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Zwabu posted:Is it possible for primary chat to be segregated into that thread? Or are we to have two primary threads, this one being "primary PLUS"? As more candidates announce and the primary begins in earnest, it will be functionally impossible to segregate primary chat from US politics. It's sort of the inherent problem of having a US politics megathread, although I can discuss with the other mods if there is interest in a simple blanket ban of primary chat itt.
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DrNutt posted:I stand corrected but otoh that only makes him even more a piece of poo poo. Kind of like someone in this thread right now Me? 
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DrNutt posted:I stand corrected but otoh that only makes him even more a piece of poo poo. Kind of like someone in this thread right now Those kind of people are the worst, because they deeply believe that since they succeeded anyone should be able to and usually end up being extra resentful of poor people after the fact because they are misplacing their resentment of their prior life in poverty. Kinda like how black cops can be even more lovely to black people, poor people who come up rich as gently caress can be some of the meanest, most selfish motherfuckers.
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I guess to steelman the point Tibalt is making: we should treat videos like these as political ads, because there’s a non-trivial chance that’s what they are. Probably from primary opponents rather than Putin, and it doesn’t make them automatically wrong or dishonest - often the most devastating political ads are precisely the most brutally honest. (See: any 2016 ad involving the phrase “grab ‘em by the pussy.”) But it does mean we should be a little less trusting and a little more willing to look for external context than we otherwise would be. For example, in this specific case, the policy was poo poo and the speech was poo poo, but it turns out only 20 people were actually prosecuted, and going by the video I’d assumed it was significantly more. And now I look at what I assume is that chronic truancy law, subsection b) looks an awfully lot like it’s saying that actually people found guilty under the law don’t go to jail at all - they get referrals to social services and mandatory meetings and so on, and then only face any punishment at all if that all fails. And I certainly wouldn’t have guessed that from the video.
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Just keep every single kid imprisoned once they’re born until they turn 13 IMO.
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KickerOfMice posted:Man you aren't familiar with Tibalt, are you? *tosses a plucked Bird Box Challenge into the center of the Forum, farts*
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Just keep every single kid imprisoned once they’re born until they turn 13 IMO. School is now the Hunger Games.
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Lightning Knight posted:As more candidates announce and the primary begins in earnest, it will be functionally impossible to segregate primary chat from US politics. It's sort of the inherent problem of having a US politics megathread, although I can discuss with the other mods if there is interest in a simple blanket ban of primary chat itt. Primary chat should be it's own thread because there's just so much going on. In USpolitics rn, it will drown out everything else. Like a bunch of cops got shot, Manaforts sentencing is being pushed back, Ilhan is doing poo poo and Dingells laying down some sweet burns but by all means let's argue about Kamala Harris(with some dogwhistles for good measure!) For 8 pages.
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Tibalt posted:"Behold, a spontaneous fad!" Oh, quiet, you.  *farts*
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Koalas March posted:Primary chat should be it's own thread because there's just so much going on. In USpolitics rn, it will drown out everything else. I'm about to go back and read, but it appears I am the only one awake right now so rip. It may be something we institute when the next thread is made, most likely.
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I personally think Harris had disqualified herself but let's be honest. America eats up lovely retributive programs like the truancy program. This won't impact her anymore than the super predators thing did Clinton. You may hope better, but I think we're still too early in shifting people's minds about our justice system. Not that we shouldn't try, I'm just cynical about the electorate.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Okay, but how do you accomplish that? Work the next level stuff up through lower ranks like congress. Which is happening already.
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Lol nah you're cool, I'm thinking of the person who claimed to know several poor people that "just didn't give a poo poo" and essentially blamed them for the inability to get out of their poor circumstances. It is good that some people actually are capable of crawling out of poverty, it is bad to assume that others aren't because of some moral failing, and not the fact that our system is broken on nearly every level that matters to people in poverty. None of this poo poo happens in a vacuum and to tie it back in to Howard Schultz, a (white) guy born into a poor neighborhood in 1955 probably has a good chance of making something of himself (and becoming an fygm dirtbag in the process) but the obstacles in place to someone in 2019 are far worse across the board. Koalas March posted:Those kind of people are the worst, because they deeply believe that since they succeeded anyone should be able to and usually end up being extra resentful of poor people after the fact because they are misplacing their resentment of their prior life in poverty. Yeah I work with people in poverty and even among people who are still living in poverty there are hierarchies and the desire to present as "one of the good ones" who "deserves" help. Right wing propaganda that has poisoned the social service well pretty much since The New Deal is insidious and wide ranging. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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foobardog posted:Not that we shouldn't try, I'm just cynical about the electorate. That's what led me to second guess myself about Hillary Clinton versus Sanders in 2016. I'm done with trying to account for others at this point. Vote for the person who speaks to you the most. SCHULTZ SCHULTZ SCHULTZ SCHULTZ SCHULTZ SCHULTZ
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Brony Car posted:That's what led me to second guess myself about Hillary Clinton versus Sanders in 2016. I'm done with trying to account for others at this point. Vote for the person who speaks to you the most. I agree. But lol at Schultz
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Jan 29, 2019 03:25
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Kamala Harris flat out sucks, but I agree that literally any person with a D next to their name is better than Donald loving Trump.
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Brony Car posted:That's what led me to second guess myself about Hillary Clinton versus Sanders in 2016. I'm done with trying to account for others at this point. Vote for the person who speaks to you the most. At this point I'm probably not going to participate in the primary in my state and I'll end up voting for whoever wins it, which will probably be Bernie.
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The 2020 primary thread's poll has been updated, please enjoy memes and post there about the primary in general please.
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DrNutt posted:I stand corrected but otoh that only makes him even more a piece of poo poo. Kind of like someone in this thread right now all of us are pieces of poo poo, friend
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Look at this old dude who makes everyone worry. He's so old.
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Your Taint posted:Kamala Harris flat out sucks, but I agree that literally any person with a D next to their name is better than Donald loving Trump. This is the right take. Let's all agree to this and move oooon.
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Lightning Knight posted:The 2020 primary thread's poll has been updated, please enjoy memes and post there about the primary in general please. You should probably change this thread title to tell people to go there for primary chat. Can't hurt at least.
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Mister Fister posted:I mean, poo poo i don't even think a bog standard republican AG would try to loving cover for one of his subordinates who created a fraudulent confession. She (and her subordinate) should have been disbarred for that alone. How the hell is she even in discussion for being POTUS. I read that, and that wasn't one of her subordinates at all, the guy got disbarred for a year, and the argument she filed isn't even attempting to hide the fraudulent confession, just that on procedural grounds that the prosecution should be able tp retry a case without the dipshit who decided to turn a case about a stepfather molesting his 10 year old stepdaughter into a shitshow. (The guy was a county level prosecutor and does not report in any way to the State AG)
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:all of us are pieces of poo poo, friend Can't really argue with that, tbh.
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Your Taint posted:Kamala Harris flat out sucks, but I agree that literally any person with a D next to their name is better than Donald loving Trump. Entirely uncontroversial and completely correct.
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Gaunab posted:You should probably change this thread title to tell people to go there for primary chat. Can't hurt at least. yes to clarify things let's have both thread titles mention the primary
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Can we talk about next President of the United States Howard "Starbucks" Schulz, as he is not running in any primary? The deficit? Let's do something about it.
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Koalas March posted:Primary chat should be it's own thread because there's just so much going on. In USpolitics rn, it will drown out everything else. There's actually still a lot going on with Trump! But he slows down his tweeting or there's no indictments for ONE DAY and we get eight pages of Dems bad. Meanwhile, the primary thread has the same content.
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But yeah, the 2020 primary-type chat and general USpol is going to be hard to disentangle. (Didn't know we had a specific thread for that!)
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Lightning Knight posted:The 2020 primary thread's poll has been updated, please enjoy memes and post there about the primary in general please. 
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Ague Proof posted:Can we talk about next President of the United States Howard "Starbucks" Schulz, as he is not running in any primary? Howard Schultz 2020: let's help venezuela by sending them lovely overpriced coffee.
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Ague Proof posted:Can we talk about next President of the United States Howard "Starbucks" Schulz, as he is not running in any primary? Let's ask the tech industry.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:all of us are pieces of poo poo, friend lotta good takes on this page
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KickerOfMice posted:But yeah, the 2020 primary-type chat and general USpol is going to be hard to disentangle. Yeah well let's try anyway because it ruins the hell out of this thread.
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Your Taint posted:Kamala Harris flat out sucks, but I agree that literally any person with a D next to their name is better than Donald loving Trump. This is the attitude you need to have from now on. High Horsing and  ing because Acceptable Democrat isn't you socialist savior gets you Donald Trump, but American voters are slow babies who need to touch the hot stove three or four times before they figure out, ow that really hurts, so maybe you'll finally get it this time. I dunno.gently caress Howard Shultz into the sun though.
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Koalas March posted:Manaforts sentencing is being pushed back. I feel like this is the second time that's happened but perhaps I was thinking of one of the other shitlords from Trump's orbit that was convicted last year. Maybe that was the prosecution requesting that the sentence be suspended because he may have violated the terms of his plea deal and the judge just now granting that request though. In any case I swear this came up before but just got lost in the whole shutdown shitshow news cycle.
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Grape posted:Yeah well let's try anyway because it ruins the hell out of this thread. It seems to be a whole lot of arguments so circular it might create a pulsar.
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