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Why is Flygon a ground type. Its pre-evos I understand but isn’t the thing basically a giant dragonfly
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Jan 30, 2019 15:17
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Chieves posted:It doesn't help that just about everything in Gen I was Rock/Ground anyways. that's a bit overdramatic, it was just 3 lines (Onix, Golem and Rhydon)
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Jan 30, 2019 15:21
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All rock types in gen 1 are also ground type.
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Jan 30, 2019 15:23
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Amppelix posted:All rock types in gen 1 are also ground type. Or water type. In either case grass was a guaranteed quad weakness.
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Jan 30, 2019 15:27
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Oh right. forgot about the fossils.
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Jan 30, 2019 15:31
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Chieves posted:It doesn't help that just about everything in Gen I was Rock/Ground anyways. Not really. You had 2 lines of Water/Rock, 1 Rock/Flying, 2 pure ground, 2 Ground/Poison and only 3 Rock/Ground.
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Jan 30, 2019 15:42
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Vegetable posted:Why is Flygon a ground type. Its pre-evos I understand but isn’t the thing basically a giant dragonfly Because making every Dragon part Flying is boring. And it's an adult Antlion.
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Jan 30, 2019 16:16
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The Bee posted:Or water type. In either case grass was a guaranteed quad weakness. Aerodactyl
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Jan 30, 2019 16:22
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why is golurk ground and not rock
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Jan 30, 2019 16:24
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clay is Ground-type, cf. Baltoy/Claydol
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Jan 30, 2019 16:26
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I found the credits in that fishing game from earlier. The character is just designed in a similar art style to the Pokemon games, not actually drawn by the freelance guy. The game seems like an average fishing game and the character is just the player's assistant only appearing in menus.
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Jan 30, 2019 19:32
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Vegetable posted:Why is Flygon a ground type. Its pre-evos I understand but isn’t the thing basically a giant dragonfly I’m cool with it’s current type, but have always wondered why it isn’t Bug since its entire line are insects. You’d think it’d go something like Bug/Ground Trapinch and Vibrava then become Bug/Dragon as Flygon. I guess it keeps the Ground type because it’s associated with the desert and all, but it would probably be more fitting to have the unique combo of Bug/Dragon and swap its ability with something that makes it immune to sandstorms. As it is now, Garchomp totally overshadows it in both of its types statistically and behaviorally. Space Cadet Omoly posted:Ground = Earth stuff attached to the ground. Still seems kind of redundant. A single Earth type would really be much simpler since the two are still really similar. Puls it would avoid the question as why why a thrown bone does nothing to a bird, but a stone of equal mass sends it crashing down, but talking about why immunities make no sense with certain moves would keep us here all day.
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Jan 30, 2019 19:55
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Geostomp posted:Still seems kind of redundant. A single Earth type would really be much simpler since the two are still really similar. Puls it would avoid the question as why why a thrown bone does nothing to a bird, but a stone of equal mass sends it crashing down, but talking about why immunities make no sense with certain moves would keep us here all day. I suspect the interaction with flying is the main reason that the Ground/Rock distinction exists Either earthquakes hit airborne enemies or birds are immune to rocks, take your pick
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Jan 30, 2019 20:29
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Earthquake already hits quite a bunch of airborne mons it shouldn't be able to reach, like Magnezone and Mega Altaria
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Jan 30, 2019 20:34
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galagazombie posted:There's also the problem of Rock vs. Ground. Which I am convinced was born out of some miscommunication during Gen 1's development. While they're not Identical, their type matches are just way too similar to the point they don't feel like they play differently. The problem even continues thematically. There's not a single Pokemon of either type that wouldn't make sense if the types were condensed. If you told someone that Sandslash was Rock or that Stakataka was Ground they wouldn't have cause to doubt you. Dark/Ghost, Rock/Ground, and Grass/Bug are so functionally similar it really does make you wonder, but part of it is simply flavor.
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Jan 30, 2019 22:38
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The Golden Gael posted:Dark/Ghost, Rock/Ground, and Grass/Bug are so functionally similar it really does make you wonder, but part of it is simply flavor. Plants vs bugs is pretty significantly different. They fill radically different niches. And Dark/Ghost doesn't overlap that much. No more than Ghost does with Psychic.
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Jan 30, 2019 23:12
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The Golden Gael posted:Dark/Ghost, Rock/Ground, and Grass/Bug are so functionally similar it really does make you wonder, but part of it is simply flavor. Dark is usually physical, dirty fighting while Ghost has almost all the shadowy "energy" attacks, so they're different enough. It does see some overlap, though with moves like Night Daze. I'm not so sure about Grass and Bug, but that's more because Bug has always been kind of a weird thing to make an entire type around. What makes something "Bug" elemental? At that point, why not toss in Reptile or Mammal as elements? That's not even getting into all the insectoid Pokemon that aren't given the type, but then we'd have to work with all the Grass types that aren't plants at all and that would spiral into endless arguing. That said, I could still see all these pairs be combined into a Shadow, Earth, and Nature type, respectively. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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Jan 30, 2019 23:18
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Zore posted:Plants vs bugs is pretty significantly different. They fill radically different niches. Mechanically, they COMPLETELY overlap. Dark and Ghost both hit only two types super-effectively, and they're the same two types. For the purposes of super-effective coverage, having both a Ghost and a Dark-type attack is completely redundant and that bugs me more than it should. Though I understand the discussion is more about thematics.
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Jan 30, 2019 23:20
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BlazetheInferno posted:Mechanically, they COMPLETELY overlap. Dark and Ghost both hit only two types super-effectively, and they're the same two types. Its not a complete overlap. Normal is immune to Ghost but hit regularly by Dark and Ghost hits Fairy and Fighting.
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Jan 30, 2019 23:24
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Zore posted:Its not a complete overlap. Normal is immune to Ghost but hit regularly by Dark and Ghost hits Fairy and Fighting. I just mean for the purposes of super-effective coverage - if you're looking at what the attacks are WEAK against as well as what they're super-effective against, then there are differences. But it still bugs me that they both hit the same two types super-effectively. If all you're looking at is Super-Effective, the two are offensively the same.
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Jan 30, 2019 23:35
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I always assumed geodude / graveler / golem was rock on the outside, dirt on the inside. I guess I feel that way for the rhyhorn series too.
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Jan 30, 2019 23:45
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BlazetheInferno posted:I just mean for the purposes of super-effective coverage - if you're looking at what the attacks are WEAK against as well as what they're super-effective against, then there are differences. But it still bugs me that they both hit the same two types super-effectively. “They’re exactly the same, as long as you use this one arbitrary metric and ignore others” is not a very good criticism.
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Jan 31, 2019 00:05
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Ariong posted:“They’re exactly the same, as long as you use this one arbitrary metric and ignore others” is not a very good criticism. "this is the way in which they are the same. And I think, fair to say, it's a significant way." better?
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Jan 31, 2019 00:17
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https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee sold 10 million units from launch until December 31st. Ultra Sun and Moon are at 8.28 million. Dehry fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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Jan 31, 2019 08:14
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Dehry posted:https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html Regular Sun and Moon were at 14.69 million in the same timeframe. So they sold better than a third version, not as much as a mainline game. Some of that probably has to do with the Switch not having as much hardware sold as the 3DS though.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:19
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In other words we're definitely getting Let's Go 2. If they do 2nd Gen I wonder what starter they'd use. Marill and Togepi? EDIT: Wobbuffett and Dunsparce RatHat fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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Jan 31, 2019 08:23
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RatHat posted:In other words we're definitely getting Let's Go 2. If they do 2nd Gen I wonder what starter they'd use. Marill and Togepi?
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Jan 31, 2019 08:31
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I think it'd probably be something like; Gen II: Marrill and Togepi Gen III: Ralts(or Gardevoir?) and Absol Gen IV: Lucario and Munchlax Gen V: Zorua and Scraggy Gen VI: Goomy and Inkay Gen VII: Mimikyu and Rockruff I'm a little iffy on Scraggy and Inkay but confident about the rest.
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Jan 31, 2019 08:41
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Zore posted:I think it'd probably be something like; http://www.colonsemicolon.com
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Jan 31, 2019 08:44
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eevee and unown
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Jan 31, 2019 08:45
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Zore posted:I think it'd probably be something like; I'm not sure how big Scraggy is actually but I don't give a gently caress he's awesome and deserves the cover
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Jan 31, 2019 08:49
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less laughter posted:Common and Semicolon The unowns were already unimaginative
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Jan 31, 2019 08:55
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Zore posted:I think it'd probably be something like; Does mean I'll never get Lets Go: Bidoof?
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Jan 31, 2019 08:59
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The White Dragon posted:eevee and unown Unown and Unown.
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Jan 31, 2019 09:01
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:I like most of these but you seem to have accidentally selected some big boys that can't fit comfortably on the head or shoulder. I think that's gotta be a dealbreaker. Clearly it's the best possible excuse to finally let us play a big buff character that can easily carry a big Pokemon.
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Jan 31, 2019 14:34
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galagazombie posted:There's also the problem of Rock vs. Ground. Which I am convinced was born out of some miscommunication during Gen 1's development. While they're not Identical, their type matches are just way too similar to the point they don't feel like they play differently. The problem even continues thematically. There's not a single Pokemon of either type that wouldn't make sense if the types were condensed. If you told someone that Sandslash was Rock or that Stakataka was Ground they wouldn't have cause to doubt you. Something like this is probably pretty likely. It seems as though stuff like Dragon types and dual types were added late in development, which is why you get weird bugs for the super effective prompt, why missigno has a bird type move, why almost every grass type also seems to be poison type, etc
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Jan 31, 2019 19:28
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Straight White Shark posted:I suspect the interaction with flying is the main reason that the Ground/Rock distinction exists They should split it down like physical/special, so moves like bonemerang actually hit flying types, moves like earthquake continue to miss flying types.
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Jan 31, 2019 19:46
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That seems way more complicated than rock and ground just being separate types.
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Jan 31, 2019 20:27
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WrightOfWay posted:That seems way more complicated than rock and ground just being separate types. Yeah, true, the game is already complex enough as is.
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