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luxury handset posted:state governments have a huge amount of power when it comes to "economic development". if the governor of State wants to give billions of dollars to a private organization in exchange for a unicorn fart factory then they can go ahead and do that and it is up to the voters of the state to put elected officials in place who will pass laws against this sort of thing, like an oversight board or some sort of watchdog regulatory agency Artonos posted:Scott appointed almost everyone to that oversight council in Wisconsin. The gop state legislature removed evers power to appoint people to the WEDC in the lame duck period. Well, I'd argue that the vast majority of voters and taxpayers don't know how a candidate will act when given a situation like this and that the choices get made without any accountability and without voters getting a real say. When these things get written up, is there anything preventing the lawyers from putting in bad faith clauses and restrictions on how the money is spent to prevent this sort of thievery? Why can't a state government be forced to get approval for these deals through referendums whenever they exceed some defined amount of taxpayer dollars? Or perhaps have a federal branch of government that cases like this can be brought to so we can "get the money back" from a company doing this sort of thing through specific taxes/tariffs on the company's market access? I admit I'm just spitballing and know next to nothing about this sort of stuff but there must be a way to prevent this other than "don't vote for dipshit and you won't have your money given to señor snake oil". I appreciate the explanations, fellas.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1090639477809336320 I drive a bus and we all make the same hourly rate but some guys work longer crews or do a lot more overtime so we are always comparing our salaries, especially towards the end of the year. It is just habit that I have generally curbed when not at work. Now that I think about it, it is pretty great because it really makes it seem like a team effort out on the streets and I know that there is potential for some great earnings if I want them.
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ELO Musk posted:When these things get written up, is there anything preventing the lawyers from putting in bad faith clauses and restrictions on how the money is spent to prevent this sort of thievery? Why can't a state government be forced to get approval for these deals through referendums whenever they exceed some defined amount of taxpayer dollars? all this stuff is possible so long as a state has laws to put them into place and enforces them instead of becoming corrupt/desperate fed oversight is less likely tho because due to the 10th amendment there is a pretty clear line about what the federal government can and can't do regarding state autonomy, and much of the federal government expansion of the twentieth century has been finding clever ways to loophole past the 10th
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ELO Musk posted:Well, I'd argue that the vast majority of voters and taxpayers don't know how a candidate will act when given a situation like this and that the choices get made without any accountability and without voters getting a real say. When these things get written up, is there anything preventing the lawyers from putting in bad faith clauses and restrictions on how the money is spent to prevent this sort of thievery? Why can't a state government be forced to get approval for these deals through referendums whenever they exceed some defined amount of taxpayer dollars? Or perhaps have a federal branch of government that cases like this can be brought to so we can "get the money back" from a company doing this sort of thing through specific taxes/tariffs on the company's market access? All of that stuff could be put in the contract but then the company wouldn't sign it and then how would Scott Walker get his kickback
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ELO Musk posted:Well, I'd argue that the vast majority of voters and taxpayers don't know how a candidate will act when given a situation like this and that the choices get made without any accountability and without voters getting a real say. When these things get written up, is there anything preventing the lawyers from putting in bad faith clauses and restrictions on how the money is spent to prevent this sort of thievery? Why can't a state government be forced to get approval for these deals through referendums whenever they exceed some defined amount of taxpayer dollars? Or perhaps have a federal branch of government that cases like this can be brought to so we can "get the money back" from a company doing this sort of thing through specific taxes/tariffs on the company's market access? To be clear I'm not an expert by any means. I've only read this stuff bc of foxconn over the last couple years. There are some clawbacks. They didn't employ 260 people like they were supposed to by 2018 so they didn't get their full payment. I think they are guaranteed a certain amount no matter what that is a bit more than a billion. And they get more for hitting certain marks. I'll bet they hit some marks just to get the payments. This doesn't bode well for them being here in the long term. And meanwhile Wisconsin funds are going towards infrastructure for water, eminent domain of people's land, highway construction etc for a plant that won't exist in the form that was originally promised. I'd also note that this is foxconn's go to strategy. I believe they did something similar to both Brazil and pennsylvania (maybe, can't quite remember which state?)
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https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/1089924378874298368 We really are in the dumbest version of a cyberpunk dystopia
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Loyalty means nothing. The most significant pay raise you'll get is by going to another company and negotiating a better salary from the start.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/1089924378874298368 This is old, Wal Mart and others already do this, and companies pay them to do so. Auto parts stores monitor car sales figures and parts purchases to figure out how to stock distribution centers the same way.
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For some reason, I find Schultz being able to claw breathless wall-to-wall coverage for himself by doing nothing other than standing in front of a microphone and going "Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrhhhhhhhh. Uh Politics I guess" for a couple of hours to be a more damning indictment of how this country worships wealth than anything else.
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CommieGIR posted:This is okd, Wal Mart and others already do this, and companies pay them to do so. Lol they get around bans on facial reconition this way: quote:Crucially, the “Cooler Screens” system does not use facial recognition. Shoppers aren’t identified when the fridge cameras scan their face. Instead, the cameras analyze faces to make inferences about shoppers’ age and gender. First, the camera takes their picture, which an AI system will measure and analyze, say, the width of someone’s eyes, the distance between their lips and nose, and other micro measurements. From there, the system can estimate if the person who opened the door is, say, a woman in her early 20s or a male in his late 50s. It’s analysis, not recognition. That is what makes this so dumb. It is corporations skirting the law through bullshit.
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Asema posted:Loyalty means nothing. The most significant pay raise you'll get is by going to another company and negotiating a better salary from the start. If you start your own business you can give yourself whatever raise you want. 
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/1089924378874298368 This is all Piggly Wiggly's fault
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mcmagic posted:Watched the Schultz interview on MSNBC. What a loving dullard. Yeah seriously everything he says is stupid or some form of non answer. At this point I'm fairly confident he's only getting super far right Democrats and Never Trumpers that wouldn't vote for even Harris anyway (who on Earth watches this dork and switches?) so his effect wouldn't be huge. It's not a variable I want to worry about so I hope his attempts to blackmail the Democrats into nominating Biden or whoever fails and he slinks away after his book tour. Getting repeatedly heckled by the plebs can't feel good to a dude that is used to having everyone around him lick his rear end and call it ice cream. Even Trump didn't get this much free press until he actually started running and this guy is publicly running on his own personal taxes and nothing else. The media is a joke.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:For us older folks, "salary = self worth" is so heavily ingrained that admitting your salary and risking discovering that you're underpaid relative to co-workers can be a source of shame / embarassment / etc. The meritocracy myth. Intellectually I know it's bullshit but still it's an effect -- "if you're so smart why aren't you rich?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbU4VRs2rro
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The notion that anyone is launching an independent bid 21 months before election day is the joke. Schultz will never follow through, but he probably sold a couple more copies of his book and no one had to think about any of the policies that actual presidential candidates are proposing.
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Tayter Swift posted:125% tax on all income over $44,100. Call it the Nyquist Limit Tax. OMG, I got that at once. (I have a patent in digital audio for the 1-bit oversampled DAC).
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Mahoning posted:I'd like to give you a laurel Now someone's gonna have to go back and get a poo poo load of dimes
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Asema posted:Loyalty means nothing. The most significant pay raise you'll get is by going to another company and negotiating a better salary from the start. A reckoning is absolutely coming, and it will facilitated simply by data being widely available.
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DandyLion posted:Wouldn't it just be easier for Wisconsin to just pay these big corporations carte blanche without any expectation of reciprocation? Seems it would require less 'tap dancing' after the fact.... It's not the destination but the journey
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Raenir Salazar posted:The Token Republican (and is a lawyer) in my social circle is asking "How" can Congress end gerrymandering. The simple answer would be to vastly increase the number of representatives in the House. Like double or triple the number. It not only becomes much more difficult to gerrymander when you have so many districts, but it also helps balance out the power of the Senate in the Electoral College.
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Well I dunno about you, but I am shocked, just shocked. Now you know why Donny eats McDonald's and not Trump brand dog poo poo
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/1089924378874298368 Okay I understand the concern here, but what happens if you have a robot sales clerk? Would it be okay to do facial recognition as long as the robot doesn't transmit that data to HQ?
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1090639477809336320 Oh yes, I've worked for places where this was a disciplinary level act. Write ups and/or suspension. Who am I kidding, I work for one of those places now. No one can discuss their raises, pay rates, or even bonuses they might earn. Technically I don't even know my pay rate because the shop went electronic paycheck and the website they use doesn't have a password recovery option
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Raenir Salazar posted:doesn't transmit that data to HQ?
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Raenir Salazar posted:My game testing job it was most definitely taboo to discuss pay with each other and probably would've been let go if anyone made a big issue of it. In the early days of the game business (1980's) play testing and customer support jobs would lead to associate producers jobs, then full producer jobs etc. Heck one of my co-workers/friends started out at EA's Warehouse and ended up at one point as the CEO of SOE. Me? I started as a playtester in 1979 (yeah, I'm old) and eventually ended up at the CxO level. The industry lost when it dropped this idea. Nothing makes you care about product quality as much as testing and customer support.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Okay I understand the concern here, but what happens if you have a robot sales clerk? Would it be okay to do facial recognition as long as the robot doesn't transmit that data to HQ? Why would it be needed? Is a robot sales clerk just an automated self checkout? I don't feel like you would need facial recognition to activate / use it, unless you wanted it to go full uncanny valley and have it address and interact with you. In which case, please, god no, never.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Is this going to be the first time in history two countries with a mcdonalds go to war? Kosovo war, afaik.
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So how cold are USPOL goons today? It's 58 degrees in LA, I'm shivering!
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VideoGameVet posted:In the early days of the game business (1980's) play testing and customer support jobs would lead to associate producers jobs, then full producer jobs etc. I did this in the late aughts (from QA tester up to full producer), so it still happens but certainly a lot more infrequently than it used to I'd wager.
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KickerOfMice posted:Well, that came outta nowhere. I refuse to acknowledge Weezer past Pinkerton.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/1089924378874298368 C'mon man, we need to know whether that dude buying a bottle of Coke was smiling or not. It's a matter of national security
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Mummy Xzibit posted:So how cold are USPOL goons today? It's 58 degrees in LA, I'm shivering! 34 (apparently feels like 26) in Baltimore. Ice everywhere, but it's sunny and there's not a lot of wind, so it's not too bad at all.
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friendbot2000 posted:Lol they get around bans on facial reconition this way: god drat but do they love re-inventing phrenology over and over don't they
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Rip Testes posted:Where does Trump get his intelligence that contradicts his own intelligence community which he considers idiots? What separate state intelligence gathering apparatus does he rely on?
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Crow Jane posted:34 (apparently feels like 26) in Baltimore. Ice everywhere, but it's sunny and there's not a lot of wind, so it's not too bad at all. -2 here in MI, with a windchill up to -45. Could really use sum o dat global warming right about now, hurr
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Raenir Salazar posted:Okay I understand the concern here, but what happens if you have a robot sales clerk? Would it be okay to do facial recognition as long as the robot doesn't transmit that data to HQ? No. Leave me alone.
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Crow Jane posted:34 (apparently feels like 26) in Baltimore. Ice everywhere, but it's sunny and there's not a lot of wind, so it's not too bad at all. 35 but feeling like 52 here. Oh those were temperatures.
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Crow Jane posted:34 (apparently feels like 26) in Baltimore. Ice everywhere, but it's sunny and there's not a lot of wind, so it's not too bad at all. 4F in Louisville with wind chill of -21F. Even with my seat warmer on my farts were icing the leather.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1090639477809336320 It's also that as of IIRC 1994 it's illegal in the US to make it a policy that you can't tell someone else your salary, but most companies will still have it in their employment agreement and it's like an entry level thing you often get told to never do. Lots of people just never connect the dots as to why it's better for the employees to all know. And companies will absolutely try to let you go for whatever other bullshit reason if you try to push it since they realize the inevitable result of it is folks realizing the company is screwing them.
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Raenir Salazar posted:My game testing job it was most definitely taboo to discuss pay with each other and probably would've been let go if anyone made a big issue of it.  I test boring, niche industry-specific software. But at my company, every job has several seniority ranks, and every seniority rank has a range of salary compensation which is not a secret (I'm not sure if it's "public" per se but we can find out internally). Within your rank, you might be making a bit more or less than your coworkers, but no one is getting screwed. Bonuses once a year for everyone across the board, raises twice a year that are independent of your annual review, and the salaries are generous to start with. Also health care premiums are 100% paid. The reason for all of this is that is a co-op. The customers are the members are the owners .... so there are no highly paid corporate executives getting rich off the profits while screwing everyone else. It's not exactly socialism, but it's a hell of a lot better than your typical public or private corporation. The only downside is all my co-workers are spoiled rotten by this system and have no idea how badly other people get screwed. So ... I am surrounded by Republicans.
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