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I really wouldn’t recommend Goblins as a first warband. Aside from being typically fragile Goblins, they have a load of extra rules which will get in the way of learning, plus slow the game down loads. Orcs are a solid choice. They’re not top-tier competitive but they’re very straight forward. If you just want casual games, then think about proxying cards - the warband boxes aren’t designed to be effective decks out of the box.
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Pierzak posted:Oh you're still doing that? Nice. It's a pretty solid butt to be fair.
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Sab669 posted:I think the Underworlds boxes are a great value: 3-9 models for $25-30 is a great price for GW. So if you might just slowly buy stuff to paint then that's cool. Agreed, it looks like a pretty chill break in between painting dozens upon dozens of historicals.
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Mango Polo posted:GW has some pretty drat weird ways of promoting their stuff sometimes Post that in the Infinity thread. I heard they have an rear end-collage.
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Z the IVth posted:Post that in the Infinity thread. I heard they have an rear end-collage.
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I love the new sculpts, and there are some really good cards in the new boxes 
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I don't suppose any one has a spare set of cards for ironskullz Boyz? Mine have been water damaged.
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So I started watching the Grand Clash on twitch. Seems like there was a good mix of warbands this time around which could be a good indicator of how balanced the game is right now. Either that or the community is just really chill?
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Psyber Spine posted:So I started watching the Grand Clash on twitch. Seems like there was a good mix of warbands this time around which could be a good indicator of how balanced the game is right now. Either that or the community is just really chill? I've only run in to one massive, toxic idiot, and he quit the game because no one liked him. Everyone else has been pretty drat chill about it. There's a nice variety in the grand clash top 10 too! There's even an Eyes of the Nine team up there, which makes me hopeful for the rest of my league season.
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I'm tempted by the Eyes, but on paper, their gameplay sounds pretty underwhelming.
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Iceclaw posted:I'm tempted by the Eyes, but on paper, their gameplay sounds pretty underwhelming. They have very low health overall, so positioning is crazy important to minimize risk. I've had good success against the different stormcast, some success against the super aggressive teams, and problems against horde warbands where I can't stay oit of range. I'll be fighting the ghosts for the first time tomorrow, so that'll be interesting. I think they're very fun and interesting to play, but I enjoy risk mitigation so it could just be me.
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Welp, went to the Grand Clash and ended up in the bottom 30, going 1-3 across the day. Thing is, it wasn't my deck that was the problem. It absolutely destroyed my opponents (who were all at least top 50) during my practice matches. Underworlds is not a game I can play when I have a stinking hangover - I made some really, really stupid mistakes. In one game it was one glaring mistake every turn. That plus jank dice made it difficult to recover. At one point 5 attacks in a row missed, and in one game I didn't have a single successful attack. Pretty disheartening for my first trip to WHW! My main takeaway is don't get hammered in Bugman's the night before, don't stay up playing drunken 3 player games the night before, and have some breakfast before going to the GC...
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Oof that sounds rough. Did you take any pictures while you were there? I'm thinking about going next year.
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Mango Polo posted:So how newbie friendly does Mollog look like?
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I got photos - but mostly of games, rather than the event. There were a few issues with the event, but I'm going to be uncharacteristically optimistic and say they're teething troubles due to the size. I'm not sure GW has organised an event with ~160 players before! Blood Bowl on Sunday was about half the size and ran really smoothly. Either making it a 2-day event or putting in a hard cap of tickets would really improve it. Mango Polo posted:So how newbie friendly does Mollog look like? It's newbie friendly in that if all you want to do is run in and hit things, it's easy to do. However, winning will be a different matter, if you don't think about your charges/moves.
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Mango Polo posted:So how newbie friendly does Mollog look like? I'd say it's highly dependent on the newbie. If they're into wargames or board games, they'll probably struggle and have mixed success. I don't think Mollog is a great idea for newer players in general, but if they're the warband that makes the game attractive I say let that bare-backed beauty rock their socks.
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d3lness posted:let that bare-backed beauty rock their socks. Do you let Mollog rock your socks bare-back?  The only concern I would have is that you might develop bad habits when you switch to other warbands because Mollog can ignore the Move Token rules a little bit. Can't say how "good" the band is, but in wargames I'm often wary of taking the faction that ignores a chunk of the rulebook as a new player. Underworlds is pretty simple though, rules wise, so I guess it probably doesn't really matter.
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Big Willy Style posted:I don't suppose any one has a spare set of cards for ironskullz Boyz? Mine have been water damaged. US? I've got an extra Ironskull box to offload.
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Which warbands are on the simple side of the spectrum for beginners? I’ve bought solely based on coolness of models for painting (Nightvault starter, Gitz, Mollog) and now realize I might be in trouble for learning to play.
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Denevian posted:Which warbands are on the simple side of the spectrum for beginners? I’ve bought solely based on coolness of models for painting (Nightvault starter, Gitz, Mollog) and now realize I might be in trouble for learning to play. The starter box stuff is fun and good for learning. You have a swarm and tank army. Both have their special tricks, but aren't super far out in left field like Mollog. Mollog and Gitz are both fine for learning as well. It just depends if you're okay with struggling a little bit for wins while you're learning. They have super neat gimmicks which make playing them feel extra unique. All said and done, you can learn to play with all of your factions as long as you remember to thoroughly read your cards.
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Denevian posted:Which warbands are on the simple side of the spectrum for beginners? I’ve bought solely based on coolness of models for painting (Nightvault starter, Gitz, Mollog) and now realize I might be in trouble for learning to play. Orcs, Fiends, any of the Stormcast, Reavers are far and away the simplest.
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I'd say Steelheart's Champions, Orks and Magore's Fiends are probably the easiest to learn/play. It's either, "I'm gonna sit back and not die" or "I'm gonna run at you and kill your face  ".Skaven, Skeletons, Dwarves, Striders all have some weird nuances. The Reavers feel very squishy and unforgiving IMO. I haven't played much of Nightvault. The Cursebreakers are apparently good, judging by tournament results, but I find them a little unfun to play. Spending an activation trying to cast Empower and fail and then having this cost you Magical Supremacy is like the peak of un-fun. Eyes of the Nine... You'd think the Tzeentch band would be better at Magic but apparently not. Haven't played the Haunts, Gitz, or either of the two new factions yet. That said, I don't find the game especially complex. It's not like 40K or AoS where there's tons of little niche rules and whatnot; everyone abides by the same general core rules and then just powers up under different conditions. So I think the Rule of Cool is fine ultimately. But as I said I think picking Mollog might set you up for frustration when you play another faction and have to actually follow normal Movement rules 
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My Eyes Of The Nine arrived today. First Nightvault band. Hype! Of course I need the base Nightvault set and all the NV bands to satisfy my completionism 
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ineptmule posted:My Eyes Of The Nine arrived today. First Nightvault band. Hype! Let us know how you like playing them. I like our birdy choas buddy, but I decided to go with some other factions first.
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I ended up buying the Orcs today, and the plastic minis are really nice IRL. Just putting them together and painting them will be worth the 200 SEK I spent, no matter if I end up liking the game or not. A clubmate is picking up the Magore box and share the base box with a friend, so we'll be at least 3-4 players even if nobody else dips into it. Now I just want to make a swanky 3D board. :P
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GW does sell terrain specifically for Underworlds. Or do you mean making your own 3D board? And yea, I'm really impressed with their Easy Build stuff. Some large gaps, particularly with the Stormcast models, but a lot of it can be solved simply by filing down the "pegs" so they go together tighter. That said I do need to buy a bottle of liquid greenstuff or something. The shoulders on the Stormcast (the whole AoS line of Easy Build Stormcast) is driving me nuts and while plastic cement helps, it still doesn't create a smooth seam.
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Sab669 posted:GW does sell terrain specifically for Underworlds. Or do you mean making your own 3D board? I was thinking of a basic board, as I think even a moderately effort board looks better than cardboard for minis games. Something basic like this: https://twitter.com/amoeba_bait/status/920522597623848962
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lilljonas posted:I was thinking of a basic board, as I think even a moderately effort board looks better than cardboard for minis games. Something basic like this: I've seen ones like that for shadespire, they look amazing. That gorechosen one looks doable with some foam sculpting experience and an airbrush.
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berzerkmonkey posted:US? I've got an extra Ironskull box to offload. Australia, unfortunately.
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lilljonas posted:I was thinking of a basic board, as I think even a moderately effort board looks better than cardboard for minis games. Something basic like this: That looks cool as poo poo, but it'd be tough to pull off because you have like, what, 6 or 8 different boards to choose from for Underworlds
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On the other end of the hobby scale I hear the Grand Clash was won by someone with an unpainted warband? Is there any truth to that? One of my friends is getting very salty about it and saying it demeans the hobby etc. and they should have enforced a minimum paint requirement like their other events. Personally I don't mind, the minis are just glorified counters for a board game and afaik the game is treated by a lot of folk as similar to Magic the Gathering (where they certainly don't expect you to paint your cards!).
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lilljonas posted:I was thinking of a basic board, as I think even a moderately effort board looks better than cardboard for minis games. Something basic like this: The only thing you might run into is that the board layouts and how the different ones get put together is really important to the game so you’d have to figure out how to duplicate them all.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:The only thing you might run into is that the board layouts and how the different ones get put together is really important to the game so you’d have to figure out how to duplicate them all. I should probably wait with drafting up ideas until I've played the actual game, but I'm thinking that an empty board and modular tiles that you can put on top of it might work. Or just make one of the boards, and use cardboard for the rest.
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lilljonas posted:I was thinking of a basic board, as I think even a moderately effort board looks better than cardboard for minis games. Something basic like this: https://hexy.store/109-underworlds-shadespire-nightvault I grabbed the spooky terrain set plus the reaper piece. There's heaps of great terrain out there for those who don't feel like going as gloriously over the top as you undoubtedly will.
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Terrain talk: I make these trophies for my league. They fit on blocked hexes, and they're great for intimidating people at tournaments. 
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Wazzu posted:https://hexy.store/109-underworlds-shadespire-nightvault I grabbed the spooky terrain set plus the reaper piece. There's heaps of great terrain out there for those who don't feel like going as gloriously over the top as you undoubtedly will. Those look nice and I think the opposite of your post: why not BOTH use a nice 3D board AND such cool extra terrain sets? :P
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Zark the Damned posted:One of my friends is getting very salty about it and saying it demeans the hobby etc. and they should have enforced a minimum paint requirement like their other events. Personally I don't mind, the minis are just glorified counters for a board game and afaik the game is treated by a lot of folk as similar to Magic the Gathering (where they certainly don't expect you to paint your cards!). I can tell you that the people making this game are very keen to stay away from "everything must be painted". This is GW's attempt at some crossover, and "everything must be painted" is such a horrible barrier to entry. There's a reason why all the warbands come in different coloured-plastics.
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glitchkrieg posted:I can tell you that the people making this game are very keen to stay away from "everything must be painted". This is GW's attempt at some crossover, and "everything must be painted" is such a horrible barrier to entry. There's a reason why all the warbands come in different coloured-plastics. Yeah you're never going to cut into the X-wing or magic crowd if you require painting. It makes a lot of sense to keep it very boardgamer/cardgamer-friendly. For me, painting four minis is an afternoon session if I were pushed, but for some of my friends it would never ever happen. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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glitchkrieg posted:I can tell you that the people making this game are very keen to stay away from "everything must be painted". This is GW's attempt at some crossover, and "everything must be painted" is such a horrible barrier to entry. There's a reason why all the warbands come in different coloured-plastics. Yeah, that was pretty much exactly my argument back. It's not like Necromunda etc. where miniature profiles actually matter for LOS etc.
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