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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Nebakenezzer posted:

One union leader sees total air traffic shutdown happening soon, and wants a general strike

Which frankly seems reasonable at this point, and...has America ever had a general strike?
As a filthy eurogoon let me tell you I just don’t understand how anyone not getting paid wasn’t on strike week 1 of the shutdown.

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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

evil_bunnY posted:

As a filthy eurogoon let me tell you I just don’t understand how anyone not getting paid wasn’t on strike week 1 of the shutdown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#August_1981_strike

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Nebakenezzer posted:

One union leader sees total air traffic shutdown happening soon, and wants a general strike

Which frankly seems reasonable at this point, and...has America ever had a general strike?

Yeah, I'm guessing no:

https://www.politico.com/story/2008/08/reagan-fires-11-000-striking-air-traffic-controllers-aug-5-1981-012292

Edit. :lol: beaten like a thjng that gets beaten a lot.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

evil_bunnY posted:

As a filthy eurogoon let me tell you I just don’t understand how anyone not getting paid wasn’t on strike week 1 of the shutdown.

"The commerce which has presided over the birth and education of these states has already fit her inhabitants for the chain, and the only condition they sincerely desire is that it be a golden one."

Alexander Hamilton knew the score as early as 1779

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So people are going nuts about Trump 'caving'

So maybe a general strike and the shutdown of American commercial airspace *won't* be needed

for now

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Get your very own F-111 crew capsule here.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



The museum I cut my teeth at as an aviation historian in high school has an F-111A simulator it's currently restoring. Looks exactly like that, but with full motion hydraulics and whatnot. It's also simulates a nuclear-capable vark, which from what I understand is one-of-a-kind in 2019.


I've sat in it, it's very cool.

Thank you for coming along for my F-111 story

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Spaced God posted:

The museum I cut my teeth at as an aviation historian in high school has an F-111A simulator it's currently restoring. Looks exactly like that, but with full motion hydraulics and whatnot. It's also simulates a nuclear-capable vark, which from what I understand is one-of-a-kind in 2019.

I've sat in it, it's very cool.

Thank you for coming along for my F-111 story

Okay, I'd honestly pay money for some time in that. Which museum?

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



BIG HEADLINE posted:

Okay, I'd honestly pay money for some time in that. Which museum?

NJAHOF. Unfortunately I think for actual legit security clearance reasons they can't get it operational but it'll be a display piece.

They also have the last Martin 202 and the front half of a TWA paint pre production Convair 880 flown by Hughes (s/n 3)

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Spaced God posted:

NJAHOF. Unfortunately I think for actual legit security clearance reasons they can't get it operational but it'll be a display piece.

They also have the last Martin 202 and the front half of a TWA paint pre production Convair 880 flown by Hughes (s/n 3)

Simple enough, just weld a panel over the PAL and have someone engrave a plaque saying "Please don't touch this or we'll all go to jail."

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


bobfather posted:

Bob, Tom, Joe, Sal, Liz, Amy, and Ed the flight controller all called in "sick" because they aren’t being paid.

Oh don't misunderstand me, I don't doubt that is the case here, but ground stops happen all the loving time in LGA, so today it's that, and once people get paid and go back to work, it'll be something else the next day. Pointing to the ground stop as evidence that the shutdown is causing the sky to fall ignores the fact that the sky falls all the drat time, just this time it happens to be because of the shutdown.
Now, what's really going to make me look up, is when all the diverts caused by the stop can't land at their alternates because there's no staff there either. That's when things really have gone to poo poo.
Not that they aren't presently poo poo, it's just still regular poo poo level.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Simple enough, just weld a panel over the PAL and have someone engrave a plaque saying "Please don't touch this or we'll all go to jail."

That’s the best way to get someone to touch it.

Instead put a sign saying “press here for docent assistance”.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



BIG HEADLINE posted:

Simple enough, just weld a panel over the PAL and have someone engrave a plaque saying "Please don't touch this or we'll all go to jail."

I posted about it a year ago but DoD got mad at all museums who they loaned pieces to and wanted them to hard weld every door and compartment shut so people couldn't get in them (they allegedly even included "you must modify civil war cannons to make sure the breach can never ever be opened" which sucks), so if that sim wasn't privately owned I imagine we'd have DoD suits all over the museum if they knew it was PAL capable :v:


edit: enough talking about me and my work i get shy instead WHAT THE gently caress :stonk:
https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1089271495015235584

Spaced God fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jan 27, 2019

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Spaced God posted:

edit: enough talking about me and my work i get shy instead WHAT THE gently caress :stonk:
https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1089271495015235584

This video is excellent evidence supporting the official findings on TWA800 where they claimed the remaining fuel silage performed a rapid climb after the nose section detached.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Spaced God posted:

I posted about it a year ago but DoD got mad at all museums who they loaned pieces to and wanted them to hard weld every door and compartment shut so people couldn't get in them (they allegedly even included "you must modify civil war cannons to make sure the breach can never ever be opened" which sucks), so if that sim wasn't privately owned I imagine we'd have DoD suits all over the museum if they knew it was PAL capable :v:

At least as of a couple years ago, the USS Midway museum was letting people inside some of the aircraft on Memorial Day weekend when they bring in retirees to tell people about the planes they flew. Some of my buddies and I had an inter-generational meeting with the Hawkeye guys, and I got a sweet picture of the retro CIC inside.



They pulled out all of the crypto gear and filled in the spaces with random spare panels (there are like four identical HF radio control panels), but I think it conveys the general feeling very accurately to the layman.

Wingnut Ninja fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jan 27, 2019

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Lazy self-quote.

mlmp08 posted:

This is stating the obvious, but that bird came in hot/steep.

Regular landing approach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-osnXmmAlo&t=44s

Death approach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHMSSU_XyxU&t=70s

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Wingnut Ninja posted:

At least as of a couple years ago, the USS Midway museum was letting people inside some of the aircraft on Memorial Day weekend when they bring in retirees to tell people about the planes they flew. Some of my buddies and I had an inter-generational meeting with the Hawkeye guys, and I got a sweet picture of the retro CIC inside.



They pulled out all of the crypto gear and filled in the spaces with random spare panels (there are like four identical HF radio control panels), but I think it conveys the general feeling very accurately to the layman.

The memo from the DoD came down in I think late spring '18, and while we "soft-welded" a couple panels (there's no way we were going to loving weld 1/8th inch aviation grade aluminum) and don't let people in our OV-1, HH-52, and Cobra anymore, a ton of other museums just said "lol gently caress you" because there was no real reasoning or threat associated with it, and a ton more are fighting the DoD because why the gently caress would you need to seal off already de-milled poo poo?

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Spaced God posted:

edit: enough talking about me and my work i get shy instead WHAT THE gently caress :stonk:
https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1089271495015235584

Well, that backfired spectacularly.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

PainterofCrap posted:

Well, that backfired spectacularly.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

PainterofCrap posted:

Well, that backfired spectacularly.

I was just cruising along reading things and then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwd8N6K-sLk

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

On the subject of hard landings, I saw this for the first time tonight which feels like a personal failure on my part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eamnTyfkUBY

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

PainterofCrap posted:

Well, that backfired spectacularly.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Dutch people working on a ring-wing aircraft concept, with the worst shoehorning of an acronym I've ever seen: "Prandtlplane ARchitecture for the Sustainable Improvement of Future AirpLanes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W521IT6PcM

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Cat Mattress posted:

Dutch people working on a ring-wing aircraft concept, with the worst shoehorning of an acronym I've ever seen: "Prandtlplane ARchitecture for the Sustainable Improvement of Future AirpLanes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W521IT6PcM

That video carefully avoids the obvious question of "what benefit does that wing configuration provide?"

What's the advantage?

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Less wingtip vortex drag and shorter wingspans, I guess if anybody wants to one-up the A380 without having to redesign gates again

Switzerland
Feb 18, 2005
Do what thou must do.

PT6A posted:

That video carefully avoids the obvious question of "what benefit does that wing configuration provide?"

What's the advantage?



INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
So are biplanes coming back?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Needs to take off vertically like those Luft 46 designs.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


shame on an IGA posted:

Less wingtip vortex drag and shorter wingspans, I guess if anybody wants to one-up the A380 without having to redesign gates again

Good news! We solved our 3% efficiency losses from wingtip vortices!

But professor, what about the extra weight? What about drag from the entire extra wing structure?

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

Finger Prince posted:

Good news! We solved our 3% efficiency losses from wingtip vortices!

But professor, what about the extra weight? What about drag from the entire extra wing structure?

50% more wing, 50% more passengers!

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
Hallo, and welcome to the hoo-draulic press channel...

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Cat Mattress posted:

Dutch people working on a ring-wing aircraft concept, with the worst shoehorning of an acronym I've ever seen: "Prandtlplane ARchitecture for the Sustainable Improvement of Future AirpLanes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W521IT6PcM

If you want a name that badly just call it that instead of randomly capitalizing letters like you're a crazy person outside a courthouse.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
More wings = better than

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


vessbot posted:

Hallo, and welcome to the hoo-draulic press channel...

This airplane has an extra wing for some stupid reason, and for that reason it is very dangerous, so vee must deal with it.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Simple enough, just weld a panel over the PAL and have someone engrave a plaque saying "Please don’t comment that’s the same combination I have on my luggage or we'll all go to jail."

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

Finger Prince posted:

This airplane has an extra wing for some stupid reason, and for that reason it is very dangerous, so vee must deal with it.

:hf:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I had to look up what y'all were talking about and now, inexplicably, it's quite a bit later than it was when I started.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Don't worry, you're among friends here. We understand.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


FBS posted:

On the subject of hard landings, I saw this for the first time tonight which feels like a personal failure on my part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eamnTyfkUBY

That was amazing haha

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MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

Fender Anarchist posted:

Don't worry, you're among friends here. We understand.

They've got another channel. They've been blowing a lot of stuff up recently.

here, have some sheep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW1zbS1fWVs&t=535s

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