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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Pylons posted:That's what happens when you're the frontrunner. 
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Jan 27, 2019 04:04
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Eiba posted:I don't know what Sanders has said that's as concrete and structurally important as that. Medicare for All is a great way to present a new healthcare system, but it's Democratic dogma now. That's great, but Warren seems like she's actually pushing for new ideas. If Medicare for All is dogma in the Democratic party - and I don't agree that it is, yet - that happened because Bernie Sanders ran on the idea in 2016 and nearly beat the anointed establishment Democrat despite her huge institutional advantage. People believe him when he says he'll enact Medicare for All. Does Elizabeth Warren have a long track record of unambiguously advocating for UHC?
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Jan 27, 2019 04:05
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Trabisnikof posted:And that's what I really don't understand about Warren, why is she so unwilling to talk about climate solutions? That speech was perfectly fine on climate impacts and climate causes but she just glosses over actually addressing climate change. Removing fossil fuel subsidies is nowhere near enough. She mentioned a Green New Deal in her video on the wealth tax as something it could help pay for. Though I do think though you’re right I think she would favor say a really strong carbon tax to reduce demand of fossil fuels, and a bunch of investments in clean energy. Rather than really strict regulations. Though I guess we will see when she comes out with her platform.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:05
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Oh God they are trying to start a hashtag FleeTheBern https://twitter.com/wjw26/status/1089353752887349249 This is so loving hilarious
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Jan 27, 2019 04:07
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Oh God they are trying to start a hashtag FleeTheBern Of course that person doesn't realize that Bernie always does that.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:09
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LionArcher posted:He is, Especially considering he tried to do the old white guy “it shouldn’t matter if the person is black white, male or female “ garbage guys always do when they’re arguing about running for office. We’ve had 45 male presidents, time for a woman ffs. A number of women on Twitter today talked about how they stumped for him and supported his campaign in 2016, and how the harassment was so bad during the campaign and after that they are a never Bernie person. He did a pathetic job answering for that, or trying to calm his Bernie Bro mob online down. total agreement here, it's her turn
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Jan 27, 2019 04:10
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King of Solomon posted:Of course that person doesn't realize that Bernie always does that. Yeah, it's sort of his thing, and I honestly respect him more for it.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:11
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This primary is gonna be a mirror of the 2012 GOP primary, isn't it? Just the liberals trying on every flavor of the month non Bernie candidate only for them to burn out after a month or so, like the right did with Romney. Unless Biden really does prove to be a durable frontrunner then maybe he'll be the Romney and we'll be the saps supporting the new Paul.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:14
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at this early stage, anyone who thinks they know how the primary will end is kidding themselves. there’s going to be a dozen candidates and no one is polling above 30%.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:18
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theblackw0lf posted:Still though if you’re a socialist Bernie is your best choice.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:18
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Lots of good points for Sanders. Seems like he has a more solid environmental policy which is incredibly immediately important. It's kind of baffling that Warren doesn't have that more together. With regards to Medicare for All- sounds like Warren's Obamacare bandaid was promoted with her saying "Medicare for All is great, but in the meantime let's do this" which is... not the urgency I would like. Why not Medicare for all now? I'm still incredibly into workers representatives on corporate boards and wealth taxes though. But on the balance I'm back to just hoping one of them makes it, and that the left doesn't devour itself arguing over which one it should be. Mantis42 posted:This primary is gonna be a mirror of the 2012 GOP primary, isn't it? Just the liberals trying on every flavor of the month non Bernie candidate only for them to burn out after a month or so, like the right did with Romney. There's still plenty of room for someone to gather a base if they're good at campaigning. What odds do you think people gave Obama in January 2007?
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Jan 27, 2019 04:25
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Mantis42 posted:This primary is gonna be a mirror of the 2012 GOP primary, isn't it? Just the liberals trying on every flavor of the month non Bernie candidate only for them to burn out after a month or so, like the right did with Romney. I'll accept this if we get one of those D&D campaigns like we did for the GOP in 2012. I also want to see everyone flame out like all the 2012 GOP idiots.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:30
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Ugh, lol. Centrist and Russiagate crazed pundits/twitter brigades are just the worst. https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1089265458723897344 https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1089259202911109120
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Jan 27, 2019 04:33
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The whole 'racist, sexist Berniebros' thing seems like massive projection, not just because of all the wealthy white male pundits finding new ways to dismiss women and Bernie supporters of colour, but, well, donut twitter.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:38
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By the way it should be mentioned that Warren and Sanders are actually good friends and mutually admire each other. In fact Sanders only ran after he realized Warren wasn’t going to. If she had run though he was ready to enthusiastically support her, not in a “you’d be better than Hillary” but “you’d be a really good president” way. They definitely have different views of capitalism, but their values I think are very similar.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:39
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The whole 'racist, sexist Berniebros' thing seems like massive projection, not just because of all the wealthy white male pundits finding new ways to dismiss women and Bernie supporters of colour, but, well, donut twitter. Mind explaining what donut Twitter is?
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Jan 27, 2019 04:43
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theblackw0lf posted:By the way it should be mentioned that Warren and Sanders are actually good friends and mutually admire each other. In fact Sanders only ran after he realized Warren wasn’t going to. If she had run though he was ready to enthusiastically support her, not in a “you’d be better than Hillary” but “you’d be a really good president” way. She'd make a wonderful vice president for him. But Trump would prolly destroy her in a head-to-head.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:44
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Willa Rogers posted:She'd make a wonderful vice president for him. That's my hope at the moment.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:45
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Mind explaining what donut Twitter is? Thousands of years ago, or at least one, Our Revolution led by Nina Turner were shut out of the DNC headquarters, and offered donuts and water. Twitter liberals considered this an absolutely sick burn on those uppity leftists and to this day bear a donut emoji in their names to celebrate a black woman being sidelined from the party for being a Bernie supporter.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:49
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Thousands of years ago, or at least one, Our Revolution led by Nina Turner were shut out of the DNC headquarters, and offered donuts and water. Twitter liberals considered this an absolutely sick burn on those uppity leftists and to this day bear a donut emoji in their names to celebrate a black woman being sidelined from the party for being a Bernie supporter.  Is there a write-up of that so where because I already love Nina Turner. poo poo now I need to look at my twitters and make sure to blackhole anyone with a donut.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:51
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Mind explaining what donut Twitter is? Nina Turner from 'Our Revolution' wanted to meet with top level party members at the DNC to discuss issues that would end up being on the platform but instead of sending literally anybody to talk to her they gave her a small meeting room empty but for some complimentary donuts. When she talked about it on twitter all the hillary stans put donut emojis in their handles to make fun of her. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/9/1688226/-Nina-Turner-gets-upset-over-donuts-and-water-Really
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Jan 27, 2019 04:53
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Willa Rogers posted:She'd make a wonderful vice president for him. If I knew that Bernie would pick Warren for VP I’d have no problem supporting Bernie in the primary.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:54
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theblackw0lf posted:If I knew that Bernie would pick Warren for VP I’d have no problem supporting Bernie in the primary. It would be pretty great for Bernie to flip off everyone worrying about his age by picking another septuagenarian as his running mate.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:58
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I recognize that they're friendly, but would Warren even want to be VP? Seems like she'd have more power to push her agenda in the Senate than there.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:00
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Warren is really wasted as VP; she's got way more to offer than going to funerals and tie-breaking the Senate. TBH she really ought to be Senate Majority Leader.Mantis42 posted:This primary is gonna be a mirror of the 2012 GOP primary, isn't it? Just the liberals trying on every flavor of the month non Bernie candidate only for them to burn out after a month or so, like the right did with Romney. I think the better comparison is the 2016 GOP primary, with Bernie in the Trump role (polarizing outsider). The question is if he'll get the same breaks Trump did (other candidates focusing on each other, DNC not treating him as a threat) or if there'll be more of a consolidated push against him. Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 05:00
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Arkhams Razor posted:I recognize that they're friendly, but would Warren even want to be VP? Seems like she'd have more power to push her agenda in the Senate than there. But she would be president of the senate  I thought this was funny https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1089372228091813888 https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1089373416740798464 Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 05:02
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Gillibrand is the optimal choice for Bernie VP for the simple reason that it opens up New York's Senator seat for Ocasio Cortez to swoop into
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Jan 27, 2019 05:03
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I maintain that a Bloomberg/Schultz run benefits whoever the Dem nominee is because the only votes they'll get are NeverTrump Republicans.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:06
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420 Gank Mid posted:Gillibrand is the optimal choice for Bernie VP for the simple reason that it opens up New York's Senator seat for Ocasio Cortez to swoop into AOC needs to primary Schumer though. 
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Jan 27, 2019 05:08
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Z. Autobahn posted:Warren is really wasted as VP; she's got way more to offer than going to funerals and tie-breaking the Senate. TBH she really ought to be Senate Majority Leader. Theres nothing to stop Bernie from making the VP position more powerful than normal.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:14
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theblackw0lf posted:Theres nothing to stop Bernie from making the VP position more powerful than normal. I mean, sure, but why would he need here there when he himself is strong on policy? She's way more valuable coralling the Senate.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:15
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The whole 'racist, sexist Berniebros' thing seems like massive projection, not just because of all the wealthy white male pundits finding new ways to dismiss women and Bernie supporters of colour, but, well, donut twitter. also because y'know clinton's entire 2008 campaign
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Jan 27, 2019 05:15
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The Muppets On PCP posted:also because y'know clinton's entire 2008 campaign Not enough people know that Clinton tried to do the same "Bernie Bro" smear on Obama supporters, calling them "Obama Boys".
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Jan 27, 2019 05:17
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Gripweed posted:Not enough people know that Clinton tried to do the same "Bernie Bro" smear on Obama supporters, calling them "Obama Boys". i was thinking more the whole being the candidate of white grievance, but yeah that too
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Jan 27, 2019 05:19
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
I'm really surprised you hadn't heard about it. A lot of liberals 'support' women of colour right up until the very moment a woman of colour doesn't happily follow the neoliberal line, and then holy poo poo. AOC's been less affected by this mostly by having mad twitter game and not taking any of their bullshit, but it's going to get fun when she endorses Bernie. The neoliberal strain of white grievance has rebuilt itself around appropriating the struggles of minority groups for its own, and making sure to silence minorities that don't go along with it or want actual action.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:23
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm really surprised you hadn't heard about it. A lot of liberals 'support' women of colour right up until the very moment a woman of colour doesn't happily follow the neoliberal line, and then holy poo poo. AOC's been less affected by this mostly by having mad twitter game and not taking any of their bullshit, but it's going to get fun when she endorses Bernie. I wasn't aware of Nina until after the election pretty much. I can't wait for AOC to endorse Bernie.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:41
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Bernie will clear the field pretty hard. Gonna own.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:50
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Nonsense posted:Bernie will clear the field pretty hard. Gonna own. I'm not convinced he will clear the field early. I expect a full blown clown car poo poo show.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:53
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'm not convinced he will clear the field early. I expect a full blown clown car poo poo show. Same. I expect a pretty strong race between him and Harris. I really think it’ll come down to one of the two.
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Z. Autobahn posted:I mean, sure, but why would he need here there when he himself is strong on policy? She's way more valuable coralling the Senate. Current Senate leadership is Schumer, Durbin & Murray. It's hugely based on seniority. Joe Manchin has more seniority than Warren. All the more reason Warren's valuable there, I guess, but I think she could be of more use in a Sanders administration. I'd love to see her as Secretary of the Treasury, e.g. And not all veeps are reduced to swearings-in while neck-grazing family members and cautioning 12 yr olds that they can't date until they're 30. eta: When I looked up the dem senate leadership (I couldn't remember Murray) I found out that Manchin's position is Vice Chairman of Policy and Communications Committee, lol.
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