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National Assembly deputy Jose Guerra said earlier today that he has "information from [Central Bank] staff" suggesting that the regime is trying to smuggle 20 tonnes of gold out of the Central Bank vaults to Russia. He says the plane that is supposedly scheduled to make the gateway "came from Moscow". I don't have any more details on this, and Guerra is obviously citing a confidential source, but here is the tweet: https://twitter.com/AsambleaVE/status/1090342076930277378
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Chuck Boone posted:National Assembly deputy Jose Guerra said earlier today that he has "information from [Central Bank] staff" suggesting that the regime is trying to smuggle 20 tonnes of gold out of the Central Bank vaults to Russia. He says the plane that is supposedly scheduled to make the gateway "came from Moscow". I don't have any more details on this, and Guerra is obviously citing a confidential source, but here is the tweet: Quick someone reincarnate Francis Drake.
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US hands withheld Venezuelan assets to Venezuela's Guaido France 24 Bloomberg The Hill
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/americas/venezuela-army-defectors-plea-for-arms/index.htmlquote:Caracas, Venezuela (CNN)Venezuelan army defectors are calling on the Trump administration to arm them, in what they call their quest for "freedom." uh if somebody were to start arming army deserters and providing them logistics support so they can reenter Venezuela, that would mean a lot of violence. Fortunately I haven't seen any indication yet that any state actors are actively encouraging anything like that. The second part of the article seems more important to me. While most of the officers still seem to be loyal to Maduro, if dissension is bad enough within the ranks they may start applying pressure from below. That could force even officers who are close to the PSUV to join a mutiny, get replaced by lower officers willing to go with the will of the soldiers, or at least confine their units to a barracks during a coup d'etat. Army deserters organizing on the Colombian border and launching anti-government ops back into Venezuela is probably the worst possible scenario I can imagine for Venezuela right now. Of course Colombia would never tolerate rebel camps in their territory in this day and age. . . would it? Squalid fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1089996963364458497?s=21 RIP Venezuela
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I guess its happening again. Sorry Venezuela, you shoulda picked a better place to exist than over all that US Oil.
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Chuck Boone posted:More stuff to look at for the plane nerds: C.M. Kruger posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-idUSKCN1PN1DM
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We will be greeted as liberators and home by Christmas *2027
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I am distracted by that video of an absolute wave of obese soldiers, with Maduro being somehow even more immense than the rest of them.
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Lol the riches of Venezuela are being looted to make gold toilets for Putin.
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meet the new neoliberalism, same as the old neoliberalism!
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I'm looking for some context on an email I was copied on sent by a Venezuelan family friend. I've cut out the personal stuff, but here's a chunk of it:quote:Estoy en caracas sobrevivendo este From what I've picked up in this thread so far, panic about the Cubans has been indicative of a hard right stance. The guy writing this is in his late 70s, which probably also impacts his perspective. I'd appreciate whatever light people can shed on this.
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Socks4Hands posted:I'm looking for some context on an email I was copied on sent by a Venezuelan family friend. I've cut out the personal stuff, but here's a chunk of it: It sounds pretty much the same as Venezuelans have been saying itt, and everywhere else? What are you expecting people to take away. Though I'm curious what he means by the blacklist.
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Discendo Vox posted:I am distracted by that video of an absolute wave of obese soldiers, with Maduro being somehow even more immense than the rest of them. look, you come up with a better way to drive back the reactionary imperialist stooges than by further inflating to intimidate them with your size
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Squalid posted:It sounds pretty much the same as Venezuelans have been saying itt, and everywhere else? What are you expecting people to take away. Though I'm curious what he means by the blacklist. I'm not expecting people to take anything away, but I am hoping somebody could explain more to me about Cuban involvement and the rhetoric around it. No idea about the blacklist, I might see if I can get him to clarify but he doesn't have reliable internet access.
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Socks4Hands posted:I'm not expecting people to take anything away, but I am hoping somebody could explain more to me about Cuban involvement and the rhetoric around it. No idea about the blacklist, I might see if I can get him to clarify but he doesn't have reliable internet access. I think he's referring to members of the military that have been accused of drug trafficking by the US. As far as the Cuban thing goes, it's been the word on the streets for over a decade now 'the Cubans' are the ones pulling the strings behind Chavez, Maduro, and masterminding this whole shitshow. It's probably fair to say that Cuba is pretty involved with the Venezuelan government and they've benefited greatly from Chavismo. However, I think the whole thing is just a way for people to avoid the idea that in the end, it's Venezuelans oppressing, torturing, killing, and starving their own countrymen.
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Labradoodle posted:I think he's referring to members of the military that have been accused of drug trafficking by the US. As far as the Cuban thing goes, it's been the word on the streets for over a decade now 'the Cubans' are the ones pulling the strings behind Chavez, Maduro, and masterminding this whole shitshow. Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for!
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Chomskyan posted:Ah I see, so the CEELA report linked and everything in it is presumed to be fabricated because of an as of now, undemonstrated conflict of interest. I'm fine with that, as long as we're willing to immediately disqualify all US based think tanks / NGOs in the same way. Independent think tank CFELA (Center for Fair Elections in Latin America) agrees with the CEELA analysis: https://www.reddit.com/r/PastaTube/comments/ak1wtu/hello_im_dr_alan_macleod_i_have_studied_venezuela/ef0s31f/ CFELA posted:Our panel of electoral experts agree that the last Venezuelan election was completely real despite opposition politicians who voted at least 10 times each. There were dead people and dogs and people bused in from Columbia voting by the opposition. Opposition tried really hard to cheat and elect third way neoliberal politician but Maduros stomped them fair and square.
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For anyone that still think Maduro should remain in power and there shouldn't be a new election, take two minutes to look at this and tell me how you feel after. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/world/americas/venezuela-children-starving.html These poor,sick, malnourished people deserve so much better than that rear end in a top hat Maduro who is just focused on lining his own pockets and letting the regulars starve. How anyone could defend his rule is mind boggling. patonthebach fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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Typo posted:Independent think tank CFELA (Center for Fair Elections in Latin America) agrees with the CEELA analysis: China is pro-Maduro, I'm disappointed in you, Typo.
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lol i just noticed the callsign for this MAGMA88
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patonthebach posted:For anyone that still think Maduro should remain in power and there shouldn't be a new election, take two minutes to look at this and tell me how you feel after. to be fair I think everybody itt except possibly chomskyan (who also seems to think ppl in this thread are CIA agents so let's ignore him for now) agrees that maduros is bad it's just that they also think anyone who the US recognizes is Pinochet 2.0. So they kinda de facto default into support Maduros. I'm not sure if I agree with their line of logic but it's not an inconsistent one.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:China is pro-Maduro, I'm disappointed in you, Typo. You can be pro-Socialist internationalism while also thinking CEELA is a lovely source to cite lol
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Venezuela: In awe at the size of this presidente Seriously I think that video was actually footage of them moving the 200 tons of gold out of the country
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patonthebach posted:For anyone that still think Maduro should remain in power and there shouldn't be a new election, take two minutes to look at this and tell me how you feel after. You are debating a straw-man. The US government doesn't give a poo poo about starving Venezuelans. It is a near certainty that they will make the situation far worse based on recent examples in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. It calls into question the legitimacy of Guadio willing to align himself with Trump and offer privatization of their oil company in the process. Maduro, Uruguay, and Mexico are willing to negotiate and Guaidó, US, and literal fascist Latin American governments are not. It isn't that Maduro is desirable, it is simply naive to think he would step down and hand the keys over the US. Guadio does not want elections immediately. He stated '6 to 9 months'. His pro-US stance is not going to be very popular in Venezuela. They wouldn't have pulled this stunt just to lose the election again, so I would question the reflexive belief that if Guadio is put into power democracy will be "restored". Like it or not, Maduro and the PSUV have a base of support in the poorest communities in Venezuela who benefited immensely from social programs started under Chavez. Those people could be targeted by the opposition if Maduro and the PSUV simply walk away. It has happened in Latin American countries before during right-wing coups. I think, as an American, the US should just get out of the way rather than the current policy of pushing for a civil war where only the Halliburtons of the world profit. There is also a deeper question of the causes of the economic crisis, but it certainly is not as simple as the fox-news level analysis of 'Socialism and Maduro bad'.
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Party Plane Jones posted:lol i just noticed the callsign for this ...it's not a coincidence that MAG = Make America Great/M and A are the 13th and 1st letters of the alphabet, isn't it loving brazen Nazis
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Typo posted:Independent think tank CFELA (Center for Fair Elections in Latin America) agrees with the CEELA analysis: It's cute how you think you did something here
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Venomous posted:...it's not a coincidence that MAG = Make America Great/M and A are the 13th and 1st letters of the alphabet, isn't it It's a callsign in use for that purpose since at least July 2016.
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Presenting Nipples posted:The US government doesn't give a poo poo about starving Venezuelans. It is a near certainty that they will make the situation far worse based on recent examples in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. It calls into question the legitimacy of Guadio willing to align himself with Trump and offer privatization of their oil company in the process. You know I've noticed several people making comparisons with US policy vis a vis Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. For a number of reasons though I think these places are very poor analogs for what is happening in Venezuela. I think if you took a bit of time to look at the South American examples on this page, you could find several cases that will give you a much better approximation for the probable future of the Venezuelan crisis. Most obviously, Venezuela does not have the kind of deep ethnic, religious, or tribal divisions that have fueled civil wars in the Middle East.
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e: lmao disregard all that, apparently it's been in use by the Air Force since at least 2012 http://mt-milcom.blogspot.com/2012/07/mode-sads-b-blog-logs-12-july-deltona-fl.html apologies for cluttering up the thread
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Typo posted:You can be pro-Socialist internationalism while also thinking CEELA is a lovely source to cite lol fair enough
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Squalid posted:Most obviously, Venezuela does not have the kind of deep ethnic, religious, or tribal divisions that have fueled civil wars in the Middle East. ... Really? Maybe not as bad as the Middle East but... Didn't some black dude get lit on fire???
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Squalid posted:You know I've noticed several people making comparisons with US policy vis a vis Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. For a number of reasons though I think these places are very poor analogs for what is happening in Venezuela. I think if you took a bit of time to look at the South American examples on this page, you could find several cases that will give you a much better approximation for the probable future of the Venezuelan crisis. Most obviously, Venezuela does not have the kind of deep ethnic, religious, or tribal divisions that have fueled civil wars in the Middle East. have some faith in that nice Mr. Abrams, Squalid. he specializes in explaining why once the forest savages still inexplicably loyal to the previous regime have been Tool Time'd, all that prosperity is going to come flowing in like a river just ask the jewel in his crown, noted paragon of stability and non-poverty Guatemala!
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Squalid posted:I think if you took a bit of time to look at the South American examples on this page, you could find several cases that will give you a much better approximation for the probable future of the Venezuelan crisis. . Also, which ones? This one? quote:João Goulart was a proponent of democratic rights, the legalization of the Communist Party, and economic and land reforms, but the US government insisted that he impose a program of economic austerity. The United States government implemented a plan with the code name Operation Brother Sam for the destabilization of Brazil, by cutting off aid to the Brazilian government, providing aid to state governors of Brazil who opposed the new president, and encouraging senior Brazilian military officers to seize power and to back army chief of staff General Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco as coup leader.[107][108] General Branco led the April 1964 overthrow of the constitutionalgovernment of President João Goulart and was installed as first president of the military regime, immediately declaring a state of siege and arresting more than 50,000 political opponents within the first month of seizing power, while the US government expressed approval and re-instituted aid and investment in the country.[109] This one maybe? quote:Torres had displeased Washington by convening an "Asamblea del Pueblo" (People's Assembly or Popular Assembly), in which representatives of specific proletarian sectors of society were represented (miners, unionized teachers, students, peasants), and more generally by leading the country in what was perceived as a left wing direction. Banzer hatched a bloody military uprising starting on August 18, 1971 that succeeded in taking the reigns of power by August 22, 1971. After Banzer took power, the U.S. provided extensive military and other aid to the Banzer dictatorship as Banzer cracked down on freedom of speech and dissent, tortured thousands, "disappeared" and murdered hundreds, and closed labor unions and the universities.[151][152] Torres, who had fled Bolivia, was kidnapped and assassinated in 1976 as part of Operation Condor, the US-supported campaign of political repression and state terrorism by South American right-wing dictators.[153][154][155] That whole link is one atrocity after another pretty much. Or was that the joke? quote:The democratically elected President Salvador Allende was overthrown by the Chilean armed forces and national police. This followed an extended period of social and political unrest between the right dominated Congress of Chile and Allende, as well as economic warfare waged by the U.S. government.[162] As a prelude to the coup, the chief of staff of the Chilean army, René Schneider, a general dedicated to preserving the constitutional order, was assassinated in 1970 during a botched kidnapping attempt backed by the CIA.[163][164]The regime of Augusto Pinochet that came to power with the coup is notable for having, by conservative estimates, disappeared some 3200 political dissidents, imprisoned 30,000 (many of whom were tortured), and forced some 200,000 Chileans into exile.[165][166][167]The CIA, through Project FUBELT (also known as Track II), worked secretly to engineer the conditions for the coup. The U.S. initially denied any involvement however many relevant documents have been declassified in the decades since.[168] COMRADES fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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COMRADES posted:... Really? Maybe not as bad as the Middle East but... Didn't some black dude get lit on fire??? it's tiresome to have to go over this again, but while colorism exists in Venezuela and much of the rest of Latin America, the population of Venezuela is overwhelmingly Mestizo in identity, both within the Chavista and opposition camps. This should be obvious if you ever bothered to look at Venezuelans. Instead of conceptualizing this as an issue of white vs. black, look for media on colorism within the African-American community for a better point of comparison. This article might help you understand better, though I have to stress the comparison is extremely approximate. edit: moved to next post Squalid fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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Squalid posted:it's tiresome to have to go over this again, but while colorism exists in Venezuela and much of the rest of Latin America, the population of Venezuela is overwhelmingly Mestizo in identity, both within the Chavista and opposition camps. This should be obvious if you ever bothered to look at Venezuelans. Instead of conceptualizing this as an issue of white vs. black, look for media on colorism within the African-American community for a better point of comparison. This article might help you understand better, though I have to stress the comparison is extremely approximate. It just kind of a ridiculous assertion on its face that there's 0 strife and everyone gets along considering the state of the country right now. Goddamn you're patronizing lol quote:By May 1983, US officers took over positions in the top levels of the Salvadoran military, were making critical decisions and running the war.[207][208][209][210] A US Congressional fact finding commission found that the Salvadoran military's "drying up the ocean" policy of repression entailed eliminating "entire villages from the map, to isolate the guerrillas, and deny them any rural base off which they can feed."[211] quote:The U.S. government attempted to topple the government of Nicaragua by secretly arming, training and funding the Contras, a militant group based in Honduras that was created to sabotage Nicaragua and to destabilize the Nicaraguan government.[214][215][216][217] As part of the training, the CIA distributed a detailed "terror manual" entitled "Psychological Operations in Guerrilla War," which instructed the Contras, among other things, on how to blow up public buildings, to assassinate judges, to create martyrs, and to blackmail ordinary citizens.[218] In addition to orchestrating the Contras, the U.S. government also blew up bridges and mined Corinto harbor, causing the sinking of several civilian Nicaraguan and foreign ships and many civilian deaths.[219][220][221][222 Which one of these was supposed to be the good outcome? quote:In what the U.S. government called Operation Urgent Fury, the U.S. military invaded the tiny island nation of Grenada to remove the Marxist government of Grenada that the Reagan Administration found objectionable.[226][227] The United Nations General Assembly called the U.S. invasion "a flagrant violation of international law"[228] but a similar resolution widely supported in the United Nations Security Council was vetoed by the U.S.[229][230] COMRADES fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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