since 2015. They are losing the war really badly.

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde
Saudi sisters whose bodies were found bound together near Hudson River died by suicide

quote:

Two Saudi sisters found dead on the edge of New York's Hudson River in October entered the water bound to each other and killed themselves, the medical examiner’s office said Tuesday.

The bodies of Tala Farea, 16, and Rotana Farea, 23, were found on Oct. 24, police said. Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Barbara Sampson said in a statement that "the young women bound themselves together before descending into the Hudson River." The causes of death of both were listed as drowning and the manner suicide.

Suicide had previously been called by investigators a leading theory in their deaths, and when their bodies were found they had been duct-taped together.
:thunk:

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

They'll be in good company with the BLM activists who were found to have shot themselves in the head twice. :(


By the way the Army War College papers about the Iraq war are fairly pro-reads despite truncating out most of the domestic political reasons originating such malignant policy, and in spite of their clickbait abstract "iran won the iraq war" being insanely evident since 2006 to anyone who gave a poo poo about the subject matter.

part 1: http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1373
part 2: http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1376

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Willie Tomg posted:

They'll be in good company with the BLM activists who were found to have shot themselves in the head twice. :(


By the way the Army War College papers about the Iraq war are fairly pro-reads despite truncating out most of the domestic political reasons originating such malignant policy, and in spite of their clickbait abstract "iran won the iraq war" being insanely evident since 2006 to anyone who gave a poo poo about the subject matter.

part 1: http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1373
part 2: http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1376

Any highlights? The first part alone is over 700 pages long.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Willie Tomg posted:

They'll be in good company with the BLM activists who were found to have shot themselves in the head twice. :(

I think it's certainly plausible, if extremely dark. :( Makes you think what kind of living hell awaited them in Saudi Arabia if a double suicide by drowning was the preferable option...

At the same time, there is some super-bitter sweetness in considering that they chose to stay together to the very end with the help of duct tape. It's awful to imagine. :(

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/world/asia/taliban-negotiator-afghanistan.html

Seems like there's a renewed effort in Qatar for peace talks between the US and Taliban

"Taliban officials and Western diplomats said Thursday that an agreement was imminent. They said that the two sides were finalizing a deal in which the Taliban would renounce ties to international terrorist groups and pledge that Afghanistan would not be used as a launching ground for attacks on the United States, as Al Qaeda did in 2001. In return, the Americans would declare a timetable for withdrawing their forces.

But on Friday, one person informed of the talks’ developments who spoke on the condition of anonymity suggested that major sticking points still remained, including demands that the Taliban declare a cease-fire and agree to meet with the Afghan government to negotiate their future role."

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKCN1PK0DG

quote:

KABUL/PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - Taliban officials said U.S. negotiators on Saturday agreed a draft peace deal stipulating the withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghanistan within 18 months of the agreement being signed.

The details were provided to Reuters by Taliban sources at the end of six days of talks with U.S. special peace envoy Zalmay Khalilzad in Qatar aimed at ending the United States’ longest war.

Big, if true.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1089258721010683907

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Willie Tomg posted:

By the way the Army War College papers about the Iraq war are fairly pro-reads despite truncating out most of the domestic political reasons originating such malignant policy, and in spite of their clickbait abstract "iran won the iraq war" being insanely evident since 2006 to anyone who gave a poo poo about the subject matter.

part 1: http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1373
part 2: http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1376

This is pro click as hell, there's a reason it was suppressed for 2 years. You have to filter for a "if we had done more war it would have worked" bias but it's very frank about the various gently caress ups and contexts leading up to and including the Iraq War.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/SnsideLibya/status/1089395305337024512

svenkatesh
Sep 5, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/boghche/status/1090363605260873729

Super86
Apr 20, 2016
Lebanon got a government after almost 9 months.
A guy close to Hezbollah got the Health Ministry. US may cut their aid to that ministry, which is considerable, for fear of the money being redirected to the military wing.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1092087822218072064?s=19

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1092460792119787520?s=19

I wonder when the Iraqis are going to tell us to leave.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes


Theres like a max of 8000 US military personnel. Its a drop in the bucket so really the whole thing is political drivel. "Watching Iran" could be dome by 100 dudes in technicals with hella drones and straight cash bribes

Its a total sham that trump got from his militaty school education (i dont mean west point sports fans)i mean the one you send your 6 year old to because you want to man to man them up for the COMMIES circa 1960s. So risk style warfare of posting troops on the border or portraying the troops af if it were true

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 4, 2019

mediadave
Sep 8, 2011

What's going on here? Whose they? I've lost track of the situation in Libya

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/04/how-u-s-mission-creep-in-syria-and-iraq-could-trigger-war-with-iran/

quote:

The situation remained tense throughout the next few weeks. On the night of May 9, Russia conducted airstrikes just 14 miles from al-Tanf—close enough that the soldiers could hear the aircraft, according to a U.S. defense official who requested anonymity in discussing internal deliberations. Alarmed, U.S. officials quickly negotiated an agreement with Moscow for advance notice whenever Russian planes strike within a 55-kilometer (34-mile) radius around the garrison to ensure they did not endanger coalition forces.

“The agreement was about airstrikes. But it quickly became our narrative that this is our territory,” the official said about the 55-kilometer exclusion zone.

Days later, a group of pro-regime forces believed to be affiliated with Iran or Lebanese Hezbollah told U.S. commanders, through Russian intermediaries, that they intended to pass through al-Tanf to meet up with a group of Iranian-backed forces in Iraq, who were moving toward the border. The headquarters for the Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve—the name of the joint task force established by the U.S.-led international coalition against the Islamic State to coordinate military efforts against the group—declined to answer the message, a silence Russia apparently took as consent, the official said.

The situation escalated quickly. On May 18, the pro-regime group began setting up a rudimentary outpost just 21 miles from al-Tanf. The coalition headquarters called in an airstrike that killed one person and destroyed two unarmed trucks, a tank, and a bulldozer, the official said (the account is backed up by news reports at the time).

U.S. military officials told Russia that the group could remain in place but could not move toward al-Tanf and could not bring in supplies. The U.S. officials told the Russians they would use military force to enforce the directive, the official told FP.

The next day, on May 19, U.S. forces detected a vehicle heading toward the group, carrying a port-a-potty. The coalition headquarters gave the strike order.

The strike never occurred. Air Force officers responsible for operations at the Combined Air Operations Center at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar—the command-and-control hub of air forces throughout the U.S. Air Forces Central Command region—refused to attack because they did not believe it to be “a lawful order that complied with the rules of engagement,” the official said, describing the idea that a threat was posed to U.S. forces as “ludicrous.”

“They had told us exactly what they were going to do, and we had not told them no,” the official said. “We stray from the Constitution when military commanders choose to use U.S. military force against another state’s force in the absence of a credible, imminent threat.”

Hate being thwarted from kickstarting a war by higher ups saying "no" when I ask to blow up Iran's strategic port-a-potty reserve.

OhFunny fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Feb 4, 2019

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Bellingcat did this over the weekend:



quote:


GLAN and Bellingcat host open source intelligence experts to investigate air-strikes in Yemen


In late January 2019 GLAN and Bellingcat brought together world leading investigative journalists, technologists, and lawyers to combine their expertise in open source intelligence to discover, verify, analyse and preserve a dataset of 100 aerial bombardments occurring in Yemen.

The Collective’s aim will be to create a replicable methodology and a comprehensive public database to meet the highest evidentiary standards for potential use in impact-oriented investigative journalism, academia, and legal endeavours. This singular four-day event hosted by The Policy Institute at King's College London provided a fundamental opportunity to establish a benchmark for conducting remote Open Source Investigations in Yemen. The resulting database of incident assessments, methodology and explainers will be made publicly available by the 4th anniversary of the aerial bombing campaign, March 2019.

It's all part of the next stage of Bellingcat's developing, opening an office in The Hague with an investigations team using our experience with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine, advice from legal experts, and working with technologists (in particular the Syrian Archive) to create a complete open source investigation and archiving process with the ultimate aim of meeting the standards required to use our research and the evidence we collect in courts.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Theres like a max of 8000 US military personnel. Its a drop in the bucket so really the whole thing is political drivel. "Watching Iran" could be dome by 100 dudes in technicals with hella drones and straight cash bribes

Its a total sham that trump got from his militaty school education (i dont mean west point sports fans)i mean the one you send your 6 year old to because you want to man to man them up for the COMMIES circa 1960s. So risk style warfare of posting troops on the border or portraying the troops af if it were true

tbf my impression is that Trump's military school education was genuinely good for him and where he came closest to being a happy, normal, decent human being

then he graduated and decided to become the sort of person Fred Trump wanted his heir to be

and is that person to this very day

edit I have abruptly realized this is not uspol

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