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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:As someone that was raised by a single mother working multiple jobs and at one point lived in a women's shelter Don't worry they'll just make it a crime to be poor or a single mom, boom problem solved
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am unsure. i think trump and the alt right types have burned out their welcome as of right now to put it nicely. they will get pushed underground for another decade or so to sleep and bitch like an ideological Pennywise. the GOP will probaly try a romney/kasich type again.
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Seph posted:It's a carrot and stick approach like she said in the video (which you probably didn't watch). The elementary school offers programs to help get kids into school. If the parent, despite all the programs, doesn't send their kid to school, then they get punished. I'd go a step further and say if they repeatedly let their third grader skip school then they should probably lose their rights as a parent all together. Kids deserve better than lovely deadbeat parents. Dude, gently caress you. You fault the people being crushed by this system for their struggles and your solution is adding tons of kids to a system that is already stressed to the breaking point in most cities and AT BEST is still worse than the "deficient" but nonetheless still loving home they had to begin with? What you're proposing here is "Hooray for the school-to-prison pipeline" because statistically, that's what happens to kids who disappear into "the system" as you propose.
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Shammypants posted:Hey remember when we thought the Tea Party was going to be a thing that didn't self destruct in 2018? The current brand of stupidity is even more fragile because it relies completly on Trump. to be fair the whole maga crowd is pretty much an overlapping circle with the tea party crowd
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Isn't there a primary thread for this poo poo? I know the future democratic candidate for president is important but it's always the same drive by posting to incite this discussion and the bait is always taken.
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Seph posted:It's a carrot and stick approach like she said in the video (which you probably didn't watch). The elementary school offers programs to help get kids into school. If the parent, despite all the programs, doesn't send their kid to school, then they get punished. I'd go a step further and say if they repeatedly let their third grader skip school then they should probably lose their rights as a parent all together. Kids deserve better than lovely deadbeat parents. I watched the video. Using the criminal justice system in this way is monstrous and authoritarian. Full stop. There is no acceptable justification for it ever, under any circumstances. If you are going to press charges then it better be because you intend to prosecute and convict, otherwise you are using your authority against someone that you fully acknowledge hasn't done anything to warrant it.
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Crow Jane posted:Do you think the foster care system is going to be better for those kids? The foster program certainly has its flaws, don't get me wrong, but I'd almost certainly say it's better than a homeless mother who isn't looking out for their child. The state should absolutely take every possible measure to help parents get their kids to school, but at some point responsibility has to fall onto the parent. If they are unable or unwilling to get their child to school I think they are unfit to be a parent in general.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Also what the gently caress is the idea of missing 3 days being classified as truant. that's loving stupid as hell. its 3 unexcused absences, as in the parent or guardian didnt call to take the student out of class that day and the student is skipping school
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pumpinglemma posted:The problem is there’s this thing called a primary, where Romney/Kasich types will have to persuade a party membership now composed almost entirely of screaming rabid fascists that actually, what they want is not the deaths of brown children, but tax cuts on the rich. The GOP needn’t worry, Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro are working hard on their Gen Z outreach strategies as we speak.
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VitalSigns posted:Don't worry they'll just make it a crime to be poor or a single mom, boom problem solved It already is in some ways. I can't tell you the amount of times my mom had to deal with stupid loving CPS bullshit and school administrators trying to be authoritarian dick swingers. Some schools are better than others, but gently caress anyone that wants to empower that meat grinder with actual criminal charges.
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I showed my (strongly leans D) girlfriend that Harris video and she got so mad at what a vicious piece of poo poo she sounded like I had to calm her down. How about NO SEX PIGS LAW PIGS OR WAR PIGS 2020 for a loving slogan, Democrats? Christ. She'd go Nazi in a loving heartbeat if it'd get her a cushier office. NO SEX PIGS LAW PIGS OR WAR PIGS 2020, you heard it here first folks.
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Seph posted:It's a carrot and stick approach like she said in the video (which you probably didn't watch). The elementary school offers programs to help get kids into school. If the parent, despite all the programs, doesn't send their kid to school, then they get punished. I'd go a step further and say if they repeatedly let their third grader skip school then they should probably lose their rights as a parent all together. Kids deserve better than lovely deadbeat parents. VH4Ever posted:Dude, gently caress you. You fault the people being crushed by this system for their struggles and your solution is adding tons of kids to a system that is already stressed to the breaking point in most cities and AT BEST is still worse than the "deficient" but nonetheless still loving home they had to begin with? 
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Seph posted:The foster program certainly has its flaws, don't get me wrong, but I'd almost certainly say it's better than a homeless mother who isn't looking out for their child. gently caress you Maybe instead of locking up people's parents for being homeless, we do something about the system that creates homelessness
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VitalSigns posted:Don't worry they'll just make it a crime to be poor or a single mom, boom problem solved No poors, no poverty! Harris 2020!
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Seph posted:On the other hand, maybe parents should be responsible for their kids going to school and this is a good motivator? It's been shown that having deadbeat parents can lead to many issues down the line that end up being society's problem to fix (e.g. crime, teenage pregnancies, high school dropouts). Plus, what she mentioned specifically was for elementary school truancy. If your 8-year-old kid has recurring unexcused absences you're a loving terrible parent. Nothing says deadbeat like working two jobs e: you absolute robot
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exploded mummy posted:its 3 unexcused absences, as in the parent or guardian didnt call to take the student out of class that day and the student is skipping school That's still loving stupid. I skipped way more than 3 days a year without an excuse, and i was one of the better students. Schools should teach and stop being authroitarian babysitters.
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Paradoxish posted:I watched the video. Using the criminal justice system in this way is monstrous and authoritarian. Full stop. There is no acceptable justification for it ever, under any circumstances. If you are going to press charges then it better be because you intend to prosecute and convict, otherwise you are using your authority against someone that you fully acknowledge hasn't done anything to warrant it. A thousand times this. If reflecting on the 90s should have taught us anything, this "Well, obviously if you're following all the rules, you don't need to worry" poo poo to excuse sending the cops out for every little infraction is just one of the many tools of the devil. And we wonder why cops stomp around acting like godlike authority figures, we've employed their services in far too many facets of our life and thus they feel like the ultimate arbiters of society itself. We need to push back on that, and hard.
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Seph posted:The foster program certainly has its flaws, don't get me wrong, but I'd almost certainly say it's better than a homeless mother who isn't looking out for their child. The state should absolutely take every possible measure to help parents get their kids to school, but at some point responsibility has to fall onto the parent. If they are unable or unwilling to get their child to school I think they are unfit to be a parent in general. mister schultz i get that you're a little upset about how your candidacy announcement was received but taking it out on homeless women strikes me as bad optics
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Hell even if you have mega deadbeat parents, you still are statistically far less likely to go to prison than if you aged out of the foster system, which is an 80-90% chance of incarceration.
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Those cops had to scare the poo poo out of that woman or else they would feel sad and Harris cannot have that.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am unsure. i think trump and the alt right types have burned out their welcome as of right now to put it nicely. they will get pushed underground for another decade or so to sleep and bitch like an ideological Pennywise. the GOP will probaly try a romney/kasich type again. Trump and alt-right are fully in control of the party, and that won't change even if Trump loses 2020. His twitter account will still dictate what the party does, and what GOP voters think. By the time Trump is too frail to tweet or dictate tweets, the party will mostly made up of true-believer alt-right types anyway (most of the party were always like that, and Trump just got everyone to drop the pretense). The Kasich/Romney types are a minority in the party, and social media makes it impossible to sweep any past embarrassments under the rug.
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pumpinglemma posted:The problem is there’s this thing called a primary, where Romney/Kasich types will have to persuade a party membership now composed almost entirely of screaming rabid fascists that actually, what they want is not the deaths of brown children, but tax cuts on the rich. What's the general opinion of Kasich 'round these parts? Despite being on the wrong faction, something about him seems almost okay to me.
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No I am not kidding it is really that badquote:According to national statistics provided by Arrow, 40 to 50 percent of those children will never complete high school. Sixty-six percent of them will be homeless, go to jail or die within one year of leaving the foster care system at 18.
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xov posted:What's the general opinion of Kasich 'round these parts? That's his trick.
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Seph posted:The foster program certainly has its flaws, don't get me wrong, but I'd almost certainly say it's better than a homeless mother who isn't looking out for their child. The state should absolutely take every possible measure to help parents get their kids to school, but at some point responsibility has to fall onto the parent. If they are unable or unwilling to get their child to school I think they are unfit to be a parent in general. “Beating children to death with iron bars has its flaws, don’t get me wrong, but I’d almost certainly say it’s better than giving them improper diets.”
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exploded mummy posted:its 3 unexcused absences, as in the parent or guardian didnt call to take the student out of class that day and the student is skipping school Still stupid as hell. Especially when we're talking about the penalty for that being locking up parents. Or even threatening to lock up parents. The schools can't handle a 3 day absence without the loving DA stepping in? Gee, at my school, it had a whole office full of redundant paper pushers, those people can't just send some letters asking what's up, or make a phone call? Before the goddamn DA gets involved? Boy, some people are just so casual with involving the cops in everything.
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Radish posted:Seriously. Bernie is the only one that has done even the barest effort of building up good faith regarding the stuff that NEEDS to be done to stave off another right wing maniac. Booker is spending his time going to charter schools in 2019. It's an absolute mess. Obama said a lot of stuff he immediatly abandoned after getting elected and if that happens another time we are hosed. It's an absolutely huge concern. I was never a huge Sanders supporter. I like him but never really bought into the excitement. He's better than the alternatives, but I think he's just way too old and out of touch. That being said, I'd take him over anyone else I can think of who has a shot. Or really anyone who doesn't have a shot. There's really NO ONE. It seems to be a problem without a solution. I know I'm too left to ever be represented by a president in this country who has similar political beliefs as my own, but drat, the cop who giggles about frightening children over arresting them and their family, the charter school guy, the super old man who loves the banks and thinks young people are whiners, the woman who lost to Donald Trump... it's not a great field of choices. And the only alternative is an illiterate game show host wannabe fascist baby. Honestly a lottery to choose the next president wouldn't be worse. It might not be better, but maybe we'd luck out. I don't see us lucking out with these candidates.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Another one I want to be happy about this, but the fact that her reasoning is, “The Democrats are more like Reagan,” is putting a damper on it.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Hell even if you have mega deadbeat parents, you still are statistically far less likely to go to prison than if you aged out of the foster system, which is an 80-90% chance of incarceration. Sounds like a system well-equipped to have every truant kid in America dumped on it
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Herstory Begins Now posted:No I am not kidding it is really that bad Holy gently caress are we a broken society
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If anyone hates feeling happy and wants to read about the long term outcomes of foster kids https://jlc.org/news/what-foster-care-prison-pipeline VitalSigns posted:Sounds like a system well-equipped to have every truant kid in America dumped on it look there are rigid systems in place to prevent abuse. In my state, for instance, social workers are able to spend up to 10-20 minutes per month per kid making sure that they are placed right, having their needs met, and aren't literally being pimped out by their foster parents My state is unusually poorly funded, but on average, states need to increase the funding and total number of people involved in the foster system by at least an order of magnitude. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jan 28, 2019 |
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Paradoxish posted:I watched the video. Using the criminal justice system in this way is monstrous and authoritarian. Full stop. There is no acceptable justification for it ever, under any circumstances. If you are going to press charges then it better be because you intend to prosecute and convict, otherwise you are using your authority against someone that you fully acknowledge hasn't done anything to warrant it. I think you're forgetting just how cool her cop letterhead was, and the fear it brought to those who received it. Super fun poo poo to play with.
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I want to be happy about this, but the fact that her reasoning is, “The Democrats are more like Reagan,” is putting a damper on it. That is reflective of how much further right the Republicans have gone than anything else.
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VH4Ever posted:Boy, some people are just so casual with involving the cops in everything. 
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xov posted:What's the general opinion of Kasich 'round these parts? He sucks rear end and is absolutely ready for a return to the kind of Republicanism that was the standard right before Trump. So evil but erudite enough to give cover for the Beltway media to say how Serious and Responsible they are at making the Hard Decisions. There are literally NO good Republicans. The Democrats are far enough right on "fiscal conservatism" that any person with any sense of morality or shame would be in that party or at the very least independent. You can't be a member of the GOP and be a good person, it's really that simply since they are so complicit in everything bad in this country.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:That's still loving stupid. I skipped way more than 3 days a year without an excuse, and i was one of the better students. Schools should teach and stop being authroitarian babysitters. The way thing are structured, schools don't get paid ADA money if students are not in attendance for a certain percentage of the year. So there's your hosed up motivation for districts call the cops on a homeless mom.
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VH4Ever posted:Still stupid as hell. Especially when we're talking about the penalty for that being locking up parents. Or even threatening to lock up parents. The schools can't handle a 3 day absence without the loving DA stepping in? Gee, at my school, it had a whole office full of redundant paper pushers, those people can't just send some letters asking what's up, or make a phone call? Before the goddamn DA gets involved? That was the incredible thing about that speech no one had even bothered to find out why her kids were absent until they took their homeless overworked mother downtown and charged her with a crime and threatened her with prison.
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VitalSigns posted:That was the incredible thing about that speech no one had even bothered to find out why her kids were absent until they took their homeless overworked mother downtown and charged her with a crime and threatened her with prison. It's like you don't even understand the point of the school to prison pipe line geez.
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