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xtal posted:Because it's a reflection of society? Were you here complaining that the previous discussion should be in the reactionary thread? It's a reflection of attitudes in this particular forum, but it's a stretch to say it's a reflection of Canadian society in general.
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It’d be fun to discuss municipal/provincial/federal political goings on in Canada without getting into academic wank fests about ~class struggle~ in general but that’s too much to ask from this particular subforum I guess.
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Jan 30, 2019 00:00
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A more equal society where lovely jobs aren't done through threat of starvation or homelessness would actually have a big incentive to automate those jobs or make them more safe/pleasant. A lovely physically grueling single job gets turned into 2 jobs where the two people work at a more chill and safe pace. When you can't force a migrant to pick your fruit for $5 an hour suddenly automation becomes much more attractive. Some things that were previously cheap will become more scarce, some things that were previously reserved for the elite will become much more available. Society would change, values and motivations would change.
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Jan 30, 2019 00:05
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I’ll fully cop to the fact that I got duped. The day after the election I watched this young dude, who just won the PMO by sprinting to the left, walk around a train station in his MP riding and shake hands with people who voted for him. I was pretty excited! Since that moment it’s just been an avalanche of pussy bullshit, half measures, means testing, entrenchment of FPTP, having snuggles with Jair, triangulating us to within an inch of our lives. If there’s enough reactionary energy out there to unseat him with a platform focussed on brown hordes murdering old stock Canadians fine, whatever. We earned it, I guess, by not being an electorate scary enough to convince centrists to follow through on left policies.
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priznat posted:It’d be fun to discuss municipal/provincial/federal political goings on in Canada without getting into academic wank fests about ~class struggle~ in general but that’s too much to ask from this particular subforum I guess. Nobody's stopping you from discussing that, my dude.
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Jan 30, 2019 00:22
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TheCenturion posted:But is all labour truly equal? Are some forms of labour inherently more valuable to society than others? They’re not but are you going to tell me there’s any single person on this planet legitimately worth 100 or even 10,000 like capitalism says they are now?
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Jan 30, 2019 00:25
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Postess with the Mostest posted:jk rowling wrote harry potter novels for zero labour tokens. Then she released them and some people were willing to give her $10 for the wonderful experience of reading one so she wrote more. Then a lot of people started giving her $10 and now she's got a billion dollars after paying her taxes and enriching the lives of millions of people and didn't pillage the planet to do it because some labour is more valuable than others and that's ok. she didn't know how many people were going to buy them when she set out but nobody was coerced or tricked, all parties considered it an agreeable transaction, what's the problem with billionaires? If Billionaires didn’t live well beyond the earth’s capacity to support the average person and they stayed the gently caress out of politics forever? Probably nothing. But they do neither of those things.
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Jan 30, 2019 00:31
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TheKingofSprings posted:They’re not but are you going to tell me there’s any single person on this planet legitimately worth 100 or even 10,000 like capitalism says they are now? What's the least valuable job? Some jobs are a net negative like spammers or video game youtuber, so I'd argue some labor is infinitely more valuable.
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Jan 30, 2019 00:34
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Postess with the Mostest posted:What's the least valuable job? Some jobs are a net negative like spammers or video game youtuber, so I'd argue some labor is infinitely more valuable. The guards at your specific gulag are gonna get double vodka rations because keeping you from posting is just that valuable to society.
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Jan 30, 2019 00:37
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Holy poo poo, guys. "Duh, you just gonna pay everybody the same?" is not the gotcha moment against socialism you think it is. Please google "Socially-necessary labour time".
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Here's a local issue, a pretty decent taxi service in Montreal has shut down after operating 3 years: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/teo-taxi-fires-400-drivers-future-of-the-company-to-be-revealed-tuesday quote:Téo launched with a different business model than traditional taxi companies. Using solely electric cars, the company was powered by an Uber-like mobile application that allowed customers to see on a map where their drivers were. It sucks that a low carbon transport service, that didn't gently caress over it's workers, ended up having to declare bankrupcy and gently caress over it's workers. I'm sad to see it go, it was a good service, even if I only occasionally had need of them.
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Jan 30, 2019 01:13
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Turns out it's hard to compete with both entrenched industry and upstarts that externalize their costs to their drivers and undercut everything with massive VC funded subsidies. TBH 3 years is a pretty good run considering. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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Jan 30, 2019 01:19
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infernal machines posted:https://twitter.com/AndrewScheer/status/1090316193884442624 He snuck in a weak “thoughts and prayers” condolence tweet for the anniversary of the mosque shooting in between his manufactured outrage over Omar Khadr. What a scumbag. And Bernier thought the party wasn’t racist enough?
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Yellow Ant posted:He snuck in a weak “thoughts and prayers” condolence tweet for the anniversary of the mosque shooting in between his manufactured outrage over Omar Khadr. What a scumbag. And Bernier thought the party wasn’t racist enough? Social media coordinator is just a reddit nephew, what a surprise.
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Jan 30, 2019 02:02
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gently caress Andrew Scheer.
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Vintersorg posted:gently caress Andrew Scheer. Your alt-right suburban dad
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time to give these pasty doughboys the beating of a lifetime
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Vintersorg posted:gently caress Andrew Scheer. Eight-year old trapped in a twelve-year old's body being interviewed by a failed Toronto mayoral candidate.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Eight-year old trapped in a twelve-year old's body being interviewed by a failed Toronto mayoral candidate. Nazis of ein feather, flock together.
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Yellow Ant posted:He snuck in a weak “thoughts and prayers” condolence tweet for the anniversary of the mosque shooting in between his manufactured outrage over Omar Khadr. What a scumbag. And Bernier thought the party wasn’t racist enough? I recently checked up on the survivors from the mosque shooting including the guy who couldn't walk again and was struggling with zero support after what rehabilitation was covered and people raised $400k for him to get an electric wheelchair and an accessible home. 
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quote:And Bernier thought the party wasn’t racist enough? How are you going to attract the really hardcore racists if you insist on using dogwhistles, I ask you?
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StoicRomance posted:I’ll fully cop to the fact that I got duped. The day after the election I watched this young dude, who just won the PMO by sprinting to the left, walk around a train station in his MP riding and shake hands with people who voted for him. I was pretty excited! Lot of us did, don't sweat it. It's not a bad thing to be cautiously optimistic now and then when it comes to politics. Probably good for your mental health to keep a bit of hope alive now and then. Maybe one day it will actually be justified. 
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Dreylad posted:I recently checked up on the survivors from the mosque shooting including the guy who couldn't walk again and was struggling with zero support after what rehabilitation was covered and people raised $400k for him to get an electric wheelchair and an accessible home. Thats an amazing story. Its heart warming
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Syfe posted:I believe that if you take 8 hours out of your day to goto work and work hard while you're there. It doesn't matter what you do, you deserve a living wage and to not have to worry about a second job to support or anything like that. I agree. However, I'm responding to the 'one hour of work = 1 credit' idea. So Bob can make fifty bricks an hour, and does so, for eight hours. He gets 8 labour credits. Bill is lazy, so he makes five bricks an hour. He also gets....8 labour credits? Meanwhile, Marvin invents a machine that can produce five hundred bricks an hour. He gets....one labour credit per hour he works on the machine, then nothing? And who even defines 'labour?' Who defines what 'work' qualifies for credits? I fail to see how this system makes sense. It seems to me like it would incentivize lowest-possible output.
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TheCenturion posted:I agree. However, I'm responding to the 'one hour of work = 1 credit' idea. Personally it's a lot more fun to design the machines that lift bricks than it is to lift bricks most of the time
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You realise man, that you're saying that certain people are just naturally better than us, and can decide how to adequately reward people for their work. However, all of us normal, acting together and working cooperatively, wouldn't be able to do that. We're just too stupid to figure out ways that people doing extremely valuable work would be rewarded for it. Communism is different than socialism, people, and it would only be able to exist if people were different, both in their capabilities for work, and their desires for the rewards for it. In the meantime, we can agree on suitable rewards.
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TheCenturion posted:I agree. However, I'm responding to the 'one hour of work = 1 credit' idea. I don't spend very much time thinking about how a hypothetical communist society would work, but I expect a full-throated communist would probably give you an answer like "that's because capitalism has taught us to arrange our lives around receiving the most output for the least input, and under communism people would be more invested in the outcome of their entire society and so would be less lazy". In practice I'm not certain it's worked out like that in the examples we have of attempted communism so far, but I admire that level of belief in the malleability of human nature. patonthebach posted:No one would show up to repair your roof in this scenario. Or do landscaping. Or work in a mine. Or work on towers. Great point! That's exactly why in our great capitalist system we pay undesirable jobs like janitors and the children who strip our e-waste for precious metals more than desirable jobs like CEO and investment banker. That's why the migrant labourers who pick our produce get paid more than the farmers who employ them, and the TFWs staffing our Tim Hortons get paid more than the franchise owners. It's a wonderful system. priznat posted:It’d be fun to discuss municipal/provincial/federal political goings on in Canada without getting into academic wank fests about ~class struggle~ in general but that’s too much to ask from this particular subforum I guess. This thread doubles as both the thread where we discuss Canadian politics and the thread where Canadians discuss all politics, and it's been that way pretty much as long as it's existed.
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vyelkin posted:This thread doubles as both the thread where we discuss Canadian politics and the thread where Canadians discuss all politics, and it's been that way pretty much as long as it's existed. Yeah I don't really dig why people have beef with stuff like that. It's not like we are paying per post here. Post about what you want, and if nobody cares they can just scroll past it. Like as a BC'er I don't really give a gently caress about Ontario politics, but a lot of people who live there obviously do, so I just skip on by. And laugh sometimes, cause you guys done hosed up pretty good.
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The Butcher posted:And laugh sometimes, cause you guys done hosed up pretty good. Just wait until tomorrow when the noble citizens of Nanaimo gently caress our poo poo up real good, friend  though I still think the NDP will win the by-election sitchensis fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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sitchensis posted:Just wait until tomorrow when the noble citizens of Nanaimo gently caress our poo poo up real good, friend Fingers crossed. Life can come at you fast though. I wouldn't place a bet on this one even if I could. Who loving knows where it lands between general apathy, the endless depths of boomer spite, and lovely polling.
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The Butcher posted:Fingers crossed. Life can come at you fast though. After the furor over tent city (and the continued furor over the temporary housing) I think the Liberals have a great shot at winning.
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Re-upping this. Good dive into these folks without having to burn your soul scrolling through their FB.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Eight-year old trapped in a twelve-year old's body being interviewed by
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Fell behind like 30 pages on this thread and what a welcome back THIS page has been.. Question.. How the gently caress is Andrew "wouldn't leave a child alone with him" Scheer actively tweeting content from Alt-Right Reddit not like a major news story? What the gently caress? Has anyone forwarded this poo poo to any reporters? Edit: I mean there was the odd story written like a year ago about it but I'm talking loving American style "BREAKING: Andrew Scheer does another indefensible racist thing" followed by breakdown of every other nazi things he's had his nose in all these years. Why not do? Edit edit: lol nothing matters Math You fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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Breaking: CHUDly dad retweets Reddit memes! It's not surprising given a bunch of his campaign staff are direct from Rebel Media, which has been reported on and since fallen out of the news. This probably isn't sensational enough to catch any attention.
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Math You posted:Fell behind like 30 pages on this thread and what a welcome back THIS page has been.. Why would reporters focus on a small time opposition leader, when they could instead legitimize the largest alt right populist movement to date by giving them continuous, complacent coverage like "they're just like the French yellow vests, except  allegedly more racist"?
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https://vancouversun.com/news/canad...ca-d54b16258297quote:The Liberal Party of Canada is refusing to release details of a fundraiser held by MP Raj Grewal that amassed hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time Grewal was struggling with millions in gambling debts. 
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Who among us has not needed a fundraiser to settle a half million dollar gambling debt? Who among us, with that debt in our lives, hasn’t been pegged as a potential leader of the country?
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StoicRomance posted:Who among us has not needed a fundraiser to settle a half million dollar gambling debt? Who among us, with that debt in our lives, hasn’t been pegged as a potential leader of the country? If you throw a fundraiser to cover your gambling debt, but you're not sure if the fundraiser will raise the needed funds, is that gambling?
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