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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Suppose you got to vote on faces for a European Mt. Rushmore. Four portraits somewhere photogenic in the Alps. This guy, four times over, just to watch HEY GUNS' reaction.  
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Jan 27, 2019 12:01
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Does it have to be people now? I say we got crazy and pick several famous animals that died in war.
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Jan 27, 2019 12:47
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SeanBeansShako posted:Does it have to be people now? I say we got crazy and pick several famous animals that died in war. Cher Ami has to be on it. I want to see Wojtek there. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 13:04
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Four Erich Honeckers in different hats
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Jan 27, 2019 13:12
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Alternative option, lets just pick a hat from every era of warfare and call it a day.
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Jan 27, 2019 13:12
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Today, the 27th of January, marks the 75th anniversary of the lifting of the siege of Leningrad. I'm sure we all know the story. To honor the date, there was a parade.    To start with, there were some cadets in period uniforms. I can only imagine how cold they must've been, as it was minus 15 and even I was feeling the cold with all my layers. Good boots are super important!    Obligatory vehicle section of the parade, quite a variety of stuff was on show.  One amusing moment was when afterwards I was walking away from the event, and saw a guy in a tourist ushanka, which had the imperial eagle badge on it, while I was wearing mine with the soviet badge. Brief stare-down ensured
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Jan 27, 2019 15:29
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AlexanderCA posted:van Creveld is also one of those nutters arguing for nuclear attack on uninvolved states in the event Israel is overrun. Which other nutters interpret as such a policy actually existing (it doesn't). Thus more fuel for the anti-semitic fire in the form of this "sampson-option" nonsense. I’ve seen the “Sampson Option” rumor mostly among people who are convinced that any nuclear exchange will be instant destruction of the world because they think everyone will do that. Or they’ll think other nations will take advantage of the chaos to settle their grudges, like in a nuclear exchange between the US and North Korea you’ll suddenly get India turning around and nuking Pakistan just because.
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Jan 27, 2019 15:45
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Suppose you got to vote on faces for a European Mt. Rushmore. Four portraits somewhere photogenic in the Alps. 4 Joseph Pujols.
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Jan 27, 2019 15:49
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SeanBeansShako posted:Does it have to be people now? I say we got crazy and pick several famous animals that died in war. How about a monument with a bear driving a tank destroyer (My vote goes for the m-10 wolverine) against a pike formation, led by a gay, black hitler.
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Jan 27, 2019 15:52
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When's military history month???
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Jan 27, 2019 15:59
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HEY GUNS posted:alexander, basil II, charles v, dunno about the fourth Well, if we're going to talk about wider European relevance Basil arguably was mostly confined to the Balkans and Southern Italy, and his achievements were ephemeral, even the Bulgarians came back in the end. His activity in Rus was more diplomatic and cultural than anything. Also Justinian ruined Italy and is the most overrated Roman emperor in history. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 17:06
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SeanBeansShako posted:Alternative option, lets just pick a hat from every era of warfare and call it a day. Mountains shaped like Grenadier's Miters.
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Jan 27, 2019 17:34
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Mountains sculpted to look like piles of skulls.
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Jan 27, 2019 17:45
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Xerxes17 posted:One amusing moment was when afterwards I was walking away from the event, and saw a guy in a tourist ushanka, which had the imperial eagle badge on it, while I was wearing mine with the soviet badge. Brief stare-down ensured I walked past a guy wearing an SS hat once while wearing my Soviet ushanka, but I don't think he noticed.
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Jan 27, 2019 19:56
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:My choices start with Eugen of Savoy who looks a twink who got put through a leather tannery edit: i've seen his buff coat and mail jacket in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna and he was much shorter and narrower than I am. Dude was tiny HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 21:20
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:And I picked Churchill because of role he played in defeating the greatest negative vision of European unity, and because he understood that treaties are not just scraps of paper, but dire responsibilities. Whatever else you can accuse him of, he took the accord Britain signed with Poland and France more seriously than probably any other comparable British politician in 1939-40 would have.
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Jan 27, 2019 21:21
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I feel like Alexander is only European in retrospect thanks to the Greco-Roman legacy. Augustus, on the other hand. A very romantic Churchill It wasn't even Churchill who got us into the war though and he barely outlasted it. ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 21:30
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I feel like Alexander is only European in retrospect thanks to the Greco-Roman legacy. Augustus, on the other hand. i liked your point about positive versions of unity (treaties) vs negative (slavery and murder) alexander is Western enough and, hot take, so is the Ottoman Empire
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Jan 27, 2019 21:35
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:It wasn't even Churchill who got us into the war
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Jan 27, 2019 21:36
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Neville Chamberlain all frowning in a dark corner of the thread
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Jan 27, 2019 21:37
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Neville Chamberlain all frowning in a dark corner of the thread like the awful graphics that go with this article, his face is peeking out of the thread https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-5-key-constituencies-of-the-2020-democratic-primary/
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Jan 27, 2019 21:38
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HEY GUNS posted:since i started dating a Brit I've noticed how all non-Brits have a skewed and unfair view of Chamberlain He was a weird patrician rear end in a top hat but he basically did the right thing, trying to get peace while frantically rearming the whole time.
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Jan 27, 2019 21:38
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Basically that fat wrinkly baby Churchill was good for speeching and nothing else. This is my academic historical position as a professor of history E: he was also good at supporting the wine and distilling industries
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Jan 27, 2019 21:39
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:He was a weird patrician rear end in a top hat but he basically did the right thing, trying to get peace while frantically rearming the whole time. and don't hate on weird patrician assholes
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Jan 27, 2019 21:40
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HEY GUNS posted:yeah exactly, but americans only remember the peace part It's kind of one of my things, sorry
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Jan 27, 2019 21:40
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:It's kind of one of my things, sorry
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Jan 27, 2019 21:41
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HEY GUNS posted:as a weird patrician rear end in a top hat, i *posh braying*
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Jan 27, 2019 21:42
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:E: he was also good at supporting the wine and distilling industries
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Jan 27, 2019 21:42
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HEY GUNS posted:churchill drinking with his russian counterparts is one of my favorite ww2 subplots I like the image of Churchill matching Stalin drink for drink, slamming down spirits while Joe sips his tiny glasses of Georgian wine
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Jan 27, 2019 21:45
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I like the image of Churchill matching Stalin drink for drink, slamming down spirits while Joe sips his tiny glasses of Georgian wine
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Jan 27, 2019 21:48
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Some poor sods want to throw away their money by paying me to write a book. Has anyone here done that before? Creative Convention only has a fiction megathread. I assume most of the advice still applies, but is there a good nonfiction resource?
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Jan 27, 2019 21:51
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Churchill suddenly getting angry over Stalin's joke about shooting a bunch of German officers. You wanted to put anthrax in the German food supply you big baby, lighten up
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Jan 27, 2019 21:52
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Ensign Expendable posted:Some poor sods want to throw away their money by paying me to write a book. Has anyone here done that before? Creative Convention only has a fiction megathread. I assume most of the advice still applies, but is there a good nonfiction resource? No advice, but I will buy the everloving poo poo out of your book.
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Jan 27, 2019 21:56
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I feel like Alexander is only European in retrospect thanks to the Greco-Roman legacy. I can understand this claim if directed at his empire but how do you justify this about the man?
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Jan 27, 2019 21:57
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i feel like alexander was part of some kind of eastern Mediterranean ecumene that preceded the intellectual construct we consider to be Europe but he did get born where Europe is on a modern map and he was a good war man. if that gets him on the mountain im chill w it edit: admittedly it was called europa on herodotus' map too. that makes me look dumb! still, imho, people's conception of europe that long ago doesn't really connect with the europe of the mountain mostly because the europe of herodotus is very much part of a triad focused on a central region, not a central region considered as separate from two bordering regions called africa and asia  build the mountain oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 27, 2019 21:59
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Alexander should be on the mountain but for good heroic drinking, not being a good war man.
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Jan 27, 2019 22:01
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Alexander should be on the mountain but for good heroic drinking, not being a good war man.
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Jan 27, 2019 22:02
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HEY GUNS posted:great milhist drinkers of history: alexander, churchill, gallas, who's the fourth socrates
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HEY GUNS posted:yeah exactly, but americans only remember the peace part They really aren't making it easy enough not to.
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