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The Puppy Bowl posted:I think we all mostly agree that there should be more services to help people combat poverty, homelessness, hunger, and other principal problems that contribute to kids missing school. Still, some people are service resistant. It's one thing when you're talking about homeless people who aren't willing or able to engage with the infrastructure to help them but it's a whole other when we are talking about parents who are responsible for the welfare of children. Am I right in assuming the thread's consensus is that there should be no punishment for truancy of any kind despite the well documented negative outcomes for kids who are perpetually absent? Striking fear of consequence into “failing” parents does absolutely nothing. Motivating people through fear will not help anyone learn. Boasting about that aspect of your initiatives is very ugly. It’s disdainful, just like having police on high school campus’, and it makes a mockery of the idea that any of this is a method that actually cares about these people. Even if the program was golden her rhetoric is identifiably authoritarian.
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OhDearGodNo posted:What do you do if the parents don't make the effort for the kids to go to school, if they've had offers of accommodation and refuse to make any attempts for their kid to attend school? What do you do when you've made every attempt to get the kid into school but the parent's just don't bother? What do you do if you threaten the parent before finding out that they're homeless and probably couldn't receive that call? Well, gotta break some eggs!
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Lol https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/1090047217648496640 He appeals to literally no one
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OhDearGodNo posted:What do you do if the parents don't make the effort for the kids to go to school, if they've had offers of accommodation and refuse to make any attempts for their kid to attend school? What do you do when you've made every attempt to get the kid into school but the parent's just don't bother? Throw them in jail and send the kids to foster care, apparently. Truly you have solved the issue.
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OhDearGodNo posted:An AG is there to wave the stick. In the context of what she was saying before, the AG was involved because they had a stick. They had the ability to enforce laws, and by that I don't mean just against parents (I'll get to that in a minute) but also against schools who were not doing anything to find out why. Even if threatening to jail a homeless woman with two jobs were an outlier, why should I discount it when Harris obviously thought it was so awesome she chose it as an example of what she supports, that says a lot about her OhDearGodNo posted:I was dirt poor between 2002-2007, and raised my kids as a single parent in section 8 housing. Many of us in the neighborhood were just trying to get out of a rut, but there were plenty who didn't give a gently caress. I remember one time I was at the bus stop with my next door neighbor to pick up our kids, and the topic of college for them came up. I think I was talking about how I wish Pell grants and such were expanded to all. She stated she didn't care. I asked her why, and she stated that college is for people too lazy to work, and went on to explain that when her boys turned 16, if they wanted to drop out she'd be for it as long as they worked a job. "Don't be so quick to judge me, poor people are actually quite poo poo so be quick to judge them instead"
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On the subject of the impending forever war in Venezuela. How does a country saction a leader and then divert that wealth to his opposition? Like, how does that work legally? Do we just empty their accounts and rob them? edit: bit sounded snarkier than I wanted
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol I really wish the media didn't have to treat this clown seriously, but because he has money we are subjected to this dumb vanity project
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol WHO THE gently caress IS HIS VOTING BLOC
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OhDearGodNo posted:What do you do if the parents don't make the effort for the kids to go to school, if they've had offers of accommodation and refuse to make any attempts for their kid to attend school? What do you do when you've made every attempt to get the kid into school but the parent's just don't bother? Let me guess your answer: send in the storm troopers?
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Craig K posted:WHO THE gently caress IS HIS VOTING BLOC Himself, and also me if he personally gives me $50,000 to vote for him
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1glitch0 posted:If you're me, there's really are no candidates that are any thing close to a fraction of my political ideals. That's sort of the vibe I honestly get from the thread regulars at large which is perhaps why the topic of the ideal candidate hasn't come up much. Personally of the candidates that announced Gillibrand seems to be on the right side of the most issues for me in her shift towards the left phase and has the experience and I think backbone to be successful at the job in a way that benefits America to some degree. Not perfect but the name that stands out so far to me. I'd also tend to agree that of the candidates that have announced that Harris comes across as the most bullish and least desirable with some policies that seem more than a little on the Draconian side. I just don't see the purpose in hammering that point at length, like the tendency of US Politics in general to focus only on the negative and partisan aspects of the ins and outs of Washington daily life has become kind of exhausting to me in the era of Trump. I don't think that makes me stupid, there's just only so much negativity and bitterness I can soak in all at once and that the progressive cause and it's base ought to be about projecting more of a positive and you know...progressive tone. Like here's why you should vote for these things instead of continuing to vote for people like Trump to it's messaging.
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Craig K posted:WHO THE gently caress IS HIS VOTING BLOC I think it's the media. They love billionaires and centrism decorum etc.. which this guy oozes.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol President Schultz in 2024: Succession is illegal, but using force to stop it is illegal
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Crabtree posted:What do you do if you threaten the parent before finding out that they're homeless and probably couldn't receive that call? Well, gotta break some eggs! WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER YOUR CALLS OR RESPOND TO LETTERS?? "Uh...I don't have a home or a reliable phone?" JAIL THEM! DEADBEATS. Centrism.
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Craig K posted:WHO THE gently caress IS HIS VOTING BLOC 10%ers who want cuts to medicare and social security and people mad if bernie gets the nomination.
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The gently caress is a ten percenter? are they like the three percenters?
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Man, I'm wondering who put the hit out on Harris. Seems a bit out-of-character and frankly too sophisticated for the people in the Warren campaign. If the rumors Clinton backing Harris are true, it could be Gillibrand trying to kneecap Harris before she takes out Gillibrand's niche. Then again, could be the Harris campaign themselves - release this now so that it's out there and old news by the time Iowa and New Hampshire hit, so that all anyone remember is that she's the tough on crime candidate.
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Jan 29, 2019 02:02
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Yeah, let's let google decide who gets into the country or not! Let's let the apple execs who happily say Climate Change destruction of the earth is good for their brand to run efforts on solving our self inflicted extinction problems! Let's just jail people for being poor!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol Is it possible to get zero votes?
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VH4Ever posted:Can we really not think of any consequences for it besides "threaten parents with jail?" Like, leave the morality of that aside. Is that really the best we can do? Jesus Christ we're unimaginative and/or just don't give a gently caress. Would threatening with fees for money they probably don't have be better? You need some kind of negative incentive to motivate the small minority of parents that won't be moved by positive incentives. Most likely the threat alone is enough to get kids to show up more regularly in school. I really can't stress enough how bad it is for kids to miss big chunks of school during the elementary education.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Is it possible to get zero votes? He’ll have quietly left the scene long before any actual election.
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Tibalt posted:Man, I'm wondering who put the hit out on Harris. Seems a bit out-of-character and frankly too sophisticated for the people in the Warren campaign. If the rumors Clinton backing Harris are true, it could be Gillibrand trying to kneecap Harris before she takes out Gillibrand's niche. *homeless woman gets brought up on bullshit charges and then the DA brags about it* whoa who put it out the hit on this DA, truly she's the real victim in all this
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Maybe Kamala was really into punk bootlegs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSJ9loxFgI
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Would threatening with fees for money they probably don't have be better? You need some kind of negative incentive to motivate the small minority of parents that won't be moved by positive incentives. Most likely the threat alone is enough to get kids to show up more regularly in school. I really can't stress enough how bad it is for kids to miss big chunks of school during the elementary education. Why exactly do they need negative incentives? Like this is something you're asserting, but I have a hard time believing that saying "make sure your kid is at school every day (outside of the school nurse sending them home sick) and we'll give you 200$/month (or whatever)" wouldn't make sure that kid's rear end is at school.
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Tibalt posted:Man, I'm wondering who put the hit out on Harris. Seems a bit out-of-character and frankly too sophisticated for the people in the Warren campaign. If the rumors Clinton backing Harris are true, it could be Gillibrand trying to kneecap Harris before she takes out Gillibrand's niche. God forbid we critique Harris on her political background when she announces she wants run against Trump, must be a coordinated hit! nah it's cool, lets just run another non-leftist shill with no vision of a better America, here's to 4 more years of trump!
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VitalSigns posted:*homeless woman gets brought up on bullshit charges and then the DA brags about it* While you're at it, let me link you to this GoFundMe for repairing this bridge in Brooklyn. Enkmar posted:God forbid we critique Harris on her political background when she announces she wants run against Trump, must be a coordinated hit! Tibalt fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Found a Facebook post from Kamala about her program. Which goes more into the rational behind the program and the procedure https://www.facebook.com/KamalaHarris/posts/d41d8cd9/154272583197/ quote:When Michael was in kindergarten, he missed more than 80 days of school. He was not ill and no one from Michael's family ever called to say why he was not attending school. Still not thrilled using punitive measures to alter behavior (even if very few ended up actually being penalized), but I wanted to provide some important context for the conversation/debate edit: here's an abstract from a UCLA law graduate critiquing Harris's program https://www.uclalawreview.org/pdf/discourse/62-3.pdf theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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ZypherIM posted:Why exactly do they need negative incentives? Like this is something you're asserting, but I have a hard time believing that saying "make sure your kid is at school every day (outside of the school nurse sending them home sick) and we'll give you 200$/month (or whatever)" wouldn't make sure that kid's rear end is at school. Seriously, positive incentives all the way. Alot of kids already make sure they get their butts to school every day just because it's the only place they consistent nutritious meals.
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Tibalt posted:Hmm, yes VitalSigns, tell me more about how you uncritically accept social media narratives as forming from the aether with no outside influence in 2019. So your position is that the candidate said those things, but we shouldn't care because a copy of the video is on social media  Does this apply to our pussy-grabbing president as well, that's where I saw that video
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Would threatening with fees for money they probably don't have be better? You need some kind of negative incentive to motivate the small minority of parents that won't be moved by positive incentives. Most likely the threat alone is enough to get kids to show up more regularly in school. I really can't stress enough how bad it is for kids to miss big chunks of school during the elementary education. It's been posted several times already: what if, and I'm just spitballing here, we address the ROOT CAUSES of said problems instead of simply punishing the outcomes of broken policies and bad economics? Address the ways in which these parents were failed by said systems? Or is that too radical an idea?
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There's some pretty significant privilege in this thread. "I can afford not to vote for a democratic candidate because we survived four years of trump, we can survive four more." All that matters is getting someone competent - and a democrat - into office. That's it. Nothing more. That's the end goal.
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OhDearGodNo posted:What do you do if the parents don't make the effort for the kids to go to school, if they've had offers of accommodation and refuse to make any attempts for their kid to attend school? What do you do when you've made every attempt to get the kid into school but the parent's just don't bother? If punishment is actually necessary - bearing in mind that most of the issue here is that punishment wasn't necessary, while support very obviously was necessary, but Kamala jumped straight to punishment anyway while counting it as a success story - mandatory parenting classes would be a good place to start, escalating to community service. Provided alongside the necessary support, not instead of it.
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CelestialScribe posted:There's some pretty significant privilege in this thread. "I can afford not to vote for a democratic candidate because we survived four years of trump, we can survive four more." If that's the end goal we should probably vet candidates carefully to ensure that the winner of the primary doesn't drive people away from voting for them in the general
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CelestialScribe posted:There's some pretty significant privilege in this thread. "I can afford not to vote for a democratic candidate because we survived four years of trump, we can survive four more." yeah and for that to happen they are going to need to have a good turnout. And that's not going to happen if we try to run NOT TRUMP 2.0 . There are more moving parts here than you realize
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Electric Phantasm posted:Is it possible to get zero votes?
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Anyone who wants to inject more pain into the poor as a motivator can get bent. Like pain was something that needed to be introduced into the poverty to finally get it motivated...you know...jolt them from the pleasure yacht that is American poverty. Poor peeps gotta get woke on education, and Harris is the one to do it.
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Bhaal posted:The math is different in the general, but that is something like 17 months away. Well yeah that's basically why I brought up how I think the media rushing to argue that she is or should be considered the front runner is getting out way ahead of itself yet again seemingly just for the purposes of generating buzz. Other than that I kind of tend to agree with most of your points, if the result of the election is replacing Trump with someone who the best praise you would be able to offer is that then what's the purpose of voting for that person really? As I've said before sometimes the way a person un-packages their ideas and opinions makes all the difference in being able to see their points and focuses. Like it's just a balanced argument that states the practical purposes for the opinions being stated and focus on them (don't let the opponent control the big picture narrative on your candidate before you have) and doesn't just come across as wallowing in negativity. You pretty much covered it all really. CelestialScribe posted:All that matters is getting someone competent - and a democrat - into office. That's it. Nothing more. That's the end goal. That sounds a lot like something Mitch McConnell would say for the Republicans.....only in private. 
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theblackw0lf posted:Found a Facebook post from Kamala about her program. Which goes more into the rational behind the program and the procedure "We only went after a few poor people for being poor" isn't much of a defense, hth.
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VitalSigns posted:So your position is that the candidate said those things, but we shouldn't care because a copy of the video is on social media You don't like to "think" about things, huh.
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