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The Super-Id posted:You know, as a white guy I sometimes feel hurt by all the mistrust and the bad rep we get because I try to live my life mindful of my privilege and act in a way that helps everyone around me, then I think for half a second and realize that that discomfort I feel is not 1/100th of what women and people of color face pretty much every day. Lmao
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ewiley posted:Musing in the Trump thread on a Saturday: I’m not sure they compare. The world was very different then. Pre-weaponized Internet, pre-9/11, less lovely economy, higher standards on politicians in theory. Remember how folks like RATM tried to tell us Bush & Gore were the same?
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Jan 26, 2019 20:22
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ewiley posted:"Why don't you guys thank me for how woke I am." It doesn't work that way. You shouldn't get praise for doing the right thing, it should be the default. If people mistrust you for being a white dude, make your actions speak louder than your words or posts on dead forums. Oh come on now. Accusing anyone who acknowledge their privilege of humblebragging is exactly the kind of woke Olympics you are complaining against.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:22
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corn in the bible posted:Donna Brazile claims that the TRUMP DUCKS HIS TAXES DUCK was Hillary's idea and everyone thought it was idiotic but refused to tell Clinton Have you ever noticed that nothing is ever Donna Brazile's fault?
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I wasn’t trying to humble brag. My point was that I see a lot of white people get defensive when they are flat out told they can’t be trusted. It’s something I have an emotional reaction to as well, and I think that reflecting on that can be useful to understand my own privilege.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:24
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Brony Car posted:Have you ever noticed that nothing is ever Donna Brazile's fault? remember when donna brazile did a photo op with david "i dehydrate teenage prisoners to death" clarke full on defection to the persians there
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Jan 26, 2019 20:26
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like, at least own the things you say instead of pretending that you are the solom speaker speaking passively for republicans. Say that you don't think food riots are a big deal, instead of claiming you have some imaginary republican in your head that tells us to tell you that. I'm not a Republican. I believe in the following: -Some form of UBI system guaranteeing every citizen the basic necessities of life, regardless of their employment status. -Serious steps to combat climate change, like fundamentally altering our entire energy and transport energy system. -Repealing the 2nd amendment. -Open immigration as long as it helps the economy. -Reforming the justice system and lowering the penalties on drug use. -Steps taken to help the disenfranchisement of women and minorities. -Other liberal opinions With that being said, I don't think capitalism needs to be abandoned. So that puts me in conflict with some people here I guess.
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The Super-Id posted:I wasn’t trying to humble brag. My point was that I see a lot of white people get defensive when they are flat out told they can’t be trusted. It’s something I have an emotional reaction to as well, and I think that reflecting on that can be useful to understand my own privilege. Treat this bit like a parable; rap music is your whiteness, as a component of your own personal identity and sense of self: https://youtu.be/bWvi9dfB4jU selec fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think I'd be willing to trade the wall for these things but I agree in the abstract that this should be the negotiation floor. Exactly, it needs to be something specifically pro immigrant that helps undocumented immigrants, those things are great in a vacuum but the wall is specifically a racism monument and any "concessions" for it need to counter racism much more strongly than the wall would promote it.
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Brony Car posted:Have you ever noticed that nothing is ever Donna Brazile's fault? I blame Delores
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Jan 26, 2019 20:27
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Crow Jane posted:He suuuuucccckkkks At this point it is more impressive if the Republicans could field someone even worse then Trump which is mildly ironic considering that they may have managed to do just that with Pence.
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The Super-Id posted:You know, as a white guy I sometimes feel hurt by all the mistrust and the bad rep we get because I try to live my life mindful of my privilege and act in a way that helps everyone around me, then I think for half a second and realize that that discomfort I feel is not 1/100th of what women and people of color face pretty much every day. What. What. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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Jan 26, 2019 20:29
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Aramis posted:Oh come on now. Accusing anyone who acknowledge their privilege of humblebragging is exactly the kind of woke Olympics you are complaining against. Ok, I misread the original statement, I apologize to super-id. But still I take the stance that--as a white guy--I can't immediately say 'well ackshually' when someone mistrusts white people because there's a lot there. Lots of minorities have to deal with microaggressions daily and are expected to deal silently and white people complaining about it is just lol sometimes.
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Brony Car posted:Have you ever noticed that nothing is ever Donna Brazile's fault? I do agree that her whole thing is pretending she had no power but that 'Donald DUCKS his taxes' thing is 100% something Clinton probably thought was hilarious and I wouldn't be shocked if it was her idea.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:30
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Imagining Hillary laughing and clapping as she sees a dude in a duck suit run around the back of a rally, thinking this surely will own Trump
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Jan 26, 2019 20:31
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ewiley posted:Ok, I misread the original statement, I apologize to super-id. But still I take the stance that--as a white guy--I can't immediately say 'well ackshually' when someone mistrusts white people because there's a lot there. Lots of minorities have to deal with microaggressions daily and are expected to deal silently and white people complaining about it is just lol sometimes. I feel like I’m being misunderstood a bit. Maybe I spoke poorly. This is basically what I was trying to say.
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Larry Hogan running in 2020 could be nightmarish. Be wary of him. He’s good at presenting as a reasonable politician, he can do the sort of cuts that gently caress up infrastructure decades down the line (the cuts to bridge tolls is gonna gently caress Maryland in our lifetimes), and he can quietly oppose anything left of Bush era policy. Hogan is what everyone characterizes half the Democratic field to be.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:32
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the level of loving conflict that will never matter and never result in recusal is unbelievable https://twitter.com/EricColumbus/status/1089238162252148741
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Jan 26, 2019 20:33
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I'm just a white man who's intentions are good, oh lord let me wade into this debate
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Jan 26, 2019 20:33
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Larry Hogan running in 2020 could be nightmarish. Be wary of him. isn't hogan, by republican standards, so liberal that trump will just call him a pussy who loves amnesty one thousand times
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Jan 26, 2019 20:34
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As an outsider looking in I just hope virtually any Democrat wins with a congressional majority. My opinion on politicians with some less than stellar records is that maybe they can be hammered on it from the left to force them to correct. In some cases, maybe it lets them have certain advantages? "Only Nixon could go to China", maybe only Harris can reform the criminal justice system? It's nice to hope for, but surely even in the worst case scenario she would still be better than an actual white supremacist no? To me it seems like what we really want is to hope for someone who has the knowledge and determination to make the decisions necessary to prevent a permanent right wing minority rule by the Republicans. That seems like a much more difficult question to answer and I'm not sure why people are figuratively knifing each other over the particulars of candidates before primary season officially begins.
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I don't see any outcomes for 2020 other than Democrats win or Trump is reelected, if Trump decided to run again. If Trump is in such a weak position as to get primaried out, no way the GOP retains the White House. Even if he decided just not to run again, or resigned before the end of his term, a modest decline in GOP turnout combined with the generally negative sentiment the party's gotten during the Century of Trump will be disastrous.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I'm just a white man who's intentions are good, oh lord let me wade into this debate It's the only place we belong! 
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Raenir Salazar posted:To me it seems like what we really want is to hope for someone who has the knowledge and determination to make the decisions necessary to prevent a permanent right wing minority rule by the Republicans. That seems like a much more difficult question to answer and I'm not sure why people are figuratively knifing each other over the particulars of candidates before primary season officially begins. Also this.
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If you ever find yourself saying "as a white/straight guy" (or hell even just "as a guy") you're probably doing something wrong
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KillHour posted:Looks like NY is on the edge of legalization. I'm sure Cuomo will find the dumbest way possible to gently caress it up (Like his proposed plan of allowing individual counties to opt out). Are you trying to characterize NY state as otherwise being particularly sensitive to the needs of New York City? Contrary to what Western Upstate Republicans love complaining about in their commercials, downstate generates the majority of state tax revenue (with New York City generating 56% of it). Western and Upstate get way more state spending than they ever generate in taxes. The share of state expenditures that NYC gets its less than its share of the state's population.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Larry Hogan running in 2020 could be nightmarish. Be wary of him. He's not going to win the primary and he'd do worse than Trump in a general election. A spoiler run to soak up independent  voters might be a problem.
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Saagonsa posted:If you ever find yourself saying "as a white/straight guy" (or hell even just "as a guy") you're probably doing something wrong As a white (mostly) straight guy, I am aware of my privilege in life and try to do my best to support those who fight for equality.
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Koalas March posted:Bernie Sanders and Keith Ellison. I'd vote for that. Honestly, though, any Democrat has by support except for Biden (though I have a feeling he's going to be the nominee, just based on name recognition AND sucking up all the centrist votes while the progressive vote gets divided 8 ways) or Gabbard (her homophobia and wretched foreign policy aren't forgivable, especially from someone born the same year I was). Followed by Polis/Buttigieg 2028! 2 boring, white gay men. By that point hopefully we'll have achieved enough that they can keep the system running smoothly. And based on generational turnings, by that point we'll be tired and really in the mood for boring people in public office.
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The Super-Id posted:I wasn’t trying to humble brag. My point was that I see a lot of white people get defensive when they are flat out told they can’t be trusted. It’s something I have an emotional reaction to as well, and I think that reflecting on that can be useful to understand my own privilege. Whitefragility.txt
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For as much poo poo as super-id is taking for that post, I think "white dude publicly comes to terms with his reflexive indignance and fragility" doesn't look so tired out on a day when someone used the term "nominally nonwhite" to refer to a black candidate they don't like.
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cant cook creole bream posted:As a white straight guy, I am aware of my privilege in life and try to do my best to support those who fight for equality. But actually saying that sentence during any conversation it would be relevant in would just be you making the topic about yourself!
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Jan 26, 2019 20:45
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think I'd be willing to trade the wall for these things but I agree in the abstract that this should be the negotiation floor. Why is that? I would take any of these for the wall, tbh, mostly because the wall is meaningless garbage while something like min wage increase would be really hard to push through chud senate.
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The thing is, Biden flavor dems are very used to their stances being taken as matter of fact truth, and they've been cruising on that for many years. The newer class of dems are actually centered on a Justice For All platform, not a middling "access" to medical care half measures. All of the old guard are imminently detestable because as soon as you take away their "we're the best good guys" narrative suddenly they're just standing there in the spotlight as ideologically spineless republicans.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:For as much poo poo as super-id is taking for that post, I think "white dude publicly comes to terms with his reflexive indignance and fragility" doesn't look so tired out on a day when someone used the term "nominally nonwhite" to refer to a black candidate they don't like. One can come to terms with something without publicly shouting about it simply to jibe others? Perhaps?
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:For as much poo poo as super-id is taking for that post, I think "white dude publicly comes to terms with his reflexive indignance and fragility" doesn't look so tired out on a day when someone used the term "nominally nonwhite" to refer to a black candidate they don't like. Kotex’s posts were what prompted me. E: anyway I don’t want this to be about me so I will go away for a while now.
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Does anyone have a link to what is actually funded? Specifically TANF and SNAP?
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Jan 26, 2019 20:48
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:For as much poo poo as super-id is taking for that post, I think "white dude publicly comes to terms with his reflexive indignance and fragility" doesn't look so tired out on a day when someone used the term "nominally nonwhite" to refer to a black candidate they don't like. It's almost like white fragility is part of the spectrum of racism. When someone posts about white people, loving deal with it like you aren't in a place of power to change it. Cause there isn't a single PoC that doesn't have to deal with that poo poo every loving day.  Being self aware is great, wanting a cookie for it is loving hilarious and sad.
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Do you think the democrats could get medicare for all in exchange for the wall? I honestly think something like that would be worth it.
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This would seem to be a great counter to the ‘build a wall to eliminate drugs’ contingent. https://twitter.com/dmvblacklives/status/1089232168293990404?s=21
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