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Jerry Cotton posted:You literally argue murder (mostly of people who live in countries even fuckeder up than the USA) is an acceptable way to escape poverty so yeah I'm sure you don't give a poo poo what normal sane adults like me think. You're from a wealthy Nordic state lol.
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Grape posted:You're from a wealthy Nordic state lol. America is a very wealthy state.
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Yeah bro all that money on Wall Street and Silicon Valley trickles down to the rest of us real easy and/or gets taxed away and put into that robust social safety net and social democratic state we've got
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Crazycryodude posted:Yeah bro all that money on Wall Street and Silicon Valley trickles down to the rest of us real easy and/or gets taxed away and put into that robust social safety net and social democratic state we've got Maybe you should murder some kids about it? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jerry Cotton posted:You literally argue murder (mostly of people who live in countries even fuckeder up than the USA) is an acceptable way to escape poverty so yeah I'm sure you don't give a poo poo what normal sane adults like me think. Dude we've all seen your posting. Also the only reason boycotting Nestle is so easy here is because of Unilever is helping with that a lot. The reasons are no doubt very difficult to understand.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Maybe you should murder some kids about it? You have nothing actually useful to the contribute to the conversation, you're just here to brag about how morally superior you are. gently caress off.
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Jerry Cotton posted:America is a very wealthy state. It's also enormous and full of countless more people than the minuscule amount in Finland, meaning that wealth statistic is useless to broadly apply. Not to even get into the basic income inequality that makes GDP poo poo worthless to talk about alone. There are large parts of the US as lovely as anything over your eastern border.
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Pants Donkey posted:Here’s content Or a lucrative career in newspaper comics 
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I feel like there's a strong default rule to apply here: If there's any sort of substantive disagreement in the thread (excluding my own propaganda-hating rear end) about whether or not to agree with the position advocated in a Tedd Rawl comic, the person agreeing with the Tid Reil comic is wrong, and also conceited.
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As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally?
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? Transgender people can be fired for being transgender and no other reason, and that's legal (in most states). Also, the more general point about firing only transgender people, and nobody else, even from a lovely job is still relevant.
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? Yeah, I did my last two years of high school in the South and between the real, legit lack of prospects plus being 16 and not having a functional brain yet the recruiters always managed to snag a dozen or two kids. And then once your name is on that contract they've got you by the balls, even if you decide "wait poo poo this is a terrible idea" lol nope too late either do your three years or go to prison. It's not like there everywhere but "America is a third world country" is not a joke, there're places that literally are. People regularly get hookworm for gently caress's sake. These gutted hellscapes are coincidentally where the military gets like two thirds of their recruits. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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FronzelNeekburm posted:Transgender people can be fired for being transgender and no other reason, and that's legal (in most states). And in states where it is illegal, they can be fired for completely unrelated reasons* *reasons just happen to come up immediately after the management finds out the employee is trans
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? In some places, yes. But there are a lot of other factors too. From a very early age pretty much everyone has it drilled into their heads, through culture and education, about how awesome and cool and noble the military is. Whole lotta people just aren't equipped to even think about questioning that level of propaganda. That's why it's frustrating to me when people say "well duh they should have just used their brains and made the morally correct decision like me". People here are basically brainwashed into thinking this way. The problem is institutional, not personal. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Fojar38 posted:"All people have equal opportunities to work all jobs therefore anyone in a lovely situation deserves it" isn't what I would expect to be a left-wing take considering it's like the fundamental fallacy of free market capitalism yet here we are. I guess it isn't surprising it was started by a loving Ted Rall cartoon Ask an extremely online leftist what they think of north korea sometime.
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? Absolutely yes. Especially in poorer areas where there simply aren't any jobs so your options post graduation are applying for a small handful of jobs that everyone else is also applying for, going to college and inevitably going into massive debt, or signing up with the military for a guaranteed pay check. Non US folks probably also dont know that military recruiters specifically go to impoverished schools and aggressively lie to teenagers that the military is their only option if they dont want to be homeless or in jail. I saw army recruiters at my high school all the goddamn time (I live in the south, though not the deep south) and they pretty much exclusively targeted the black kids and the redneck kids. Aka the poor kids.
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Also, Native Americans serve in the military at a higher rate than any other ethnic group largely because Indian reservations are the poorest places in America and military service is one of the only ways to get out.
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Pants Donkey posted:Here’s content fee.org is the Foundation for Economic Education, which is a violently toxic loving website; the citation, as far as Google can tell, is a 2016 article by Michael Munger entitled Millennials Can't Just "Reject" Capitalism which has a throwaway, uncited line saying fee.org posted:Of course, there are some problems interpreting these answers. For one thing, it’s not clear that the millennials in the sample (or folks of any age the Post’s editorial board) can actually define capitalism, or for that matter, socialism. All cited in context, that's the quality journalism you're getting at fee.org. Munger is a professor at Duke and his wikipedia page lists his performance as "a security guard at the beginning of a video titled "Fight of the Century"" as a notable moment in his life. That fucker's a ten minute Epic Rap Battles of History knockoff which is, uh, bad. Gorgeous production values but, still, bad. Holy poo poo they've got a self-congratulatory TVTropes page because of course they do The article was originally posted on Learn Liberty, another cancerous site and an offshoot of the Institute for Humane Studies, a non-profit Libertarian organisation (what) that lists a Koch brother (not the Large Adult Son one) on its board of directors. If y'all find any of this interesting please let me know; I like tracing some of these networks from time to time; the sheer eye-watering complexity of the right wing grifting engine is fascinating to me.
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I have to wonder just how much millenials' preference for socialism is actually because of a desire for socialism and how much is because conservatives have been calling anything that would constitute the most barebones social safety net "socialism" for milennials' entire lives and that's all they want.
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? That is the favorite grossly over-simplified way to dismiss any concerns about representation or the necessity of engaging with capitalism to have your needs met, so yeah. Trans people getting barred from the military sets a precedent for prejudicial employment standards in government and beyond. "Boohoo, what will we do if trans woman can't kill brown people like other groups" is derailing a conversation about trans people's civil rights into some broad whine about imperialism and the military because certain assholes get pissy at trans people existing and being part of society.
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CuwiKhons posted:The military openly and aggressively recuits teenagers from impoverished and marginalized communities and convinces them its their only opportunity to escape. Saying people only join the military to kill brown people is absurd. I disagree with basically everything the US military as an organization does but the average recruit just wants healthcare and a paycheck. The US military does what the US government orders them to, because the USA are a republic, meaning that the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces is whichever civilian happens to be President.
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Pakled posted:I have to wonder just how much millenials' preference for socialism is actually because of a desire for socialism and how much is because conservatives have been calling anything that would constitute the most barebones social safety net "socialism" for milennials' entire lives and that's all they want. It's the second thing. True socialism would be great, but most folks will happily settle for properly regulated capitalism and rollback of this new gilded age.
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Pakled posted:I have to wonder just how much millenials' preference for socialism is actually because of a desire for socialism and how much is because conservatives have been calling anything that would constitute the most barebones social safety net "socialism" for milennials' entire lives and that's all they want. I've tried to have conversations with Trump supporting relatives, and it's amusing and slightly terrifying how difficult it is to communicate about anything political. Our definitions of things are completely different, and our understandings of the world are incongruent. Granted, said family member's definition of socialism is "people who build walls" who when pressed about the fact that Conservatives (Republicans aren't Conservative, you see, and they're different than just people who are conservative because reasons) are the people who are currently pushing for the wall was still completely refusing to redefine their definition of what socialism is. There's also just a shocking disregard for any news sources outside their bubble, and thanks to the large number of right wing bullshit peddlers, they earnestly believe they're getting their news from multiple sources despite just getting the same talking points repeated continuously.
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Pants Donkey posted:Here’s content AOC and the spoiled children of the west are demsoc social fascists/capitalist running dogs A Maoist Cartoon
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Trapezium Dave posted:
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Dirk the Average posted:I've tried to have conversations with Trump supporting relatives, and it's amusing and slightly terrifying how difficult it is to communicate about anything political. Our definitions of things are completely different, and our understandings of the world are incongruent. My little excursions to find Tinsley's sources have showed me that this poo poo pops up all over the place like a malignant tumor. It's never just one place, it'll be six or seven all overseen by the same organisations all sharing the same articles between themselves over the course of weeks and months to keep giving it that "breaking news" shine.
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quote:Besesoth posted:For some reason it was this particular picture that finally helped me figure out whose appearance Roger Stone reminds me of: he's like a low-rent Victor Garber. That's... how is that not Jeffrey Tambor?
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? And I gotta say "lol just get a different job then!!" is something I see a lot, but I sure didn't expect to see so much of it in this thread, of all places. Somfin posted:If y'all find any of this interesting please let me know; I like tracing some of these networks from time to time; the sheer eye-watering complexity of the right wing grifting engine is fascinating to me.
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Pope: 'I pay taxes, I play football, I love Australia': Hakeem al-Araibi speaks (Canberra Times)
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Cat Mattress posted:The US military does what the US government orders them to, because the USA are a republic, meaning that the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces is whichever civilian happens to be President. What part of my post made you think I didnt know that? Genuine question here, I have no idea why you felt the need to add this. I'm well aware the military doesn't act in a vacuum.
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? "I'm poor , trans, and my family and town hate my very existence and there's one way out." So yes, like literally literally. Like I think we're all in agreement that the us military and imperialism are very bad, and there's a lot to be done about it, that isn't taking away a lifeline for trans people.
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Jay Rust posted:As a stranger to both the US and the military, this debate reminds me of that “Liberals say: More 👏 female 👏 prison 👏 guards” tweet or whatever. Are things really so bad in the States that for some people the military life is literally their only option? Like, literally literally? Born in the USA lyrics.
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Somfin posted:If y'all find any of this interesting please let me know; I like tracing some of these networks from time to time; the sheer eye-watering complexity of the right wing grifting engine is fascinating to me. I love learning about right wing grifters, please continue. Hbomberguy seems to want to move on to bigger things but I still need my fix. Clerical Terrors fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Does anyone remember a political cartoon posted here a few weeks ago titled "The View of Europe from the Mediterranean" depicting a refugee boat sinking beneath a giant European flag? I was digging through the thread but can't seem to find it.
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Somfin posted:If y'all find any of this interesting please let me know; I like tracing some of these networks from time to time; the sheer eye-watering complexity of the right wing grifting engine is fascinating to me. Oh god yes keep doing this. Who needs to follow the money when you can just follow the poo poo?
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Trapezium Dave posted:First Dog on the Moon: Australian Election 2019  the cassowary antifa is very cute
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