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Venom Snake posted:Do you know why they decided to make the rebels as bad as the literal slave owners at the last second? Yeah like Discendo Vox is saying Ken is a great example of a game designer who saw success and it created a huge ego. Dude was a failed film writer, wanted to work in film, never really got his work accepted by a film studio, then goes into games and his first big title is a success. As an artist this naturally vindicates everything you have ever done and means that anything you touch will turn into gold. On Bioshock Infinite he was leading a studio as the owner, the creative director, and the lead producer. He was making the game he wanted and could change anything at a moments notice. We had his narrative team flowchart their process on the whiteboard once and we had to ERASE THE WHITEBOARD TWICE because it was so complex mostly due to Ken being able to step in at any moment. I could go on and on, but imagine having a lovely boss with an ego who's telling everyone what to do and not giving you any control. Despite this you have to ship a game. That was the process behind that game and one of the reasons the studio imploded as soon as that game was done. Honestly we couldn't really touch the script much except for making suggestions to make it coherent. It went through a lot of revisions, like most scripts do, and in the end Ken's vision was that everybody should be bad. Or something. Some fun facts about Ken. He later tried writing a Bioshock movie script and sending it to Hollywood. When we read it at the publisher somebody was like "holy poo poo this is a carbon copy of the old superman script" and after we dug into it, yep, it was basically an old superman story contorted and edited into something bioschock flavored. Naturally it never got anywhere. He also would frequently go to the local gamestop near the studio where he was a local celebrity. One of the young ladies working the counter, I think she was barely 20, he was obviously keen on. During BSI he hired her as his 'assistant producer'. No experience, no qualifications, you can probably read between the lines. This is the guy behind Elizabeth. Don't work in games
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BULBASAUR posted:sorry for the derail I just get carried away telling war stories don't be these posts are why i still come to #somethingawfu.coml in 2019.
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Some Guy TT posted:more on producing a better quality of thread the op for best games of 2018 was a generally good read with a good summary of how lots of studios went woke only to hilariously have it be revealed that they were gaslighting shitheads to their female employees but then inexplicably describes far cry as a missed opportunity to call trump bad and then unironically praises ea for emphasizing minority and women active combat personnel in battlefield people are so very very close to realizing that the entire apparatus for producing our mindless media is hosed and that woke branding is a thinly veiled means of trying to disguise these systemic flaws but they always pull back because they dont want to acknowledge the problem is more complicated than kicking out a few token racists Someone call an ambulance, I this guys having a stroke
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There really are a lot of cases of authors and entire artistic trends being mistaken for woke when they actually just pander to a different, even skeevier array of fetishes that don't also happen to be played out cliches yet. hilariously it's the only stable them in infinite, while everything else seems like a scattershot take on race and class and gender. oh people are exploited and rise up but it turns out they're the real tyrants too, oh the racists worship john wilkes boothe in their temple but are fine with working with a woman scientist that develops all this doomsday tech because she meets her parallel universe brother. the gently caress edit: oh drat my take got addressed a few posts up. Please don't stop posting Bulbasaur
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BULBASAUR posted:sorry for the derail I just get carried away telling war stories nah this is great. threads already derailed pretty far from posting about securitas tweeting mlk quotes or something but everyone seems cool with it
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BULBASAUR posted:sorry for the derail I just get carried away telling war stories no those are good stories because we all know those guys are creeps but game dev employees are so insanely tight-lipped and fearful about everything that you never get to hear confirmation
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Breakfast All Day posted:nah this is great. threads already derailed pretty far from posting about securitas tweeting mlk quotes or something but everyone seems cool with it oh hey that reminds me were coming up on the one year anniversary of this classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVz1xa7S4Q4 i want a version where the football players are kneeling instead of praying
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Some Guy TT posted:oh hey that reminds me were coming up on the one year anniversary of this classic This ad having only a half-second glimpse of one actual black person is bad, but let's not forget the all-time champ in tone-deafness, "that time GE ran a pro-coal ad using Sixteen Tons" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6ueDHn2HTk
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Discendo Vox posted:The main director behind the bioshock series, Ken Levine, is uh not great. Elizabeth still wound up sexualized, as did the daughter in 2. They really wanted both sides of the daughterwifebsexual threat dynamic. It’s hella creepy, in strong contrast to e.g. Dishonoured. Even then, though, there was a whole period of Daughterwives in symbolic sexual peril in games. levine said that he didn't intend bioshock to be a commentary on objectivism lol
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BULBASAUR posted:Yeah like Discendo Vox is saying Ken is a great example of a game designer who saw success and it created a huge ego. Dude was a failed film writer, wanted to work in film, never really got his work accepted by a film studio, then goes into games and his first big title is a success. As an artist this naturally vindicates everything you have ever done and means that anything you touch will turn into gold. On Bioshock Infinite he was leading a studio as the owner, the creative director, and the lead producer. He was making the game he wanted and could change anything at a moments notice. We had his narrative team flowchart their process on the whiteboard once and we had to ERASE THE WHITEBOARD TWICE because it was so complex mostly due to Ken being able to step in at any moment. I could go on and on, but imagine having a lovely boss with an ego who's telling everyone what to do and not giving you any control. Despite this you have to ship a game. That was the process behind that game and one of the reasons the studio imploded as soon as that game was done. lmao holy poo poo thank you
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BULBASAUR posted:Yeah like Discendo Vox is saying Ken is a great example of a game designer who saw success and it created a huge ego. Dude was a failed film writer, wanted to work in film, never really got his work accepted by a film studio, then goes into games and his first big title is a success. As an artist this naturally vindicates everything you have ever done and means that anything you touch will turn into gold. On Bioshock Infinite he was leading a studio as the owner, the creative director, and the lead producer. He was making the game he wanted and could change anything at a moments notice. We had his narrative team flowchart their process on the whiteboard once and we had to ERASE THE WHITEBOARD TWICE because it was so complex mostly due to Ken being able to step in at any moment. I could go on and on, but imagine having a lovely boss with an ego who's telling everyone what to do and not giving you any control. Despite this you have to ship a game. That was the process behind that game and one of the reasons the studio imploded as soon as that game was done. Farm Frenzy posted:lmao holy poo poo thank you Ditto. This is awesome. I wonder if Levine will go down the Croberts path in the future and try to crowdfund a Bioshock Citizen scam...
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The book that cured me of any dreams of working in videogames or other creative industries. Christ you really have to have negative self-respect to last long enough to start a career
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Easy Diff posted:This ad having only a half-second glimpse of one actual black person is bad, but let's not forget the all-time champ in tone-deafness, "that time GE ran a pro-coal ad using Sixteen Tons" i never knew coal mining could be so sexy Farm Frenzy posted:levine said that he didn't intend bioshock to be a commentary on objectivism lol so did brad bird i think its really more a case of he doesnt want to be known as an objectivist socially lucky for him the word of the creator is considered more important in media interpretation than the text and subtext because criticism these days is atrocious
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I've never played Bioshock, but wasn't it a critique of objectivism rather than an endorsement? Though I believe the non-objectivist characters were also bad for some reason, so it seems the "drool, both sides bad" line runs deep through the Bioshock franchise.
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steinrokkan posted:I've never played Bioshock, but wasn't it a critique of objectivism rather than an endorsement? Though I believe the non-objectivist characters were also bad for some reason, so it seems the "drool, both sides bad" line runs deep through the Bioshock franchise. i mean, the whole premise is 'hey if galt's gulch happened it would turn to poo poo' so yeah i don't really see a way to coherently read the og bioshock as pro-objectivism
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Levine’s stated something to the effect that rapture would have survived if Andrew Ryan maintained his ideology and not become a statist or whatever
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why did anyone feel the need to get these two casts together for a photo op are they planning a crossover
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Some Guy TT posted:why did anyone feel the need to get these two casts together for a photo op are they planning a crossover Crazy Rich Panthers
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Levine’s stated something to the effect that rapture would have survived if Andrew Ryan maintained his ideology and not become a statist or whatever
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he didn’t use ‘statist’ himself but deffo he was saying that exerting any sort of governance or regulation at all led to the collapse
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Dr. Killjoy posted:he didn’t use ‘statist’ himself but deffo he was saying that exerting any sort of governance or regulation at all led to the collapse well if i'm remembering right what's his name the big crime guy got his start smuggling in bible and rosaries and other religious paraphernalia because that stuff was forbidden on rapture and from there it escalated to weapons and drugs and like, i guess that could be read as a 'regulations bad' deal but i'd always read it as poking holes in the right-out-of-rand-books concept of all these ubermensch geniuses being perfectly logical beings able to quickly discard all their old attachments to the cultures they spent all their lives in
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Levine’s stated something to the effect that rapture would have survived if Andrew Ryan maintained his ideology and not become a statist or whatever lmao what the only way this would make sense is if ryan had decided to roll over and let the other capitalist whose thing was that he was exactly like ryan except more ruthless because he wasnt insane enough to dress up his socipathy as good take the place over which would be admitting that his ideology was wronng
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why is it that only superhero movies inspire this level of zen devotion and not like david lynch
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Taintrunner posted:this dude is the worst movie reviewer on YouTube The video where he called Joker the hero of Dark Knight is the dumbest take ever. Dr. Killjoy posted:Levine’s stated something to the effect that rapture would have survived if Andrew Ryan maintained his ideology and not become a statist or whatever I thought Rapture being a wreck was the natural result of Ryan's ideology.
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Some Guy TT posted:why is it that only superhero movies inspire this level of zen devotion and not like david lynch People expect you to have some level of competency when talking about David Lynch. You don't even need to know anything about the superheroes themselves to have a "deep understanding" about superhero movies.
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I don't know who that guy is or if he's referring to something in particular, but it seems like most "plot holes" nowadays are things that actually were explained but the viewer wasn't paying attention or things that are deliberately ambiguous or open to interpretation. Like I see some of these complaints about plot holes or whatever in comic book movies and like half of them are explained by reading the drat wikipedia synopsis.
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the superhero movies are going to have plot holes because they choreograph and film all the action scenes and everything that needs years of computer graphics before the script is even finalized and the writers have to write around them no matter how little sense they make
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plot holes are a popular thing to attack because theyre considered technical errors so you can criticize them while still holding the pretense that you like the movie as a hole
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Some Guy TT posted:plot holes are a popular thing to attack because theyre considered technical errors so you can criticize them while still holding the pretense that you like the movie as a hole alternatively they're a popular thing to attack because they're considered technical errors so you can push the movie as Objectively Bad and not just something that you personally didn't dig
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You loving nerds, I don't even remember any of the plot to Holes. I just remember Shia was in it.
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