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Chuck Boone is a quality poster that puts up with the tankies much better then I could. Also provides a ton of quality content.
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I approve of Chuck.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:07
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Chuck for IK of the Venezuela thread! May his rule be wise and constitutional, like Guaido's.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:10
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fishmech posted:Cuba underwent far greater US pressure for over 50 years and never degenerated into the mess Venezuela is now. But of course, Cuba is run by people with interest in running socialism instead of interest hauling an extra billion offshore for their kids' vacation houses. Also, Iran. fnox posted:Ultimately, I feel the same as Chuck, it's extremely disheartening to have committed so much effort updating this thread for years, trying to keep people informed in a country that was becoming more and more isolated due to media persecution...Only to have Americans come in and say "Actually CLAP is good and you're racist". If it makes you feel better there have been cases of people changing their tune due to your discussions. Such as me and other posters who I won't speak for.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:16
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Another Independent Voter for Chuck Boone.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:20
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Chuck Boone posted:Did I hear that right? "Jard Kushner's leading it?" And Bolsanaro possibly since Trump will be meeting with him.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:39
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Guaido just gave a quick press conference and made a couple of announcements. Two new protests: - Wednesday from 12:00-2:00 PM to once again persuade the army/civil servants to abandon the regime, and to demand that the army allow humanitarian aid into the country. Remember that the regime denies that there is a humanitarian crisis because it would be akin to admitting defeat. - Saturday, a "great mobilization" all across in Venezuela and in cities across the world in support of the EU ultimatum for Maduro to call elections this week. The ultimatum ends on Sunday. Guaido said that he was being cricitized for not calling for daily protests like the ones that we say in 2014 and 2017, and he made an interesting point. He pointed out that Venezuelans are "struggling" to eat every day. The two previous protest waves eventually lost steam because people were having to choose between going out to protest and putting food on their tables. Guaido also spoke a bit about this week's repression, and said that the FAES officers, the prosecutors and the judges who participated in "this savage repression" will not be eligible for the amnesty law. This is the first time that he's ruled people out, and comes after he said that the law would apply to "any official". Article 5 of the law says that civil and military courts will be in charge of going through amnesty requests on a case-by-case basis, but it sounds like these people wouldn't even get to that stage. Blue Nation posted:For whatever is worth I am very grateful for your posts Chuck Boone.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:44
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Chuck Boone posted:Maduro was at the Paramacay base in Carabobo state earlier today to look at some soldiers. These events are relatively common, but this one's taken on more meaning given the events of the last few days. The message of this was obviously to show that Maduro is still in command, that everything is fine, and that the army still loves him. Also because Paramacay already had a reputation here in Valencia of getting a bit mutinous among the lower ranks these last few months, so Maduro came along with Diosdado and Lacava under the guise of some spontaneous surprise drills to exert some pressure on the base's staff in order to not have it as the first one to rebel once the shoe drops... Also, I want to put some more emphasis in this stunt being advertised as a "Surprise Drill": they actually came and did the whole act an hour earlier than what it was broadcasted "live" so they could get away on their helicopter trip to Puerto Cabello and no sign of the the folks that naturally came to protest in the base's perimeter appeared on National Television.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:48
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AstraSage posted:Also because Paramacay already had a reputation here in Valencia of getting a bit mutinous among the lower ranks these last few months, so Maduro came along with Diosdado and Lacava under the guise of some spontaneous surprise drills to exert some pressure on the base's staff in order to not have it as the first one to rebel once the shoe drops... It's suprising how uniformly negative the comments on that video are. Surely there must still be some Maduro supporters out there? Where are the Venezuelans who back the President?
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Jan 28, 2019 02:59
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Regime's kicking it up a notch: https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1089635288614359041 Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and Facebook "inaccessible" during Guaido's address earlier tonight: https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1089705269716750336 EDIT: Ha! Love the title. Thank you.
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Jan 28, 2019 03:31
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Caps lock is a chinazi so ignore his anti usa propaganda. Whoever donated 1000 to venezuela is a loving champion that will feed thousands of people we need to keep people alive until the real help comes Like another poster said 5 bux to a venezuelan cause can save people. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 28, 2019 04:23
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Chuck Boone posted:Regime's kicking it up a notch: so is maduro gonna try to crush dissent now? because if he is blocking online communication/telecoms that seems pretty bad.
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Jan 28, 2019 04:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so is maduro gonna try to crush dissent now? because if he is blocking online communication/telecoms that seems pretty bad. The government does it every once in a while, usually during or around big events. During the 2014 protests, they shut off access to a lot of twitter and Zello, and there was a bunch of throttling around the Constituent Assembly elections. After the 2017 executive order, CANTV blocked access to Facebook, Youtube, Instagram, and so on. El Nacional's webpage gets blocked a lot. So it could mean something, or it could just be Maduro being Maduro.
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Jan 28, 2019 04:43
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420 Gank Mid posted:Yeah, that thing the US has stated as an explicit goal in Venezuela and in dozens of other countries they dont like the local governments is a meaningless buzzword and doesn't really exist. Nailed it in one buck. Yes it's a meaningless buzzword, especially when people here seem to think taking a yacht from some failson Venezuelan rich kid is regime change. I'm noticing that you too can't seem to bring up anything actually done, besides complaints about the aforementioned theft stoppage.
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Jan 28, 2019 05:08
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Chuck Boone posted:Regime's kicking it up a notch: This is clearly propaganda as other nations are purposefully cutting the internet cords to Venezuela to make it merely LOOK like Maduro is withholding information from his people.
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Jan 28, 2019 05:23
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punk rebel ecks posted:This is clearly propaganda as other nations are purposefully cutting the internet cords to Venezuela to make it merely LOOK like Maduro is withholding information from his people. IT MUST be US subs cutting the under sea cables to venezuela
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Jan 28, 2019 05:26
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AGGGGH BEES posted:https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article225123050.html Thank you for reminding me that this exists. It makes the thread easier to read when trying to stay up to date with the latest events. I mean, I do get a kick of watching or reading about the "CHAW-Bess! *raises fist*" crowd sometimes but come on, these days they look like coming out of the woodwork.
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Jan 28, 2019 06:42
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fishmech posted:Yes it's a meaningless buzzword, especially when people here seem to think taking a yacht from some failson Venezuelan rich kid is regime change. I'm noticing that you too can't seem to bring up anything actually done, besides complaints about the aforementioned theft stoppage. Dude, I do think that Maduro needs to be gone double quick but whatever plan is being cooked up by Bolton, Abrams et al is not likely to be subtle and even less likely to be clean. I would differentiate between the sanctions and confiscation of gold wandering off into Russian vaults that happened in the past and what might be coming down the pipe. Oddly enough Trump might be the most likely guy to put a kibosh to any aggressive intervention once he gets out of his dementia addled haze and somehow catches on to the fact B&A are planning something expensive involving foreigners. I just want to add that I have also been following this thread on and off for years and tankie tourists aside it has really helped keep me informed about this crisis which has had very little coverage when not spotlighted by the US sticking its big fat oar in.
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Munin posted:Dude, I do think that Maduro needs to be gone double quick but whatever plan is being cooked up by Bolton, Abrams et al is not likely to be subtle and even less likely to be clean. I would differentiate between the sanctions and confiscation of gold wandering off into Russian vaults that happened in the past and what might be coming down the pipe. I agree with you on everything aside from Trump jumping at the opportunity to be a war president and rally up the "VENEZUELA FAILED STATE" demographic.
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freeasinbeer posted:Chuck Boone is a quality poster that puts up with the tankies much better then I could. Also provides a ton of quality content. Seconding this, I'm really appreciating the high quality and quantity of content and I'm happy to skip over or ignore the trolls to get to it. I'm sure there is a significant population of hidden lurkers that also appreciate it, so please don't let them get you down
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Jan 28, 2019 12:27
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Sulla Faex posted:Seconding this, I'm really appreciating the high quality and quantity of content and I'm happy to skip over or ignore the trolls to get to it. I'm sure there is a significant population of hidden lurkers that also appreciate it, so please don't let them get you down As a lurker, yes! CB is a huge plus to this thread - I’ve been lurking much more than usual and it’s genuinely changed how I see Venezuela outside of “just avoid callous tankies”.
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Jan 28, 2019 12:35
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Chuck as idiot king of this thread sounds fantastic to me.
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Jan 28, 2019 13:05
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"President of the Bolivarian Thread on Venezuela" possibly
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Jan 28, 2019 13:11
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Socks4Hands posted:I agree with you on everything aside from Trump jumping at the opportunity to be a war president and rally up the "VENEZUELA FAILED STATE" demographic. I genuinely think he doesn't have any appetite to be a war president. Military parades are one thing but he's generally ducked out of meeting the troops. Being a war president would also add more duties to his plate. He might have to do more speeches in foreign places on a windy damp tarmac and speak to more foreign leaders he doesn't like. He'd also be on the same side as the EU, who he despises, and on the opposite side to many autocrats he admires. He's much more happy raving about threats to the purity of America. Not a white supremacist echoing turn of the century KKK catchphrases, no siree. Anyway, I would pin more hopes on a change in the internal dynamics of Venezuela than on a, most likely terribly botched, intervention by the US.
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I definitely think this time a US backed regime change is going to work out well
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Munin posted:I genuinely think he doesn't have any appetite to be a war president. uhhhhh 2017: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/04/trump-suggested-invading-venezuela-report 2019: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-military-force-venezuela-reports-2019-1 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-warns-of-significant-response-if-maduro-harms-us-diplomats-opposition-leader-2019-01-27/
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Call me an optimist, but I don't think this thing is going to go as far as foreign boots landing in Venezuela to depose the government by force. The way I see it, there may be some people within the Maduro government who are really in it for ideological reasons, but most of them just toe the party line for a chance to steal as much as possible, and the military is just the same. Right now, the fat guys at the top are still backing Maduro publicly because they can afford to just wait and see a bit where the chips are going to land and playing their hand early is risky. However, if the PSUV's sources of funding from abroad get cut altogether, it's not going to be long before they turn sides. Support for those assholes is at such an all-time low, I don't think that situation would lead to some factions shooting at each other. Most of the country just wants a return to something that's even remotely close to normalcy and by now everyone's pretty clear on the fact that's not going to happen with these jackasses in charge.
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Yeah one would hope that but now that russian mercenaries already landed their boots there to defend maduro, i don't have much hope it's gonna be quite that simple. also, Vincent Van Goatse posted:I support the democratically-elected Chuck Boone regime. Truga fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jan 28, 2019 |
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Jan 28, 2019 13:50
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I support the democratically-elected Chuck Boone regime.
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Truga posted:Yeah one would hope that but now that russian mercenaries already landed their boots there to defend maduro, i don't have much hope it's gonna be quite that simple. Well, poo poo. I'd forgotten about those guys. Yeah, that's not gonna end well. Moving onto the Chuck topic. I'm pretty sure there's an article in the constitution that says he can assume interim leadership of the thread in the case of a power vacuum. I'm no constitutional scholar, but if we all agree to support him, I think we can pull this off.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I support the democratically-elected Chuck Boone regime.
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Jan 28, 2019 14:13
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Labradoodle posted:Call me an optimist, but I don't think this thing is going to go as far as foreign boots landing in Venezuela to depose the government by force. The way I see it, there may be some people within the Maduro government who are really in it for ideological reasons, but most of them just toe the party line for a chance to steal as much as possible, and the military is just the same. Right now, the fat guys at the top are still backing Maduro publicly because they can afford to just wait and see a bit where the chips are going to land and playing their hand early is risky. However, if the PSUV's sources of funding from abroad get cut altogether, it's not going to be long before they turn sides. On the other hand, so many of the people at the top seem to be involved in rackets like cocaine smuggling that they might figure they are screwed if there's ever a change in government. Anyone worried how a new government will handle extradition requests might stick with Maduro until the end. Of course, their subordinates might not be as stubborn and may try and may try and circumvent the more dedicated officers.
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Spacewolf posted:Didn't Chuck say he didn't want it already? Why not fnox then?
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Jan 28, 2019 16:11
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Furia posted:Why not fnox then? What if it was a group of Actual Venezuelans Or At Least People Who Lived There that held all the power, like say, some sort of oligarchy or cartel? That's what... like you, Blue Nation, Fnox, Vlex, and Chuck? Then we can see if the five of you start lording it over the rest of us, suppressing our voices and brutally crushing any dissent, until we yearn for the freedom of yonder-days with tankie idiots crashing in through the walls every time they see Venezuela show up while they're watching CNN?
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Returning to some news, yesterday Marco Rubio tweeted the US had handed over control of the Venezuelan government and central bank accounts over to Guaido's team, but I haven't seen any other reports on this yet. https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1089656112130019329 This seems like a pretty massive deal to me, assuming they moved significant amounts of money (if not most of it) through those accounts, isn't it?
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Saladman posted:What if it was a group of Actual Venezuelans Or At Least People Who Lived There that held all the power, like say, some sort of oligarchy or cartel? I love it that you are honest to god comparing minorities not listening to your uninformed opinions to an actual factual oppressive regime with fascist characteristics What do you republicans call this stupid bullshit? Freeze peach? Or are you more of the “white american males are actually the most oppressed” persuasion? Never not lol at out of touch tone deaf gringos shrieking into the void Furia fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 28, 2019 |
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Labradoodle posted:This seems like a pretty massive deal to me, assuming they moved significant amounts of money (if not most of it) through those accounts, isn't it? drat son. That ain't no small poo poo indeed.
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Furia posted:Why not fnox then? fnox is incredibly biased again any anti-coup arguments. If you really want this to be an argument free hugbox it’s probably better to split the thread into news and debate threads, or pro-US-coup/anti-US-coup
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