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nm posted:There are now lawyers younger than your law degree. Some of them are in this very thread. And not even juniors.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Good lunch
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Yuns posted:Look good but needs more tendon and brisket. It’s a brisket pho. About 5X more meat under the noodles.
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Jan 26, 2019 23:19
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Where the gently caress is the hot sauce?
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Jan 26, 2019 23:22
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Where the gently caress is the hot sauce? On the plate for dipping you phàm tục
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Tell me more about medical school and MBA options. I'm sure if I go to the designated threads they'll suggest I'd better become a lawyer.
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The Unholy Ghost posted:Tell me more about medical school and MBA options. I'm sure if I go to the designated threads they'll suggest I'd better become a lawyer. Nah. The medical school thread will tell you to go to nursing school or get an MBA. Cause I post in the med school thread Seriously though, nurses are always going to be in demand. It will be one of the last jobs to get automated out if ever. It's shift work usually broken up into 8, 10, or 12 hour shifts. You get paid overtime after 40 hours. Double after 60 hours. Starting salaries are ~$25+ an hour out of nursing school. They've got good professional organizations and lobbying. There are some nursing jobs that, with ~4 years training, will net you ~150k on 40 hours / week (nursing anesthesia for surgeries). 2-3 years training and you can make 60-80k on 36 hours a week in the ICU. Basically, you just have to be able to handle blood, puke, pus, and poop and even then there are jobs in psych where you can cut down on most of the bodily fluids. Compare that with medical school which I started in 2011 and I'm just about to sign a contract for my first job able to practice independently in August. I had all pre-requisites done for med school prior to going into it. You would have to apply for the 2020 start cycle at the earliest. Add another 2 years if you needed to do a post bac. If you wanted to be a surgeon, specialist, or a subspecialized IM doc, you wouldn't be making a decent salary until 2030. Med school would be unpaid. Residency/Fellowship (3-7+ years) would be ~$50-60k / year until you finished that. Med school will be $30-60k tuition + $30k cost of living per year. Post Bac is also $30-40k tuition + cost of living. Lord help you if you want to go to Georgetown medical school (the most expensive) and live in DC at the same time. I had a friend that got into medical school in NYC. He was making so much money with his tutoring company, he decided to bag going to medical school and now runs a tutoring company for SAT, LSAT, MCAT tests. Lote fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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The Unholy Ghost posted:Tell me more about medical school and MBA options. I'm sure if I go to the designated threads they'll suggest I'd better become a lawyer. They would be wrong. Again, look at the stats about substance abuse and mental health issues. When people say it's a poo poo job and a poo poo industry, they aren't just saying it to hurt your fee fees. I count as part of the new class too, having graduated last year (not in the US) because I didn't know what to do after high school, and hey, I'm good at English and interested in politics, so law makes sense right? The reason it was a slightly (and only slightly) less horrible idea for me to do it is because 1. I graduated with no debt (thanks mum and dad, and regulated university fees), and 2. I was able to leverage my experience into a non-law job, where I'm now not practicing. I'm now considering doing a Masters in an unrelated field. If you're considering doing it because you're interested in practicing, go find out what it's actually like to practice first from someone you know, since you obviously don't trust the decades of experience ITT. If "money" is even on the list of reasons you're considering it, you're making a mistake and your list is wrong. Please keep posting if you go though, Toona needs a successor saga.
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Jan 26, 2019 23:54
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Good lunch Too bad we can't see any of the tripe
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The Unholy Ghost posted:Tell me more about medical school and MBA options. I'm sure if I go to the designated threads they'll suggest I'd better become a lawyer. Just become a lawyer after you get your scholarship to a t-14
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Hoshi posted:Too bad we can't see any of the tripe Hell yeah brother.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Just become a lawyer after you get your scholarship to a t-14 But in all seriousness, if you actually score a scholarship at a T14 and you're presently working at McDonald's, then yeah, go to law school (or hop on any of a dozen less painful career tracks, because if you can get into NYU law or whatever you can definitely get into a nursing program, etc. of your choosing).
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If you want a career in demand, train to install windmills in the Midwest/Great Plains. The demand for those guys is through the roof and the pay is outstanding considering the education/training required. Far more recession proof than the oil guys who drove to North Dakota and lived in their trucks.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:It’s a brisket pho. About 5X more meat under the noodles. Too many bean sprouts for my taste, but otherwise looks great.
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Yuns posted:. All this, plus a healthy dose of nihilism
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One of our interns shadowed me the other day, and we had to call this guy and tell him that he got hosed on a lien claim deal and she was like, "but, the judge was wrong?" And I'm like, "yep." and she's like, "well can't you do anything about it?" and I'm like, "nope(interlocutory)" and she's like, "that can't be right.. that's not fair!?!" Lol
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Lote posted:Nah. The medical school thread will tell you to go to nursing school or get an MBA. Those union protections are very state and region specific. Grab the wrong job nursing and you’ll get used and abused. Head over to the healthcare stories thread for words from the trenches. I think it may be more helpful than the nursing thread which is more about applying for and getting through school. Whitlam posted:They would be wrong. Again, look at the stats about substance abuse and mental health issues. When people say it's a poo poo job and a poo poo industry, they aren't just saying it to hurt your fee fees. I doubt that any of us in the med thread would be foolish enough to send someone towards law school, though it would drop their chances of suicide by like 30%. Physicians have astronomically high suicide and substance abuse rates and lead the nation on at least the former. 
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I ran into a girl at the bar last night that I went to law school with. She was convinced she was going to go from our low ranked regional school into 140k a year. Instead she’s making the equivalent of a 1st year PD (after getting rejected for the clerkship I got with the PD). She came over and did the thing where she made sure to talk about being a lawyer and I haven’t taken the bar. I told her I’m making twice what I would have made with the PD, I don’t even have work email on my phone, and I’m ridiculously happy. She complained about being burned out after 2 months. I bought her a glass of wine and walked away with the biggest dickhead grin on my face and it was loving magical.
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Oh and next fall I’m going back to my undergrad school that I loved to get my MBA since my company is paying for it. Go to law school, get non-law job, be happy.
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Toona the Cat posted:I ran into a girl at the bar last night that I went to law school with. She was convinced she was going to go from our low ranked regional school into 140k a year. Instead she’s making the equivalent of a 1st year PD (after getting rejected for the clerkship I got with the PD). She came over and did the thing where she made sure to talk about being a lawyer and I haven’t taken the bar. I told her I’m making twice what I would have made with the PD, I don’t even have work email on my phone, and I’m ridiculously happy. She complained about being burned out after 2 months. I bought her a glass of wine and walked away with the biggest dickhead grin on my face and it was loving magical. Time to update Toona’s portion of the OP.
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Our environmental law society had a panel on individuals who got JDs and weren't practicing lawyers and they all sounded like they landed on their feet pretty well.
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And now I can do one of those all day things: 630 - wake up, splash water on face, get dressed, leave 700 - get to parking garage, walk to health club 710 - play racquetball with buddies, work out, indoor track, cardio, whatever 800 - shower, shave, get dressed for work, leave laundry bag for locker room attendant 830 - black coffee and some sort of protein bar 900-1300, do about 0-60 minutes of work interspersed with brief meetings, reading WaPo/FT/NYT/WSJ, talking to coworkers, refilling water bottle 1300 - lunch, usually with former coworkers or law school pals 1400-1700 same as morning 1700 - go home/go to happy hour 1730/1830 - get home to cooked dinner/make dinner and have a drink 1930-2300 whatever I want 2300 - read news, go to bed
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Just become a lawyer after you get your scholarship to a t-14 Yup, those are the conditions by which I will become a lawyer. If it's impossible, well then, ya'll don't need to warn me, I won't become a lawyer. If I get my good LSAT, and my T14 scholarship, well, we'll see what happens next.
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Joining the "don't go" chorus. 2015 CLS grad here. Had a partial scholarship. Work in a relatively humane biglaw firm. I would still do unspeakable things to wind back the clock and not go at all. Bushido Brown fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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The Unholy Ghost posted:Yup, those are the conditions by which I will become a lawyer. Give me 10% of what you’d pay to go to law school then I’ll kick you in the balls and we’ll both come out ahead.
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The greatest irony is that, in the end, it was Toona who owned us all.
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So there has been some discussion about this, but I think no clear answer, and I am curious. I do understand the dilemma of the modern liberal arts major in particular - it feels like they are told that every profession is either nonviable financially or horrible work day-to-day. With perhaps some exceptions which are also nonviable for many personality types (I highly doubt I could ever do nursing, for example - I think it takes a particular type of person/non-squeemishness). But that leaves a bunch of negatives (don't go), without any real positive direction as to where one can go with a history degree, english degree, poly sci degree, or similar degree. (Let's just say any degree without a hard skill set, like comp sci or economics or something, where you can go be a programmer, an actuarial, or something else.) For people who were not blessed with STEM abilities, what attainable jobs/careers are out there that allow you to live a decent, middle class existence that at least after a decade or so stops being paycheck to paycheck, but where the job is also not miserable to work? Bonus points if this is something that can be obtained in your mid-40s starting over from scratch without having to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars for new education/certifications (just hypothetically). But all jokes aside, I think it is helpful, because I understand the plight of people who cannot figure out what to do, and are repeatedly told, "Don't do that, it's horrible," without any good direction on what they reasonably can go do. SlyFrog fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Vox Nihili posted:But in all seriousness, if you actually score a scholarship at a T14 and you're presently working at McDonald's, then yeah, go to law school (or hop on any of a dozen less painful career tracks, because if you can get into NYU law or whatever you can definitely get into a nursing program, etc. of your choosing). I agree with the parenthetical here. The impression I get from you, new guy, is you are very young. Like just 1 year out of college, right? If you have the ability to get into a "top" law school and you are only interested in making money, I don't know why you'd choose law over something like investment banking or consulting. Isn't McKinsey's whole deal that they prefer to hire liberal arts majors? Plus, you're young enough you could do a tiny amount of post-bac quant work, and then make money in finance. I am morally and politically opposed to school-based elitism, but it's a general truth about our society that if you went to good schools and do well on tests, you are more likely to be able to get into any kind of good program or get hired into a good job. There's no particular reason to choose law if that's the position you're in. Or hell, get a generic "social media manager" job or whatever at a big company, make a tolerable amount of money for a while, and eventually become senior associate deputy VP for SEO or whatever the hell people do in generic corporate jobs now. The job market writ large in the US is much, much better than it was 10 years ago -- but law has never fully recovered from the great recession. You might be able to walk into a 50-70k per year bullshit job in marketing, sales, whatever -- meanwhile, lawyers are making that amount of money (or less) after 3 years of lost earning potential and usually, significant debt. Law is for (1) sociopaths, (2) people who regrettably went to "low ranked" schools and are now trapped by circumstance, or (3) for dumb do-gooders like me, joat mon, nm, and whoever else who has foolishly yolked themselves to a life of hitting their heads against a wall when we could've made more money doing something else.
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SlyFrog posted:So there has been some discussion about this, but I think no clear answer, and I am curious. You could be a CEO or a guru. There are no decent loving jobs that you can get with a liberal arts degree in 99% of the United States. I have a ton of friends go into academia because if you're smart that's one of the last decent areas to work in. Beyond that most of my friends with a degree in the humanities either work in restaurants, sales, real estate, or customer service of some type.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:You could be a CEO or a guru. There are no decent loving jobs that you can get with a liberal arts degree in 99% of the United States. I have a ton of friends go into academia because if you're smart that's one of the last decent areas to work in. Beyond that most of my friends with a degree in the humanities either work in restaurants, sales, real estate, or customer service of some type. Let me add to my previous set of questions then - assuming this is true, what non-liberal arts (e.g. STEM) positions could a person who is mediocre at math and science reasonably expect to get (with minimal additional training, per my earlier post - so not another four year degree, but perhaps a year or so of community college if necessary)?
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Yuns posted:
Particularly the no ability to feel stress/anxiety and the competitiveness pieces (in my case). Though I guess I wasn’t always like that.
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SlyFrog posted:Let me add to my previous set of questions then - assuming this is true, what non-liberal arts (e.g. STEM) positions could a person who is mediocre at math and science reasonably expect to get (with minimal additional training, per my earlier post - so not another four year degree, but perhaps a year or so of community college if necessary)? IT.
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Some of the dumbest people I know (and also some of the smartest) are doing just great in IT career tracks!
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SlyFrog posted:Let me add to my previous set of questions then - assuming this is true, what non-liberal arts (e.g. STEM) positions could a person who is mediocre at math and science reasonably expect to get (with minimal additional training, per my earlier post - so not another four year degree, but perhaps a year or so of community college if necessary)? I have a friend who got a job.placing graduates from a coding boot camp with companies that need coders. So if you're willing to shell out for a coding boot camp there is that.
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